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March 14, 2016, 06:12:42 PM |
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Russian President Putin ordered that Russian Forces will retreat from Syria tomorrow Kremlin declared.
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March 14, 2016, 06:54:56 PM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
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March 14, 2016, 07:13:48 PM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave. I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made. Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up.
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March 14, 2016, 07:25:20 PM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave. I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made. Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up. Because he is smart enough not to get bogged down in the middle east. This has been a problem for Russia in the past. IMO the US strategy was to get him to sap Russia's forces and funding in Syria fighting proxy wars so that the US can make easier ground in places like Ukraine and Georgia. He went in, fucked up USA's proxy forces, then got out. He is a brilliant military strategist IMO.
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March 14, 2016, 07:28:15 PM |
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I just saw that on the news. Putin wants to get out of this mess while he can. That also costs him a lot and he is not doing very well, economy in Russia suffers a lot.
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March 14, 2016, 07:52:54 PM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Refugees also enter Russian territory. Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum
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March 14, 2016, 08:23:34 PM |
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Thats a interesting development and reason for this besides knowing when he is fighting a losing battle? Turkey must be causing some issues that they do not want to get involved in or something else needing more attention in the globe.
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March 14, 2016, 08:46:54 PM Last edit: March 14, 2016, 09:05:20 PM by Balthazar |
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Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave. I really dont understand why putin did that. Everybody is able to google some newspaper headlines, compare the dates and find out that you're lying deliberately. Go and try to find fools elsewhere, please. Refugees also enter Russian territory. Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum It does and UN confirms that more than 900k refugees were accepted since 2014. The only difference here is that, unlike in the EU, you have to behave properly to keep your refugee status. Historically, there is no problem with deportations. And the threat of deportation isn't the only issue.
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galdur
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March 15, 2016, 03:32:31 AM |
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They´re only pulling out part of their forces. They´ve achieved their objective as regards the Latakia area so special forces there and equipment aren´t needed anymore. I think they´re keeping most of the planes in theatre.
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March 15, 2016, 03:38:22 AM |
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That makes more sense, a complete pull out would not help the Syrian regime gain more control.
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March 15, 2016, 03:54:23 AM |
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That makes more sense, a complete pull out would not help the Syrian regime gain more control.
At any rate they´ll have plenty of firepower left in Syria and at the ready from naval units in the Mediterranean and the Caspian Sea.
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March 15, 2016, 05:03:02 AM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave. I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made. Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up. Its always about money. If not why would we start these things? its a behind of the scene act for sure, just like how we were supposed to pull out our troops long time ago. War needs enough reason for good business then screwing everyone local in that country basically as history follows.
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March 15, 2016, 07:01:31 AM |
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This is a good news so that the tension will not escalate into a world war. I have relatives working in middle east and this tension causes more concern among family members. Hope that this problem will be resolved soon.
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March 15, 2016, 10:42:46 AM |
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Russia plans to leave its S-400 air defense missile systems in Syria to protect its remaining military contingent. Read more: http://tass.ru/en/defense/862425
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March 15, 2016, 10:54:11 AM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Refugees also enter Russian territory. Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum Stop your BS. Till now, tens of thousands of Syrian refugees have arrived in Russia. A few thousand of them applied for the refugee status, and most of them received it. The remainder were not happy with the welfare benefit system in Russia, and therefore they moved on to other countries such as Norway, Poland, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark.
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magnific61 (OP)
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March 15, 2016, 11:12:13 AM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Refugees also enter Russian territory. Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum Stop your BS. Till now, tens of thousands of Syrian refugees have arrived in Russia. A few thousand of them applied for the refugee status, and most of them received it. The remainder were not happy with the welfare benefit system in Russia, and therefore they moved on to other countries such as Norway, Poland, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark. But you can easily throw mud to the country which has more than 3 million refugees. Russia has accepted. thousands of refugees! Pfff! Before accepting refugees, stop killing them by airstrikes.
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March 15, 2016, 11:25:21 AM |
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But you can easily throw mud to the country which has more than 3 million refugees. Russia has accepted. thousands of refugees! Pfff! Before accepting refugees, stop killing them by airstrikes.
You are not keeping the 2.7 million from Syria for free. The European Union has already provided you with € 6 billion in funds, and another € 14 billion is on its way. On the other hand, Russia is currently hosting some 3 million Ukrainians, who have fled the civil war in that country. The Russian tax payers are paying for the upkeep of these refugees, not the EU.
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magnific61 (OP)
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March 15, 2016, 11:31:23 AM |
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But you can easily throw mud to the country which has more than 3 million refugees. Russia has accepted. thousands of refugees! Pfff! Before accepting refugees, stop killing them by airstrikes.
You are not keeping the 2.7 million from Syria for free. The European Union has already provided you with € 6 billion in funds, and another € 14 billion is on its way. On the other hand, Russia is currently hosting some 3 million Ukrainians, who have fled the civil war in that country. The Russian tax payers are paying for the upkeep of these refugees, not the EU. European Union did not pay even 1 penny for refugees. They just decided to pay a 3 billion avro fund for Tutkey to hold refugees in its border. But that fund has not been paid yet. By the way, Turkey has so many refugees since war began (5 years) and it has been decided about fund in end of 2015. You should talk with correct informations.
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March 15, 2016, 11:41:18 AM Last edit: March 15, 2016, 11:53:49 AM by Snail2 |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave. I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made. Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up. Russians achieved their tactical and strategic goals: secured their bases over there, secured the survival of their ally in the future (maybe not Assad himself but someone Russia friendly), forced the "moderate opposition" to (at least temporarily) turn against the saudi/turkey/us backed islamists, so they've gained a lot of bargaining chips. I think behind the scenes they've also made some new friendships with the syrian and iraqi kurds, so a pipeline from Iran to the Mediterranean sea through friendly kurdish held territories is possible again and now there's a possible supply route to PKK if the turks would try to oppose that. Now they are partially pulling out with a military and diplomatic victory in their pocket. It appears unlike the US, Russians have learned their lessons in Afghanistan about why not good to be bogged down in local turf wars and such unstable situations. BTW they can go back in days if needed.
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magnific61 (OP)
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March 15, 2016, 02:46:21 PM |
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Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave. I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made. Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up. Russians achieved their tactical and strategic goals: secured their bases over there, secured the survival of their ally in the future (maybe not Assad himself but someone Russia friendly), forced the "moderate opposition" to (at least temporarily) turn against the saudi/turkey/us backed islamists, so they've gained a lot of bargaining chips. I think behind the scenes they've also made some new friendships with the syrian and iraqi kurds, so a pipeline from Iran to the Mediterranean sea through friendly kurdish held territories is possible again and now there's a possible supply route to PKK if the turks would try to oppose that. Now they are partially pulling out with a military and diplomatic victory in their pocket. It appears unlike the US, Russians have learned their lessons in Afghanistan about why not good to be bogged down in local turf wars and such unstable situations. BTW they can go back in days if needed. Big part of russians don't want Russia interfere Syria's internal affairs. Syrian dissidents invites Russian army to the land war. If Russia joins, land war, will give big loss and Russian citizens begin protest Putin's actions. According to my opinion Russia will be loser of that war if doesn't leave Syria.
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