[AUCTION] 0.3% Share in Satoshibones Monthly Revenue

[IamNotSure]

I want to sell my stake in the SatoshiBones house revenue.

More info here https://bitzillions.com/satoshibones/stake

I currently own 0,3 percent of the stake (bought for 7,5 BTC) , which yields 0,3% of the monthly earnings.

Owner of the site has paid the dividends all 1st of month and has never failed one payment. (address 1pixe1UftiakbCTXnQdF6mtk1o7nKfHMb)

Last 6 payments for this stake were (all this can be verified on the blockchain and on the address above):

Jan 2016 : 0.41305344 BTC
Dec 2015 : 0.22655820 BTC
Nov 2015 : 0.16724186 BTC
Oct 2015 : 0.2239621 BTC
Sept 2015 : 0.138786 BTC

So basically, if the share of the stake is valued today at 10 BTC, it would yield between 1 and 5% / month

This has been my best investment in BTC so far. I want to sell because I wan to liquitadate all my assets in BTC.

Starting bid : 7.5 BTC

Buy it now : 15 BTC

End date and time : 15 March 2016 1PM CET (so you will receice the payment for march)

Payment methods accepted : Only in Bitcoins

Additional information

As soon as the winner of the auction is known, the transfer of ownership will involve the owner of Sathoshibones (who is anonymous but has proved to be trustworthy so far) and we will arrange the transfer with him. Most likely the address listed in the shareholders will be replaced by one the buyer own. This can be done with an escow to accomodate any level of paranoia the buyer would have.

Don’t hesistate if you have any question.

[youhgt2]

you can sell only a part of it?
like 1% of total 0,3% ?

[Billyboy402]

you can sell only a part of it?
like 1% of total 0,3% ?

That's a good question. Please answer it.

[IamNotSure]

you can sell only a part of it?
like 1% of total 0,3% ?

That's a good question. Please answer it.

Good question. I'll ask the owner of the site if he's ok to split my share into serveral. But I don't think he'll agree to go as low as 1%. Maybe 10x10% ?

I'll get beck as soon as I have an answer. Meanwhile, if someone is intrested in buying the whole thing, he'll have the priority.

[IamNotSure]

Ok, the owner is ok for a partial tranfser of the stake.

So I'm ok to accept bid for only a part of the stake, but only by 10% increments

Place your bids like this example : 2 BTC for 20% of the sale means you'll receive 0,06% of monthly revenue for 2 BTC

I'll make only one sale to the highest bidder and/or the highest proportion of the share asked.

Buy it now price still applies for part or totality of the stake. (e.g. you can immediately buy 10% of my share for 1,5 BTC)

[jpoker272727]

Is it just me, or was the offer to purchase 10% of the net profit, to cost 250 bitcoins absurd?  That means if you wanted to just get 10% of JUST the revenue from that site, it would cost well over $100,000 USD?  So that site is evaluated to be worth over a million dollars? 

It's been around for about a year, the owner of the site is unknown, and the betting is with bitcoin.    Maybe it was a good investment, I have no idea, but to me, that seems like the worst possible deal I've ever seen.  With $900,000, I'll make the exact same site, called it Satoshibone, with $800,000 leftover to spend on SEO, and getting traffic to it.   


WHOOOOOO the hell invested in that!!  and WHYYYY

[jpoker272727]

And now, someone who apparently did invest in it, obviously wants to offload it, and people think its a good idea to buy this bad investment at an even  higher price than originally bought from this third party.  hahahahahah I HAVE to not be understanding something. 

Can someone explain the economics to me,

Last month it says the total profit from the site was 7 Bitcoins.  So last month, the TOTAL revenue was about $2,800 USD.   I'm not saying this isn't good for the site owner,  that is basically a standard salary per month,  I don't know what is involved with the upkeeping of the website, and what is involved with running it, but with $2,800 USD/Month, your not worth a million bucks, nor even close to it.

[IamNotSure]

It's been around for about a year

Site has been around since April 2013.

For those who bought in 2013, I think they already have their initial investment back

Owner has never missed one single payement

Last month it says the total profit from the site was 7 Bitcoins.

There is indeed some variance involved, like in any casino revenue.

For example, profit of , March 2014, Jan 2015 & June 2015 were above 200 BTC

people think its a good idea to buy this investment at an higher price than originally bought from this third party.

This is called a market.

[jpoker272727]

OK, hey, I don't understand the economics behind it at all, but if you say so, I have no reason to disagree.

How come you want to sell yours if its just passive income each month?

[MRKLYE]

Protip: This user wouldn't be selling this investment if it had any chance of actually getting ROI.

Spending 7.5 or 15 BTC to *hopefully* receive a .1 to .2 dividend monthly seems like a fools move.

[jpoker272727]

Obviously i know that hahahahahah,  but the fact that the owner of the site puts an evaluation of it at over 1 million dollars, and people couldnt wait to line up and invest, is AMAZING. 


now someone realizes it was a mistake, and it actually gonna be able to sell it to others at an even higher price than he made.

I don't know much about ecomonics, but this is the worst investment I have ever seen in my life, and Im not kidding.   Not only are the figures absurd, even the business model tends to be risky on all levels, an online bitcoin gambling site.  jesus christ

[IamNotSure]

Protip: This user wouldn't be selling this investment if it had any chance of actually getting ROI.

I already have my ROI. What are you exactly trying to say ?

Spending 7.5 or 15 BTC to *hopefully* receive a .1 to .2 dividend monthly seems like a fools move.

I disagree. An investment that yields more or less 20% annually is not a fools move.

Obviously i know that hahahahahah,  but the fact that the owner of the site puts an evaluation of it at over 1 million dollars, and people couldnt wait to line up and invest, is AMAZING. 

And the owner has already won his 1$M dollar back in three years... Amazing, ins't it ?

I don't know much about ecomonics. (...)

Indeed

now someone realizes it was a mistake, and it actually gonna be able to sell it to others at an even higher price than he made.

It was far from a mistake. As I said it's the best investement I made in crypto so far.

This is for example the return for 2014 for the share I offer to sell. If some of you are intrested, I can publish a whole history.

01/2014   0.0369   0.49% 02/2014   0.1062   1.42% 03/2014   0.7439   9.92% 04/2014   0.1327   1.77% 05/2014   0.0917   1.22% 06/2014   0.1684   2.25% 07/2014   0.0326   0.44% 08/2014   0.1335   1.78% 09/2014   0.0952   1.27% 10/2014   0.3225   4.30% 11/2014   0.0375   0.50% 12/2014   0.1912   2.55% 2014         2.092         27.9 %

[IamNotSure]

How come you want to sell yours if its just passive income each month?

Sorry, didn't saw that question.

Because I want to completely get out of BTC and as cool as this monthly income is, I tend to ... lose it by betting (as stupid as it sounds)

The thing is, it's a legal obligation to be able to exclude yourself from gambling authorized fiat casinos (at least in my country) In crtypto world, not so much. This turned out to be an issue for me.

[Blazed]

You will not make positive ROI until you sell the stake though? I am curious if the owner is willing to buy out peoples stake for face value?

[IamNotSure]

You will not make positive ROI until you sell the stake though? I am curious if the owner is willing to buy out peoples stake for face value?

I'll update my spreadsheet and come back with precise numbers. Until 05/2015 it had yielded 4.492 BTC, and 2015 had some good months. If I'm not exactly break even it is a matter of months.

I don't know if the owner will want to buy stake for face value, the best way is to ask him. But he won't give a premium, that's for sure (and that's why I want to sell here, because I think a premium is justified)

He had enormous returns and if I was him, I'd buy back the 10% held by investors.

[ranlo]

This valuation seems way off. You're dealing with a volatile coin, in a volatile economy, with a volatile site. You're basically putting risk on top of risk on top of more risk. At 20-30% ROI/yr, you're in a high-risk, medium-reward situation, at best. Using a highly illiquid method of ownership. I just can't fathom ever viewing this as a decent deal under the current circumstances.

[knowhow]

Sure as long this website keeps runing you will get dividends the time to roi here is the main question as it can last for a year and looks like it will be needed more then a year to recover those investment,as long the projects keeps alive,its a risky investment without any warranty that the owner will keep paying .

[jpoker272727]

I looked at the last 6 or 7 months, and yes some months are better some are worse, just a totally rough estimate, I'd say the site brings in an average of 90 BTC's profit a month.  (If im wrong, correct me).  So each month really you are getting about 0.27BTCs, But even if its double that, and each month you get 0.5BTC, to even get your money back, and break even would take over a year at 7.5 BTC's.  And like the guy said in the previous post, the whole economy of bitcoins in general is so volatile.   

So lets say the world figures out bitcoins are the best, it gains popularity, and doubles in value, then it would only take 8 months to break even? 

So all that happens, its very lucky, you wait the 8 months, and finally you can get your 0.4 Bitcoins each month?  I feel like it might be easier to just throw a bet at satoshi

[ranlo]

I looked at the last 6 or 7 months, and yes some months are better some are worse, just a totally rough estimate, I'd say the site brings in an average of 90 BTC's profit a month.  (If im wrong, correct me).  So each month really you are getting about 0.27BTCs, But even if its double that, and each month you get 0.5BTC, to even get your money back, and break even would take over a year at 7.5 BTC's.  And like the guy said in the previous post, the whole economy of bitcoins in general is so volatile.   

So lets say the world figures out bitcoins are the best, it gains popularity, and doubles in value, then it would only take 8 months to break even? 

So all that happens, its very lucky, you wait the 8 months, and finally you can get your 0.4 Bitcoins each month?  I feel like it might be easier to just throw a bet at satoshi

What does doubling in value have to do with anything?

You buy in at 10 BTC when BTC is $100 each. You spent $1000.
You sell out at 5 BTC when BTC is $500 each. You make $2500, or $1500 profit.

BUT you could have kept the 10 BTC and now you'd have 10 BTC at $500 BTC each, worth $5000, or a profit of $4900.

Which was the better deal?

Tl;dr: the price of bitcoin should NEVER be taken into consideration when dealing with a BTC-denominated 'stock.'

[ca333]

any chance to lower the starting bid?