Pro gun mom got shot by her 4 years old son

[valta4065]

I won't add anything to the irony of this situation. It's just incredible that she doesn't realize how lucky she was to have a second chance. Most never had it.
30 000 deaths every year by guns in the USA. The highest murder rate of the Western world. Maybe start to think about it?
Anyway, seems at least her son can't aim well!

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/progun-mum-jamie-gilt-will-never-give-up-her-guns-despite-being-shit-by-son-family-say/news-story/36303137d00bab41c3e8eaa936e3319f


A MUM who was accidentally shot by her four-year-old son “will never give up her guns”, her family have announced.
Family members said Jamie Gilt will still be pro-gun — despite being almost killed in an accidental shooting in her truck.
Ms Gilt, 31, is in a stable condition and faces criminal charges after her son found a fully loaded .45 handgun next to his child booster seat and pulled the trigger.
The boy’s grandmother Jane Bramble told The Sun the youngster has no idea that he had almost killed his mum.
And she insisted her daughter would not change her opinion about owning guns — and will keep the semi automatic gun fired in the incident.
“This was an accident and nothing more,” said the 71-year-old from Palaka, Florida.
“All the gun control people are jumping on this, but it will not change her opinion about owning guns.
“She is very pro-gun and will not change her opinion about owning them.
“She will keep her guns and I’m happy that she will.”

Ms Bramble said her grandson was unaffected by the shooting.
“He is sitting opposite me eating pancakes and has no idea what he did. It was an accident, that is all it was.”
Ms Bramble refused to say how her grandson got hold of the loaded weapon.
“I don’t want to go into that now,” she said.
“I want to thank everyone for their support and prayers in this difficult time.
“The family wants to remain private and focus on the long road of healing ahead.”
Days before the shooting Ms Gilt had used social media to support the right to own guns and boasted that her son knew how to shoot.
“All of ours know how to shoot too. Even my 4-year-old gets jacked up to target shoot the .22,” she wrote in a Facebook posting.
As well as a personal account Ms Gilt has a Facebook page called “Jamie Gilt for Gun Sense”
The four-year-old boy has not been named and is in the care of his grandmother while social services launch an investigation. Police said he will not face any charges.
Ms Gilt was driving to her sister’s home near Jacksonville, Florida, when the youngster fired a single shot into the driver’s seat.

The bullet passed through her back and exited out of her stomach.
A police officer saw the driver waving at him frantically and when he approached the vehicle Ms Gilt said her son had shot her in the back.
Police found a handgun on the floor of the vehicle and the boy was unrestrained in the child booster seat.
Ms Gilt was flown by air ambulance to the UF Hospital in Gainesville where she remains in a stable condition.
She has yet to be interviewed by police as doctors have said she is not medically fit to make a statement.
The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said Ms Gilt could face a negligence charge if it was found the boy had easy access to the gun.
However, a former state prosecutor said it was unlikely Ms Gilt would be charged as she had suffered enough.
Harry Shorstein said “You have to put great weight on the fact that the person who is criminally liable is the one who was shot.
“I’d be very reluctant to prosecute in this situation.”

[enhu]

I guess this is just what they say "Live by the Gun, Die By the Gun"  and she still stand to her vote about owning a gun.

I support to own guns though but not letting minors hold it even for a second. Its the parents fault no matter how the situation is..

[valta4065]

I guess this is just what they say "Live by the Gun, Die By the Gun"  and she still stand to her vote about owning a gun.

I support to own guns though but not letting minors hold it even for a second. Its the parents fault no matter how the situation is..

And I suppose it will be a relief for the families of those killed by minors by accident or at will

[Lethn]

So the solution to people being stupid and leaving loaded guns with their safeties off next to a fucking child is to ban the guns instead of jail the mother for gross negligence or get the child to another relative? Gotta love that logic. It's amazing how fast people like you are to take advantage of accidents like this when it's obvious that the problem wasn't the gun it was the moron who left the gun lying around fully loaded.

Also, what about all the other people in the country who own guns without any problem and are no way near as stupid as this woman?

[valta4065]

So the solution to people being stupid and leaving loaded guns with their safeties off next to a fucking child is to ban the guns instead of jail the mother for gross negligence or get the child to another relative? Gotta love that logic. It's amazing how fast people like you are to take advantage of accidents like this when it's obvious that the problem wasn't the gun it was the moron who left the gun lying around fully loaded.

Also, what about all the other people in the country who own guns without any problem and are no way near as stupid as this woman?

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

[TECSHARE]

One mother observes improper gun safety = the entire nation should disarm and be defenseless. Yeah. ok.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Also notice this article is published from Australia, a nation of disarmed British royal subjects trying to justify their own position of helplessness. After all, ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

In most circumstances yes, anyone who allows young children unsupervised access to loaded guns SHOULD be prosecuted and potentially jailed. You don't find this to be worthy of criminal charges in most cases? Additionally are you making the argument that guns NEVER are used to defend life? I think you are going to lose that one.

[Lethn]

So the solution to people being stupid and leaving loaded guns with their safeties off next to a fucking child is to ban the guns instead of jail the mother for gross negligence or get the child to another relative? Gotta love that logic. It's amazing how fast people like you are to take advantage of accidents like this when it's obvious that the problem wasn't the gun it was the moron who left the gun lying around fully loaded.

Also, what about all the other people in the country who own guns without any problem and are no way near as stupid as this woman?

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

That's what happens with domestic violence cases and so on and you don't seem to be complaining about that, again though, you didn't answer my question about people who own guns and don't do any of the stupid shit this woman did?

Doing a blanket ban because of morons like this is incredibly short sighted, if you want to stop her from having a gun fine, but going around and using this as an example of taking away guns from everybody is ridiculous.

[valta4065]

One mother observes improper gun safety = the entire nation should disarm and be defenseless. Yeah. ok.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Never said that.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

[valta4065]

So the solution to people being stupid and leaving loaded guns with their safeties off next to a fucking child is to ban the guns instead of jail the mother for gross negligence or get the child to another relative? Gotta love that logic. It's amazing how fast people like you are to take advantage of accidents like this when it's obvious that the problem wasn't the gun it was the moron who left the gun lying around fully loaded.

Also, what about all the other people in the country who own guns without any problem and are no way near as stupid as this woman?

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

That's what happens with domestic violence cases and so on and you don't seem to be complaining about that, again though, you didn't answer my question about people who own guns and don't do any of the stupid shit this woman did?

Doing a blanket ban because of morons like this is incredibly short sighted, if you want to stop her from having a gun fine, but going around and using this as an example of taking away guns from everybody is ridiculous.

Of course we are complaining about that. That's the whole point of education campaigns. But you can't simply stop domestic abuses/violence by taking away something.
I didn't answer your question because I don't see the relevance of it.

Not saying you should take away guns from everyone. There is a difference between banning all guns for everyone and increase gun control. And I didn't advocate anything, just giving out this example to make you all think about it from another point of view.

[valta4065]

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

In most circumstances yes, anyone who allows young children unsupervised access to loaded guns SHOULD be prosecuted and potentially jailed. You don't find this to be worthy of criminal charges in most cases? Additionally are you making the argument that guns NEVER are used to defend life? I think you are going to lose that one.

Another logical fallacy here. Seems like you preach a lot but you're not better at logical debate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

[Lethn]

So the solution to people being stupid and leaving loaded guns with their safeties off next to a fucking child is to ban the guns instead of jail the mother for gross negligence or get the child to another relative? Gotta love that logic. It's amazing how fast people like you are to take advantage of accidents like this when it's obvious that the problem wasn't the gun it was the moron who left the gun lying around fully loaded.

Also, what about all the other people in the country who own guns without any problem and are no way near as stupid as this woman?

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

That's what happens with domestic violence cases and so on and you don't seem to be complaining about that, again though, you didn't answer my question about people who own guns and don't do any of the stupid shit this woman did?

Doing a blanket ban because of morons like this is incredibly short sighted, if you want to stop her from having a gun fine, but going around and using this as an example of taking away guns from everybody is ridiculous.

Of course we are complaining about that. That's the whole point of education campaigns. But you can't simply stop domestic abuses/violence by taking away something.
I didn't answer your question because I don't see the relevance of it.

Not saying you should take away guns from everyone. There is a difference between banning all guns for everyone and increase gun control. And I didn't advocate anything, just giving out this example to make you all think about it from another point of view.

There is a big difference between banning all guns and increasing gun control, a huge difference, by the way, it's really obvious when people are advocating for something because when it comes to gun control they get extremely emotional and treat people who disagree with them like shit. The problem is that people who are pro 'gun control' never talk about specifics, they may mention things like background checks and so on, but that's because most people would agree with that, when you delve deeper into the political belief system you find that they want to attack the people that own guns rather than actually solve the problems they talk about which is why they quickly revert to the usual gags and comments and the whole thing descends into a shit flinging competition.

[valta4065]

Of course we are complaining about that. That's the whole point of education campaigns. But you can't simply stop domestic abuses/violence by taking away something.
I didn't answer your question because I don't see the relevance of it.

Not saying you should take away guns from everyone. There is a difference between banning all guns for everyone and increase gun control. And I didn't advocate anything, just giving out this example to make you all think about it from another point of view.

There is a big difference between banning all guns and increasing gun control, a huge difference, by the way, it's really obvious when people are advocating for something because when it comes to gun control they get extremely emotional and treat people who disagree with them like shit. The problem is that people who are pro 'gun control' never talk about specifics, they may mention things like background checks and so on, but that's because most people would agree with that, when you delve deeper into the political belief system you find that they want to attack the people that own guns rather than actually solve the problems they talk about which is why they quickly revert to the usual gags and comments and the whole thing descends into a shit flinging competition.

Seems like Techshare or Galdur way of talking to people. Not mine. Unless you're too patriotic cause I got to say I easily lose my nerves against stupid ignorant patriotic Americans who knows nothing about History.

Again I didn't say anything about gun control, nothing else than "maybe think about it taking those kind of accident into account".
I'm not going to use an example like this to add oil on fire. Just to give a new vision of the debate. That's all.

And I'm not American so you do whatever you want in your country
As long as you don't bring your guns here like Trump wants to do.

[tabas]

i watched this on news, the mom became careless on hiding her gun. I feel sorry for her 

[yugo23]

Well, it's really an anecdotal event... Is it?

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html

"In one survey, 10% of families admitted to having unlocked and loaded firearms within easy reach of children (Patterson and Smith, 1987). Another study showed that two-thirds of accidental firearms injuries occurred in the home, and one-third involved children under 15."

Anyway. It's all a pros and cons debate. I don't see how the pros can overweight the cons but... Not my country.

[TECSHARE]

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

In most circumstances yes, anyone who allows young children unsupervised access to loaded guns SHOULD be prosecuted and potentially jailed. You don't find this to be worthy of criminal charges in most cases? Additionally are you making the argument that guns NEVER are used to defend life? I think you are going to lose that one.

Another logical fallacy here. Seems like you preach a lot but you're not better at logical debate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

So you did not just state that guns have no other use than to kill people? It seems pretty clear to me you did, making my statement 100% fair and logical. Just because you get amnesia about what you said when convenient doesn't erase your statement from the record.

[boyptc]

I am pro-gun but you NEVER leave a loaded firearm lying around anywhere, especially near kids. This woman is stupid.

[valta4065]

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

In most circumstances yes, anyone who allows young children unsupervised access to loaded guns SHOULD be prosecuted and potentially jailed. You don't find this to be worthy of criminal charges in most cases? Additionally are you making the argument that guns NEVER are used to defend life? I think you are going to lose that one.

Another logical fallacy here. Seems like you preach a lot but you're not better at logical debate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

So you did not just state that guns have no other use than to kill people? It seems pretty clear to me you did, making my statement 100% fair and logical. Just because you get amnesia about what you said when convenient doesn't erase your statement from the record.

Sigh...
Amnesia? No it's just that contrary to you I understand words. Tell me, how guns protect lifes? Yeah by killing. The only purpose of a gun is to kill. It's the ONE AND UNIQUE PURPOSE of a gun.

[tabas]

Multiple lessons here. Weapons must be secured in a rapid-opening finger-touch-code locking device. Another lesson; handguns are wounding weapons that sometimes kill. The best home defense weapon should be either a shotgun or center-fire rifle (if living in dense population / apartment, rifle rounds over penetrate, so only a shotgun would be appropriate).

[criptix]

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

In most circumstances yes, anyone who allows young children unsupervised access to loaded guns SHOULD be prosecuted and potentially jailed. You don't find this to be worthy of criminal charges in most cases? Additionally are you making the argument that guns NEVER are used to defend life? I think you are going to lose that one.

Another logical fallacy here. Seems like you preach a lot but you're not better at logical debate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

So you did not just state that guns have no other use than to kill people? It seems pretty clear to me you did, making my statement 100% fair and logical. Just because you get amnesia about what you said when convenient doesn't erase your statement from the record.

Well i guess the dream of arms manufacturers would be that every shot would miss and therefor people create an infinite demand.
Peoples death are just a sad and a not wanted occurrence - usually by accident or mistake - in the world of arms producer.

Lord of War was a pretty good movie

[criptix]

Multiple lessons here. Weapons must be secured in a rapid-opening finger-touch-code locking device. Another lesson; handguns are wounding weapons that sometimes kill. The best home defense weapon should be either a shotgun or center-fire rifle (if living in dense population / apartment, rifle rounds over penetrate, so only a shotgun would be appropriate).

If you use a shotgun in the correct distance then you would have to miss your target on purpose to not kill him.