Tagging both operators and participants of Ponzi schemes is extremely effective

[cryptodevil]

What is the difference between this and if i deposit some coins in a casino and make review for that (in their thread).

Let me make this *real* fucking simple for you. It appears you need it to be.

A Casino makes money by accepting bets based on games of chance and probability.

A Ponzi scheme does not make any money, it steals it from later users and shares it with the earlier collaborators as a reward for helping the scam function.

How could we ever know that the person is shilling or is an actual investor

It doesn't matter. Both play their part in helping the scam to work.

The fact the 'investor' wishes to profit from the theft of money from later participants means he is provably untrustworthy.

Care to try and counter that?

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[mexxer-2]

Care to try and counter that?

I'm waiting for him to come up with another real life implication to derail the thread

[Quickseller]

What is the final purpose of a ponzi schemes ? I think all we know the history or not ?

Their purpose? To make money for the owners? like any other business

Ok , thanks for the information. So in this case all the ponzi schemes are legit , no problem.

Not all. Are all the dice sites legit?

Let me break it down for everyone:

Argument #1: Ponzi sites are illegal
So are gambling websites that don't have the proper gambling licenses.
So are Bitcoin exchanges that do not have the proper money transmitter licenses or AML procedures.
So are lenders that don't abide by payday loan laws.
So are public performances of the song "Happy birthday to you" which is copyrighted by Warner/Chappell Music.

Argument #2: All ponzi sites are a scam

If the ponzi site fulfills their side of the deal and does exactly what they promise and both parties are willingly trading, where did the scam occur?

Argument #3: Ponzi's should be banned because they make Bitcoin look "bad"
Instead of banning ponzi's, why don't we make things a bit better and form a mining cartel, make a blacklist of bitcoin addresses known to be used by ponzi sites and never confirm any ponzi site payments?

 

The general ethos of Bitcoin is for free market trade and against regulation. How can you actually believe that and at the same time be trying to ban people from using Bitcoin because it makes Bitcoin look bad?

Argument #4: Most ponzi sites aren't provably fair so they are scams
There is probably a way to make ponzi sites provably fair using tx scripts. But if ponzi sites are a scam due to the lack of provably fair, then so are all gambling sites that don't have provably fair, such as poker sites and sportsbook websites.

Argument #5: Ponzi's arent entertainment
People have different opinions on what entertainment is. It may not be entertaining for you, but I'm sure its entertaining for others.

Argument #6: Ponzi's are scams because people will lose money
There will always be people who lose money on any gambling website. Otherwise the website would be losing money.

Thats all the arguments I can think of right now.

[Heutenamos]

Care to try and counter that?

I think it is not worth the time.You certainly don't understand anything in my post.

[cryptodevil]

... Rambling Red Herring and Strawman fallacies...

Which part of, "A Ponzi scheme does not make any money, it steals it from later users and shares it with the earlier collaborators as a reward for helping the scam function." confuses you?

Which part of, "The fact the 'investor' wishes to profit from the theft of money from later participants means he is provably untrustworthy." is difficult for you to comprehend?

I think it is not worth the time.You certainly don't understand anything in my post.

Ooooh, burrrrrn! You sure showed me!

[mexxer-2]

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Read the first two and the last two pages, didn't it, in the end, shift from "Blazr defending the ponzis" to "people agreeing that the negative trust was 'good'"?

[Orayt]

so TS is giving negative trust to ponzi participants because it is like showing support to the ponzi right? if that is the case TS should also give theymos negative trust for creating that section specially for ponzis

[mexxer-2]

so TS is giving negative trust to ponzi participants because it is like showing support to the ponzi right? if that is the case TS should also give theymos negative trust for creating that section specially for ponzis

Let me talk to you in your language: Your argument is horse-shit

Edit: Who is TS anyway?

[Heutenamos]

I think it is not worth the time.You certainly don't understand anything in my post.

Ooooh, burrrrrn! You sure showed me!

I am burned ,yes.Convinced ? But that still doesn't explains that you cannot read posts when posting from alt's ?

understand the post and give me a chance to reply  

so TS is giving negative trust to ponzi participants because it is like showing support to the ponzi right? if that is the case TS should also give theymos negative trust for creating that section specially for ponzis

Pilot cannot be that dousche ?

[cryptodevil]

you cannot read posts when posting from alt's ?

I literally have no idea what that means.

understand the post and give me a chance to reply  

What is the difference between this and if i deposit some coins in a casino and make review for that (in their thread).

How could we ever know that the person is shilling or is an actual investor unless they are continuously supporting it for months.However, I think you are doing this since years then why open up a thread now ? you,vod,Doo and some others are already doing this.

Yeah, I'm reading it again, in order to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm not seeing what you think is being misunderstood here.

You tried comparing playing in a Casino to participating in a Ponzi and I pointed out how that was a false equivalence.

Are there words in your post I'm not seeing, perhaps? Do I need special glasses to make them appear and turn it into some magically profound prose of great wisdom?

[Heutenamos]

I literally have no idea what that means.

Then get the Fucking Fucking Fucking Idea and stop saying "fucking" in every post of your's cause the other guy can type the same and as many Fucking Fucking times as he wants.You made a thread  ? you want to discuss ? you have something to say ? then better say it Right.

to give you the benefit of the doubt.

No you dont.You just speak your points ,your motives,opinions and let people discuss and do the same ...cause this is not your Kingdom and you don't fucking have a Militia standing behind you,you just behind this fucking forum score's (green or red not a big difference to me) and if you have any Idea or Identity or any fucking thing to say then say it loud but keep it right and Logical.

I'm not seeing what you think is being misunderstood here.

Everything cannot be seen.

You tried comparing playing in a Casino to participating in a Ponzi and I pointed out how that was a false equivalence.

Yes,I compared it with which casino's ? maybe the one which Dooglus was promoting in his signature ,Remember ? which scammed users and skipped Nonce in between and particularly with HR's.Why didn't you tagged them before ? I suppose you were lacking proof's ?

Now , how many mining farms or offices have you visited and researched so that you know for sure that what you are tagging is going to scam ? So, this is just basing on facts of other company scam's ? and because the site has similar layout and design you assume it will scam.Fucking Fucking Nice.

If i have some cents to waste and i like Risks.Hence i will invest those cents in some clone website(for fast gains) and i get the profits in a week with very pleasing service and feedback from their staff,I am happy.What is wrong if i say that in their thread ? what is wrong if i say that i was treated well ? You cannot force anyone to not do anything which you don't like or have your doubts on,It's your problem to prove and i appreciate your efforts if you do it and will also thank you that i didn't invested the second time

Your point might be valid after their collapse or failure of service , Like ? Scrypt.cc,No service at all,still running and people crying or Ore-Mine.

Are there words in your post I'm not seeing

Everything cannot be seen,that is why you have 5 senses and a Brain

[cryptodevil]

I literally have no idea what that means.

Then get the Fucking Fucking Fucking Idea and stop saying "fucking" in every post of your's cause the other guy can type the same and as many Fucking Fucking times as he wants.You made a thread  ? you want to discuss ? you have something to say ? then better say it Right.

Ohhhhhh, just another empty tone complaint? Fuck you.

...fnurble...

Wow, you and Quickscammer should get together and write a thesis on how similarly you both utterly fail to make an objective argument. It's almost like you're the same person.

If you can't counter the fact that participation in a ponzi is DEMONSTRABLY proving that you don't give a shit where you steal your profit from, then fapping on and on about irrelevance, hearsay and unsubstantiated nonsense is just proving that all you've got in your locker is distraction and deflection.

[Heutenamos]

another empty tone complaint?

You still trapped there ? This is not your court and no one is complaining. You made a thread and i made my post with my point of views.

Fuck you.

I am not thinking on how to retaliate 

It's almost like you're the same person.

Do something other than throwing shit, Like ? speaking with facts and not judgments , likes or your fucking fucking fucking fucking believes you asshole.

[cryptodevil]

You made a thread and i made my post with my point of views.

Which I duly showed to be the false equivalence that it was and you, erm, I think you tried to claim there was something more to your post but I'm still waiting on exactly what else you believe it contained other than your poorly-conceived opinion.

Troll, You go with the Color's and I go with the Morals.

Colour's what? I see you suffer from the same possessive apostrophe addiction that QS does. Funny that.

[Jet Cash]

Wow! The way this thread has changed illustrates the collateral damage that can come from Ponzi schemes.
 Ban ponzis and improve posting quality.

[cryptodevil]

Yeah, as I said, some people have a dog in the fight through the selling of forum accounts to scammers who want to use them as supporting socks. So, you know, it is understandable that there'll be a little thrashing around through the initial pain.

Eventually they'll get used to it. It's not like they're capable of forming a reasonable argument as is clearly evidenced throughout this thread.

[mexxer-2]

Eventually they'll get used to it. It's not like they're capable of forming a reasonable argument as is clearly evidenced throughout this thread.

If its the argument from the same users who have been opposing pretty much any DT action you're looking for, expect trolling, unrealistic real life comparison and a few derailing the thread along the way.

The only good argument I saw was from Blazr in the other thread, which was overwhelmed by the community(not just a couple of trolls)'s decision.

[Heutenamos]

duly showed

Wait, where did that word came from ? I think this all started when you motherfucker started trolling me thinking yourself an Eternal Emperor ? while i was asking a simple question in a very simple post.

but I'm still waiting on exactly what else you believe it contained other than your poorly-conceived opinion.

because i already told you to do something not basing on your fake believes and likes.

Read this again and i give you the fucking benefit of doubt now,you troll.

How could we ever know that the person is shilling or is an actual investor

Colour's what? I see you suffer from the same possessive apostrophe addiction that QS does. Funny that.

If you are convinced then you wouldn't need my reply ? & it is completely off-topic while being a personal thingy ? Shoot the Messenger , Right ?

clearly evidenced throughout this thread.

Oh really ? like talking bout my Signature throughout this thread ?

[shorena]

As someone that fought ponzi OPs in the past and will so in the future under certain circumstances I applaud your effort, but I think its wasted. You may or may not see these as counter arguments. I dont really see them as such. They are my personal reasons why I no longer go around in that section and tag people. You can disagree with them without being wrong, they are at least partially subjective or based on my view on the world.

We have to assume people here are grown up. As such we further have to assume they did the proper research or are unable to do so. In either way, a negative rating will not affect them into rethinking their decisions. I see it similar to punishment and not as a consequence. A punishment can change behavior, but does not create insight or understand of the problem. The behavior is simply avoided openly in order to avoid the punishment. You as an external party can not create consequence for the ponzi, the ponzi OP and/or the "investors". A proper consequence would be loss, be that due to the ponzi OP running away or because "the round ended". Even though these consequences are constantly present, people keep "investing".

Any attempt to educate those you hate and distrust will not be fruitful, because you are unable to see their perspective and change it bit by bit to communicate yours. There is no interaction, but you create a barrier instead.

The flashy red warnings (we had them in the past, didnt we?) will like be reported and removed as spam (they did in the past, didnt they?). If not the ponzi operators can and will create self moderated threads to remove the posts.

This forum has a very non nanny state approach and while it creates things I dont like, I think many of these things have to be tolerated in a free society.

I personally draw my line when they advertise their ponzis outside their section, e.g. in their signatures and I will continue to mark those that do so.

[Heutenamos]

but I think its wasted.

I don't think good deeds & genial advice is ever wasted.

It is nothing but weapon in this case and this thread particularly.If i am a newbie and visited the forum and made some investments in these rackets and luckily i got some gains the first time but people like devil tagged me for that ,but i am no where a shill and nor connected to the operators by any means.

what impression would you have on me then ? nothing but a power trip troll and even if i lose money, cause you are not educating me but forcing me by making me delete my posts,It is not consequence.

I could kill you and say that is the consequence for taking part in a signature campaign which i don't like or is causing spam etc...