What if classic coup is just a large-scale manipulation by altcoin pumper gang?

[25hashcoin]

https://twitter.com/bit_novosti/status/711404139784187904

Relevant posts:

https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41ge93/bitcoin_classic_is_possibly_a_takeover_attempt_by/

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc_mod_chat/comments/4awht1/allowing_alt_coin_disussion/ (altcoin discussion now being promoted in the classic sub by roger ver)

https://reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4akkkw/vitalik_will_be_speaking_at_coinbase_on_march/
Is coinbase (classic pumpers) part of this?

[odolvlobo]

What if Bitcoin is a really an NSA project?
What if Gavin works for the CIA?

[25hashcoin]

What if Bitcoin is a really an NSA project?
What if Gavin works for the CIA?

The much expected conspiracy mocker/downplayer shows up right on cue.

[Lauda]

The much expected conspiracy mocker/downplayer shows up right on cue.

It was expected.
Well, I'm not really into conspiracy theories usually but if you really consider a few things it could make sense:
1) Repeated attempts to break consensus.
2) ETH bots on Reddit (before the spike)
3) The spammer in the Speculation section changed his pattern from "dump Bitcoin/dying ponzi" to promoting ETH.

It can't all be a coincidence, can it (in addition to the stuff provided by OP)?

[Kprawn]

Imagine Bitcoin is mum and altcoin are kids. Why would child attack it's mom?

There are a lot of examples where kids killed their parents to inherit their money. People will kill their own kids to get their hands on their money. These coincidences are just

to perfectly planned to not be a take over attempt. The saying, the highest tree catch the most wind, comes to mind. The pseudonymous nature of the technology and the

forums, would give these people ideal hiding places to launch these attacks against Bitcoin. There is always some sort of "stress" tests prior to these announcements to make

things worst, than it really is... I will not write it off, knowing what I learned from my time being here. 

[European Central Bank]

Does it qualify as a coup if the majority accept it? If it does happen it'll be because enough people want it to happen.

[Herbert2020]

i don't think that altcoin pumpers has anything to do with all the classic drama going around specially starting it. they use it as much as they can though! it helps their FUD spreading techniques to pump up their coin like exactly what ETH did.

that's a stupid move anyways, attacking bitcoin to move their coin up. because if bitcoin goes the altcoin market dies off right after.
do you really think a business that entrusted a new technology called bitcoin and adopted it with all the shit going around on the media, would look for an alternative if the first thing fails?

[Lauda]

Does it qualify as a coup if the majority accept it? If it does happen it'll be because enough people want it to happen.

Bitcoin is not a democracy and will never function as one. The majority as defined in the current systems does not apply here.

Luckily, Bitcoin was made to be resistant to this, so in the short term I'm optimistic. After many years there could be so many Bitcoin haters that they could derail it. But not today! Today Bitcoin is still with us and operational.

Exactly. Bitcoin was designed so that it would be really hard to change.

What if Bitcoin is a really an NSA project?

It isn't.

What if Gavin works for the CIA?

That possibility exists.

[25hashcoin]

Does it qualify as a coup if the majority accept it? If it does happen it'll be because enough people want it to happen.

Cool made up story. A bunch of sock puppets =/= majority. Even if we included all the classic sockpuppets its not a majority. Even if you weren't bullshitting:





Nice try (not really).

[franky1]

lol and yet no one is unbiased about blockstream

we all know that blockstream loves altcoins and "blockchain" we all know that people such as ICEBREAKER are altcoin supporters.
so the funny thing is that blockstream is just as bad,

i do laugh that blockstream has ties to bankers and silicon valley too.. yet any scenario to push blockstream to the side and keep bitcoin open to everyone instead of a power grab, gets slatted as bad for bitcoin.

bitcoin in short should have no power house. even suggesting that gavin, garzik hearne "resigned" suggests that its a contractual role rather than an open platform for anyone to come and go.

i agree with the fundementals that classics corporate agenda is bad and sways people away from classics code.. but the same has to be said for blockstream

anyone protecting blockstream might aswell be protecting gavin. its that simple. gavin and adamback are 2 cheeks of the same corporate face..

bitcoin should not take any sides, but instead be an open platform for the best code to be implemented by anyone. and for anyone(en mass) to validate that its good clean code.

blockstream has more chances of controling the direction bitcoin goes and forcing people to use altcoins. so please dont make it a "choose blockstream because classic bad"debate.. instead, make it a "choose 2mb+segwit for the benefit of the community and dont blindly follow any corporation" debate

[25hashcoin]

lol and yet no one is unbiased about blockstream

we all know that blockstream loves altcoins and "blockchain" we all know that people such as ICEBREAKER are altcoin supporters.
so the funny thing is that blockstream is just as bad,

i do laugh that blockstream has ties to bankers and silicon valley too.. yet any scenario to push blockstream to the side and keep bitcoin open to everyone instead of a power grab, gets slatted as bad for bitcoin.

bitcoin in short should have no power house. even suggesting that gavin, garzik hearne "resigned" suggests that its a contractual role rather than an open platform for anyone to come and go.

i agree with the fundementals that classics corporate agenda is bad and sways people away from classics code.. but the same has to be said for blockstream

anyone protecting blockstream might aswell be protecting gavin. its that simple. gavin and adamback are 2 cheeks of the same corporate face..

bitcoin should not take any sides, but instead be an open platform for the best code to be implemented by anyone. and for anyone(en mass) to validate that its good clean code.

blockstream has more chances of controling the direction bitcoin goes and forcing people to use altcoins. so please dont make it a "choose blockstream because classic bad"debate.. instead, make it a "choose 2mb+segwit for the benefit of the community and dont blindly follow any corporation" debate

Biggest classic shill on this forum probably ^^ check post history for yourself. In before accused of [insert whatever shill tactic here]. You arent worth anyones time troll.

[pereira4]

lol and yet no one is unbiased about blockstream

we all know that blockstream loves altcoins and "blockchain" we all know that people such as ICEBREAKER are altcoin supporters.
so the funny thing is that blockstream is just as bad,

i do laugh that blockstream has ties to bankers and silicon valley too.. yet any scenario to push blockstream to the side and keep bitcoin open to everyone instead of a power grab, gets slatted as bad for bitcoin.

bitcoin in short should have no power house. even suggesting that gavin, garzik hearne "resigned" suggests that its a contractual role rather than an open platform for anyone to come and go.

i agree with the fundementals that classics corporate agenda is bad and sways people away from classics code.. but the same has to be said for blockstream

anyone protecting blockstream might aswell be protecting gavin. its that simple. gavin and adamback are 2 cheeks of the same corporate face..

bitcoin should not take any sides, but instead be an open platform for the best code to be implemented by anyone. and for anyone(en mass) to validate that its good clean code.

blockstream has more chances of controling the direction bitcoin goes and forcing people to use altcoins. so please dont make it a "choose blockstream because classic bad"debate.. instead, make it a "choose 2mb+segwit for the benefit of the community and dont blindly follow any corporation" debate

How does blockstream stop bitcoin from being "to everyone"... this is getting pretty ridiculous. Those guys are just coming up with ideas to try to compete against the big giants like VISA (something we will never do on-chain).
You are still free to pay for on-chain transactions, I know im not ever going to pay on-chain again as soon as LN goes in unless im extremely paranoid about a transaction because im buying something very valuable (I barely have any BTC so I don't care, it's not like im going to buy a car or a house with BTC).

My transaction will reach the blockchain again with LN just like it would do on-chain. AND if blockstream ever screws up for some reason, and it goes bankrupt and LN fails, we will still have the possibility to use on-chain transactions while other layer-based solutions are developed.

Now imagine that if LN breaks, and all we would have is Bitcoin with a big blocksize and really centralized nodes (and you are delusional if you think those people will stop at 2mb... soon after we have 2mb, they would want more and more, until no one but corporations can run nodes, just like mining).

[7788bitcoin]

There are too many "what if" in the bitcoin story. Many still think bitcoin was created by a Ponzi group or the US gov or even China to test the potential of this disruptive technology.

However, let's just play along- invest only what you can afford to loss...

[odolvlobo]

What if Bitcoin is a really an NSA project?
What if Gavin works for the CIA?

The much expected conspiracy mocker/downplayer shows up right on cue.

The conspiracy mocking and downplaying shows up when the conspiracy has 0 evidence. It's all conjecture. Nobody can take it seriously.

[alyssa85]

i don't think that altcoin pumpers has anything to do with all the classic drama going around specially starting it.

This. The blocksize drama actually started over a year ago and should have been resolved by now.

All that is happening is that people are taking advantage of the fact that it's not resolved. You see this in business all the time. A company drops the ball and a competitor aggressively moves into the space. Expecting competitors to hold fire while this drags on and on and on is naive. Of course they're going to use the vacuum to promote their alts

[hv_]

i don't think that altcoin pumpers has anything to do with all the classic drama going around specially starting it.

This. The blocksize drama actually started over a year ago and should have been resolved by now.

All that is happening is that people are taking advantage of the fact that it's not resolved. You see this in business all the time. A company drops the ball and a competitor aggressively moves into the space. Expecting competitors to hold fire while this drags on and on and on is naive. Of course they're going to use the vacuum to promote their alts

But I really wonder how the big Mio investment is paying off? Can only be by getting BTC cheap now and later get a big news like 'Scaling Solved!'....

[franky1]

seems no one is denying blockstream is a corporation.
seems no one is denying blockstreams has ties to banks
seems no one denies that blockstream prefer people not to use real secure bitcoin ledger transactions and instead want people using less distributed less secure LN hubs.

seems the only one that even tries to say something opposing to me is using personal attacks and insults without any statistics, logic or real data to defend blockstream

it also seems obvious,the blockstream devoted people are also altcoin devoted easily spotted by either their name. their avatar or their post history.

so before you take a personal attack. try to debunk the issue at hand that blockstream is as bad as classic..

[Carlton Banks]

seems no one is denying blockstream is a corporation.
seems no one is denying blockstreams has ties to banks
seems no one denies that blockstream prefer people not to use real secure bitcoin ledger transactions and instead want people using less distributed less secure LN hubs.

seems the only one that even tries to say something opposing to me is using personal attacks and insults without any using statistics, logic or real data to defend blockstream

it also seems obvious,the blockstream devoted people are also altcoin devoted easily spotted by either their name. their avatar or their post history.

so before you take a personal attack. try to debunk the issue at hand that blockstream is as bad as classic..

I didn't notice you using statistics, logic or real data to attack Lightning, um sorry I mean Blockstream. What was it you were saying about the problems using spurious, unqualified name-calling to dismiss ideas you dislike? Do remind us all.

[Bitcoinpro]

What if Bitcoin is a really an NSA project?
What if Gavin works for the CIA?

What If?

[Sir Lagsalot]

The evidence suggests Classic is a collaboration between scammers (Marshall), altcoin Pump & Dump teams (ETH spammers), second-rate devs (Hearn, Andresen & Garzik), aspiring politicans (Olivier) and short-sighted business interests (Brian). This inner group is supported by a veritable botnet of shills and gullible idiots.