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January 27, 2013, 06:20:27 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WaPni5O2YyI

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"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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January 27, 2013, 07:10:55 AM
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What if they are really trying to provoke an extreme reaction, as opposed to actually helping?
How can anyone be certain?

Let's support peaceful action, not cyber-crime...
...especially on public forums.   Cheesy

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January 27, 2013, 07:40:05 AM
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While the preference might be for peaceful solution it does not always work. I am sure a great many of us wish we could talk out all of our differences and come to an agreement about things. The thing is that even two perfectly rational people may not agree if their assumptions are different. While part of me would love for use to be the better people there is a part of me that feels that restricting ourselves and refusing to use the tools of our enemies is unwise. They would not hesitate to do everything anonymous does and more and I see no reason why anonymous should feel compelled to follow the rules put forth by their current target. It would be like playing checkers against someone who was constantly making up new rules that only you had to follow.
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January 27, 2013, 04:42:11 PM
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lol, do the kids that make these videos always have to make them look and sound so fucking retarded.

"anonymous immediately convened an emergency council" - I laughed so fucking hard

seriously, whats wrong with just making a normal video about the facts?
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January 27, 2013, 05:01:58 PM
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Tongue every single video I've seen does that, even documentaries, they all just have varying degrees of subtlety.
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January 27, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
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Thomas Bergersen must be shaking his head that everyone and their grandmas use his music. (Well, I admit I'd also like to use it for pretty much everything. Heck, I might've used the same two tracks if asked for bg music for this kinda thing. Cheesy )



The message is good, and so is the timing. Their description of the injustice at hand hits the mark: creating vast amounts of crimes and allowing selective punishment.

The story of the death of Aaron Swartz is an abomination from start to finish. Is university work now a knowledge bunker for the privileged? Although they get tax funding, taken forcefully from the public? Someone doesn't consent to that, and gets the choice to either get his life ruined or betray his allies? Is the suicide surprising? Am I missing something here?
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January 27, 2013, 10:35:33 PM
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so what was the creator of this video actually threatening to do? release classified documents?

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January 27, 2013, 10:56:14 PM
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so what was the creator of this video actually threatening to do? release classified documents?

Their description of what they are upset about was much more clear. Releasing info about the sites/departments them claim to have had control of is a good guess.

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January 28, 2013, 02:07:38 PM
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I for one am glad Aaron Swartz's death appears to be at least slightly less in vain.

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January 28, 2013, 03:26:09 PM
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They forgot to erase the "CIA internal use only" caption from the cgi clip with the ICBM stuff... just kidding Wink

On a slightly more serious note, if they didn't try to sound so f*cking epic all the time, they might actually achieve something? As it stands, the whole "Anonymous" thing doesn't add-up...

a) The shadowy scaremongering alienates older people. It almost sounds like a "divide and conquer" set-up by some dumbass intelligence outfit. Get all the young people rallying behind some non-existent bullshit, and get all the older people cynical and pissed off at the young people... Why can't they sound persuasive and try to fight back against the propaganda that people are exposed to in everyday life?

b) Where's the sense of struggle? The only time they ever seem to call for support is when they want people to download software Wink Wink to take down other people's websites. What is the average 18-30 year old supposed to do when he or she sees that youtube video? Sit back and relax because Anonymous has it all under control? Like that's gonna help change the world! Roll Eyes

c) There's Pastebin, there's mashups, mobile apps, encrypted communication, pseudonymous currencies, prediction markets... how hard can it be to make politicians feel a real sense of accountability? Don't they understand that governments are made up of flesh-and-blood people?

Anonymous isn't an organization in the strictest sense. All it was to begin with was a bunch of people who frequented anon image boards such as 4chan that would periodically group together for pranks or raids. It was much more a loose coalition of bored teenage internet terrorists than it was the elite hacker 'hacktivist' organization that so many media outfits try and promote it as.

Infact, if you look at the history of anonymous, you'll find very little actual 'hacking' occured. 90% of the time it wasn't political, and it was just fucking with people (habbo, bald4bieber, etc.), and the remaining 10% that was political was usually achieved by ddos or social engineering.

Due to the fact that it began to get media attention from (usually very poorly researched) stories, lots of little kids started getting into it because hey fuck the establishment right? And thus enter into the 'epic' youtube videos and faggy guy fawkes mask golden age of anonymous. Many times kids would actually make youtube videos claiming that 'anonymous' took down sites that they never did and whatnot, it got really sad actually.

And here we are today. List of reasons anonymous will never accomplish anything besides entertaining people in the news:

- no central leadership and thus no actual pre-determined goals or rules
- many of the groups largest 'accomplishments' were actually done by other groups such as lulzsec
- convincing people to help with raids and ddos and whatnot is much harder if its for political reasons as opposed to being for shits and giggles
- things like the cut4bieber campaign ruin the public image of a white-knight hacktivist organization that are in most peoples minds and thus turn the
public against anonymous
- most anon attacks you hear about in the news were committed by different people, whoever was bored at the time really. It's not like there is some
central inner group that does most of the attacks. As a result, while singular attacks are entirely possible, launching a full-scale campaign against
multiple targets over a long period of time will never happen.
- no central form of communication




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