Pro gun mom got shot by her 4 years old son

[yugo23]

If you use a shotgun in the correct distance then you would have to miss your target on purpose to not kill him.

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

[TECSHARE]

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

So you are doubling down on your ridiculous argument that guns are only for killing? Let me list just a few examples that prove you are absolutely full of shit and disingenuously just making claims that are impossible to back up:

-deterrent to crime simply by having it be seen by criminals
-brandishing without firing for self defense
-target shooting
-hunting for food (or should we not hunt animals to eat because it upsets you so?)
-collecting
-shooting competition/skill shooting
-law enforcement
-animal control

That took about 3 seconds. It is 100% fact that guns can be used for MANY other purposes than killing. Just because in your twisted pacifist mind you only can imagine it being used for killing does NOT make it reality. As a result your statement below is nothing more than a bold faced lie you toss about as a convenient platitude that works for control freaks like you who can't stand other people being free and able to defend themselves.

Yeah. Seems like a much better idea to jail people and separate families than to take away guns that have absolutely no other use but to kill people

In most circumstances yes, anyone who allows young children unsupervised access to loaded guns SHOULD be prosecuted and potentially jailed. You don't find this to be worthy of criminal charges in most cases? Additionally are you making the argument that guns NEVER are used to defend life? I think you are going to lose that one.

Another logical fallacy here. Seems like you preach a lot but you're not better at logical debate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

So you did not just state that guns have no other use than to kill people? It seems pretty clear to me you did, making my statement 100% fair and logical. Just because you get amnesia about what you said when convenient doesn't erase your statement from the record.

Sigh...
Amnesia? No it's just that contrary to you I understand words. Tell me, how guns protect lifes? Yeah by killing. The only purpose of a gun is to kill. It's the ONE AND UNIQUE PURPOSE of a gun.

As far as your shotgun comment... ever hear of rocksalt douchebag? Of course you haven't, why would you know anything about firearms, you have probably never even seen one in your life. You live in a socialist hellhole where the subjects can't be trusted with arms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun#Less-lethal_rounds.2C_for_riot_and_animal_control

[Duomo]

Just to point out, this is completely the mother's fault for not properly securing the firearm, not whether or not was a pro-gun mom. The fact that she was a pro-gun mom just makes it another excuse to say, "this is exactly why guns shouldn't be legal" counterarguement. She placed a loaded gun where it was easily reachable by the child. The firearm should of been locked in a child-proof container and kept in the trunk. Then, I guess the argument could be it couldn't be easily accessible if something were to happen. Either way, the fire-arm was not secure in the presence of a child. This is stupid human error on her part and now she has to face the consequences. 

[Betwrong]

I am pro-gun but you NEVER leave a loaded firearm lying around anywhere, especially near kids. This woman is stupid.

Exactly. Not only guns but many other things too harm people when improperly used. IMO the safety of people is about education, not prohibitition.

[TECSHARE]

I am pro-gun but you NEVER leave a loaded firearm lying around anywhere, especially near kids. This woman is stupid.

Exactly. Not only guns but many other things too harm people when improperly used. IMO the safety of people is about education, not prohibitition.

Right. Funny when someone leaves a lighter laying around and a kid burns the house down, no one immediately blames the lighter and tries to have them banned even though fire is arguably far more destructive and dangerous than a gun. You know why that is? Because the media doesn't whip people into a hysteria programming fear of lighters into them.

[Hirose UK]

I guess this is just what they say "Live by the Gun, Die By the Gun"  and she still stand to her vote about owning a gun.

I support to own guns though but not letting minors hold it even for a second. Its the parents fault no matter how the situation is..

Yeah. Just never let minors touch a gun. They don't have any idea what this stuff purpose. Then it's just happen. They can kill people. So be careful with this thing

[yugo23]

I am pro-gun but you NEVER leave a loaded firearm lying around anywhere, especially near kids. This woman is stupid.

Exactly. Not only guns but many other things too harm people when improperly used. IMO the safety of people is about education, not prohibitition.

Right. Funny when someone leaves a lighter laying around and a kid burns the house down, no one immediately blames the lighter and tries to have them banned even though fire is arguably far more destructive and dangerous than a gun. You know why that is? Because the media doesn't whip people into a hysteria programming fear of lighters into them.

Maybe it's because a lighter has other purposes than burning the house down whereas guns don't have other purpose than killing

[TECSHARE]

I am pro-gun but you NEVER leave a loaded firearm lying around anywhere, especially near kids. This woman is stupid.

Exactly. Not only guns but many other things too harm people when improperly used. IMO the safety of people is about education, not prohibitition.

Right. Funny when someone leaves a lighter laying around and a kid burns the house down, no one immediately blames the lighter and tries to have them banned even though fire is arguably far more destructive and dangerous than a gun. You know why that is? Because the media doesn't whip people into a hysteria programming fear of lighters into them.

Maybe it's because a lighter has other purposes than burning the house down whereas guns don't have other purpose than killing

Repeating a lie doesn't make it any less of a lie liar. I already thoroughly dismissed this claim above.

[yugo23]

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE BY THREATENING TO KILL OTHERS OR ACTUALLY SHOOTING ON THEM

Here, corrected this for you, it was just a flawed reasoning don't thank me

So you are doubling down on your ridiculous argument that guns are only for killing? Let me list just a few examples that prove you are absolutely full of shit and disingenuously just making claims that are impossible to back up:

Whaou, what a good argument, I'm really convinced.
Anyway, what would you expect from an American?

-deterrent to crime simply by having it be seen by criminals

Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened.

-brandishing without firing for self defense

Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened.

-target shooting

Right and that's why nobody wants a total ban of guns but you don't need to have a loaded gun in your house to practice target shooting.

-hunting for food (or should we not hunt animals to eat because it upsets you so?)

Same as above

-collecting

Cool thing bro, but you know you can collect swords for example too? Well usually collection swords are not sharpen. In the same way, collection guns don't have to be functionnal and they really don't need to be loaded and ready to fire.

-shooting competition/skill shooting

Same as above

-law enforcement

Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened.

-animal control

Right and that's why nobody wants a total ban of guns but you don't need to have a loaded gun in your house to practice target shooting.

That took about 3 seconds. It is 100% fact that guns can be used for MANY other purposes than killing.

No, the only point I'll grant you is the pleasure aspect of collection or skill shooting for example. Which is why total ban is never what people ask for, but skill shooting or collection don't need a loaded weapon at home ready to fire.

Just because in your twisted pacifist mind you only can imagine it being used for killing does NOT make it reality.

Well it doesn't except for the pleasure aspect of the guns. Which I agree on.

As a result your statement below is nothing more than a bold faced lie you toss about as a convenient platitude that works for control freaks like you who can't stand other people being free and able to defend themselves.

Sure because that's what I said xD

You're really a big mouth of propaganda. Anyway it doesn't change the fact that you're lying.

[yugo23]

I am pro-gun but you NEVER leave a loaded firearm lying around anywhere, especially near kids. This woman is stupid.

Exactly. Not only guns but many other things too harm people when improperly used. IMO the safety of people is about education, not prohibitition.

Right. Funny when someone leaves a lighter laying around and a kid burns the house down, no one immediately blames the lighter and tries to have them banned even though fire is arguably far more destructive and dangerous than a gun. You know why that is? Because the media doesn't whip people into a hysteria programming fear of lighters into them.

Maybe it's because a lighter has other purposes than burning the house down whereas guns don't have other purpose than killing

Repeating a lie doesn't make it any less of a lie liar. I already thoroughly dismissed this claim above.

Sorry I took the time to make a long post to explain others how you're lying.
But again, what would you expect from a propaganda guy

[TECSHARE]

So your retort is... once again repeating the lie that "the only purpose of guns is to kill" over and over and over in the same post. Very convincing. You don't like the fact people defend their lives with guns, so just say "because the only purpose of a gun is to kill" after each example of nonlethal uses of guns and like magic the cognitive dissonance in the rusty wheel-works of your socialist confirmation bias riddled mind once again can grind away freely.

Just because you imagine violence, does not make the violence real, hence the fact that self defensive use of firearms DOES NOT REQUIRE KILLING, even if you pretend like this is not the case to try to support your shitty unsupportable argument.
Anything that doesn't fit with your socialist conditioning = "a propaganda guy"

[M83]

Just to point out, this is completely the mother's fault for not properly securing the firearm, not whether or not was a pro-gun mom. The fact that she was a pro-gun mom just makes it another excuse to say, "this is exactly why guns shouldn't be legal" counterarguement.

I think it's a good example of why not every idiot should be able to own one and why there needs to be more restrictions in place.

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

[yugo23]

So your retort is... once again repeating the lie that "the only purpose of guns is to kill" over and over and over in the same post. Very convincing. You don't like the fact people defend their lives with guns, so just say "because the only purpose of a gun is to kill" after each example of nonlethal uses of guns and like magic the cognitive dissonance in the rusty wheel-works of your socialist confirmation bias riddled mind once again can grind away freely.

Just because you imagine violence, does not make the violence real, hence the fact that self defensive use of firearms DOES NOT REQUIRE KILLING, even if you pretend like this is not the case to try to support your shitty unsupportable argument.
Anything that doesn't fit with your socialist conditioning = "a propaganda guy"

You're argument is that self defense doesn't require killing.
It's right, and what? That's not what I claimed. I claimed that the main purpose of a gun is to kill. Hence you can frighten people because they KNOW that the ONLY purpose of a gun is to kill.

I denied all your arguments, can you give me any use of a loaded gun at home but to kill?

[yugo23]

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

Ah! I brought dozens of stats considering crimes but the pro gun freedom accept none of them because "correlation != causation".

In their minds culture diversity is enough to explain the fact that USA gets a murder rates 4 times higher than any other civilized Western country xD

[craked5]

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

Ah! I brought dozens of stats considering crimes but the pro gun freedom accept none of them because "correlation != causation".

In their minds culture diversity is enough to explain the fact that USA gets a murder rates 4 times higher than any other civilized Western country xD

Just ignore Tecshare.

He's not only dumb, he's also extremely rude and narrow minded

Stop arguing, he can't think properly. And by that I mean he's not able to think more than one argument at a time, he can't make a reasoning with arguments actually step by step ^^

[gentlemand]

The only thing that stops a bad baby with a gun is a good baby with a gun. Where was it when it really counted?

Look at this stupid bint's past. Multiple convictions for a variety of reasons. Throw in child endangerment now and what if a random passerby had eaten a bullet?

This thread will no doubt end up 100 pages long with nothing learned on either side. Have fun, all.

[TECSHARE]

So your retort is... once again repeating the lie that "the only purpose of guns is to kill" over and over and over in the same post. Very convincing. You don't like the fact people defend their lives with guns, so just say "because the only purpose of a gun is to kill" after each example of nonlethal uses of guns and like magic the cognitive dissonance in the rusty wheel-works of your socialist confirmation bias riddled mind once again can grind away freely.

Just because you imagine violence, does not make the violence real, hence the fact that self defensive use of firearms DOES NOT REQUIRE KILLING, even if you pretend like this is not the case to try to support your shitty unsupportable argument.
Anything that doesn't fit with your socialist conditioning = "a propaganda guy"

You're argument is that self defense doesn't require killing.
It's right, and what? That's not what I claimed. I claimed that the main purpose of a gun is to kill. Hence you can frighten people because they KNOW that the ONLY purpose of a gun is to kill.

I denied all your arguments, can you give me any use of a loaded gun at home but to kill?

Denying all of my arguments doesn't make you any more correct just by denying them. You actually have to have logic or evidence. You have done nothing but repeat yourself. Speaking of repeating yourself YES IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU CLAIMED. You are literally just pretending you didn't say things everyone can look at and see very clearly you said... lets look...

...Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened....

...Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened....

So just keep changing those goal posts, maybe it will make you have a point some day. Again I provided examples of how guns can be used without killing but then you just changed the goal posts to questions about justifying having a loaded gun at home as if that makes your argument mean more. You also didn't address anything about nonlethal ammunition like rocksalt shotgun shells. Just brush the facts aside they aren't important, you have a crusade against "propaganda guys" to win!

You want to know why people should be armed? look no further than your own country:

"By the summer of 1995, three towns in eastern Bosnia--Srebrenica, Zepa and Gorazde--remained under control of the Bosnian government. The U.N. had declared these enclaves "safe havens" in 1993, to be disarmed and protected by international peacekeeping forces. On July 11, however, Bosnian Serb forces advanced on Srebrenica, overwhelming a battalion of Dutch peacekeeping forces stationed there. Serbian forces subsequently separated the Bosniak civilians at Srebrenica, putting the women and girls on buses and sending them to Bosnian-held territory. Some of the women were raped or sexually assaulted, while the men and boys who remained behind were killed immediately or bussed to mass killing sites. Estimates of Bosniaks killed by Serb forces at Srebrenica range from around 7,000 to more than 8,000."  

http://www.examiner.com/article/restrictive-gun-laws-no-impediment-to-serbian-mass-shooting


Don't worry tho! The UN/Police/Santa clause will protect you! No need to be able to defend yourselves! Just get on those mass grave and rape buses and everything will be fine. Oh you don't want to? Tough shit, the bad guys have guns regardless of your "gun control" laws. Too bad the law abiding citizens don't.

drivel

Oh your back! That's too bad. I thought you said you were ignoring me. I guess you just say whatever is convenient at the time for you.

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

Think about it for a second. How would such stats be collected? Are people going to call the police and report they scared off assailants every time they simply brandish a gun? Even if they did the police have no official reporting mechanism for this, so there are no official stats. People on both sides of this debate have however tried to estimate the incidents of self defensive use of firearms in the USA, and even the most conservative numbers show that firearms are used far more often in self defense than in criminal violence.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense

[BADecker]

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

Ah! I brought dozens of stats considering crimes but the pro gun freedom accept none of them because "correlation != causation".

In their minds culture diversity is enough to explain the fact that USA gets a murder rates 4 times higher than any other civilized Western country xD

Just ignore Tecshare.

He's not only dumb, he's also extremely rude and narrow minded

Stop arguing, he can't think properly. And by that I mean he's not able to think more than one argument at a time, he can't make a reasoning with arguments actually step by step ^^

The NUMBER TWO PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE AGAINST JOKERS WHO TRY TO GET EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO HAVE A GUN.

[craked5]

The only thing that stops a bad baby with a gun is a good baby with a gun. Where was it when it really counted?

Look at this stupid bint's past. Multiple convictions for a variety of reasons. Throw in child endangerment now and what if a random passerby had eaten a bullet?

This thread will no doubt end up 100 pages long with nothing learned on either side. Have fun, all.

True.

Because there is nothing to learn here. Two ideals are opposed:
The one of people believing nothing can excuse the restriction of freedom
The one of people believing the state should always make the choice the most beneficial for the society as a whole

Pick your team, and kill the other. Because no compromise can be done.

[craked5]

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

Ah! I brought dozens of stats considering crimes but the pro gun freedom accept none of them because "correlation != causation".

In their minds culture diversity is enough to explain the fact that USA gets a murder rates 4 times higher than any other civilized Western country xD

Just ignore Tecshare.

He's not only dumb, he's also extremely rude and narrow minded

Stop arguing, he can't think properly. And by that I mean he's not able to think more than one argument at a time, he can't make a reasoning with arguments actually step by step ^^

The NUMBER TWO PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE AGAINST JOKERS WHO TRY TO GET EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO HAVE A GUN.

Ahahah!
Yeah right on that ^^
But again, it's self defense because a gun is meant to kill and the assaillant doesn't want to die