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February 02, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
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The free state project is a non-profit with the goal of recruiting 20,000 people who want to live in a society where the maximal role of government is the protection of life liberty and property. 

This project has already shown results and could have world changing influence in years to come.  People who move for the project tend to be interested in alternate currencies.  Some participants attend a bitcoin meetup which just met for the 30th time since it's beginning.  We've been having a lot of fun. 

New Hampshire has at least two storefronts that accept bitcioin.  There is also a good amount of trading in gold and silver.  Please check out the Free State Project and see if it's right for you.

http://freestateproject.org/fsn14

Oh and, they do accept bitcoin donations.

http://freestateproject.org/getinvolved/donate.php

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February 02, 2013, 09:08:50 PM
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I rented a room for $500/month, had to share a bathroom though.  I think $400/month is about as low as you can go.  Of course you can go up  as high as you like.  Prices go up as you go toward the seacoast. 

Here's a website that has several houses for sale I put in Manchester as a test case, but if you want more rural then you should pick somewhere else. 

=Manchester%2C%20NH&PropertyType[]=Residential]http://www.nneren.com/search.html?property_search_action=search&&town[]=Manchester%2C%20NH&PropertyType[]=Residential

Rent in bitcoins?  I know at least two landlords that will accept rent in bitcoins (both no vacancy.)  As we get more and more friendly property owners I'm sure that number will increase. 

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February 02, 2013, 09:41:10 PM
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All rent values I quoted include heat.  Heat can cost a lot up here, keep that in mind if buying property.

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February 02, 2013, 11:26:33 PM
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First place you should be checking for available rooms if you're a free stater is http://porcmanor.com/
[I built that site years ago, and recently sold it to someone who has the time to manage it (but still has a little learning to do so please be nice to her)]

There's a few Facebook groups.

Many free staters are opening up to bitcoins, and if you ask them directly, many will accept it. After all, Manchester NH is the home of the best bitcoin meetup going - #31 will happen tomorrow.

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February 03, 2013, 02:03:10 AM
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I have a buddy here who did an odd computer job for bitcoin.  I expect porcfest will have a lot of bitcoin going around.  Maybe you should come for that if you want to have fun in a camping kind of way.  There is also liberty forum coming up.

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February 03, 2013, 03:03:42 AM
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Yeah, bitcoin hit PorcFest pretty big last year, and I know there's going to be a lot more happening this coming PorcFest. There will be some bitcoin stuff at Liberty Forum, but if you can only do one and really want to *use* bitcoins IRL then PorcFest is your best bet.

Of course bitcoin has a way to go if it wants to catch Shire Silver for PorcFest transactions  Grin

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February 03, 2013, 03:35:03 AM
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February 03, 2013, 07:47:49 AM
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Might be nice to post some pictures.

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February 03, 2013, 10:40:14 AM
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PorcFest - interesting, I'd never heard of it before!
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Hopefuly there is a picture above.  Here's the thread about porcfest.  It has pictures.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89714.0;all


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February 03, 2013, 12:23:13 PM
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As much as I like the sentiment, we should also point out here that there are 195 other countries on this planet all of which offer you a lower chance that you will be a political prisoner. 



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February 04, 2013, 07:05:50 AM
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The free state project is a non-profit with the goal of recruiting 20,000 people who want to live in a society where the maximal role of government is the protection of life liberty and property.  

This project has already shown results and could have world changing influence in years to come.  People who move for the project tend to be interested in alternate currencies.  Some participants attend a bitcoin meetup which just met for the 30th time since it's beginning.  We've been having a lot of fun.  

New Hampshire has at least two storefronts that accept bitcioin.  There is also a good amount of trading in gold and silver.  Please check out the Free State Project and see if it's right for you.

http://freestateproject.org/fsn14

Oh and, they do accept bitcoin donations.

http://freestateproject.org/getinvolved/donate.php

I admire them, but they are not the smartest people. This should happen in municipalities that have no zoning. Those are the most free. Its a more solid foundation to build on. People in no-zoning municipalities have a long and vibrant history of active involvement in successfully opposing government encroachment. Missouri, for instance, has many municipalities with no zoning. I am sure there are others though.
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February 04, 2013, 11:43:54 AM
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I admire them, but they are not the smartest people. This should happen in municipalities that have no zoning. Those are the most free. Its a more solid foundation to build on. People in no-zoning municipalities have a long and vibrant history of active involvement in successfully opposing government encroachment. Missouri, for instance, has many municipalities with no zoning. I am sure there are others though.

Grafton NH. No zoning, the planning board is controlled by free staters and friends. Someone actually got their house plan on a paper napkin (they drew a square) approved, just to prove it could be done. Just a few more free staters moving there and the select board could be solidly pro-liberty. There are other places on NH with no zoning, and a few with no property taxes (combine that with no state income tax and no general sales tax).

Here's a few illustrative anecdotes from Deerfield NH (not the freest place in NH, but indicative of general freedom level).

I built a house across a small pond from the town school. One day one of my roommates was out back shooting at a pile of wood (he's a gun guy and was just practicing). A cop came around the house and my friend waved and said "hi". The cop just waved and said "Someone reported gunfire near the school, so I just had to check it out." The cop then turned around and walked away, and my friend kept shooting.

Another cop incident was when one of the roomies applied for his concealed carry. He paid the $10 and filled out the form at the police station. The next day a cop showed up at the house. We were wondering what for, but he was just bringing the approved license to the guy.

Later on we realized we could use a better berm to shoot into, so we started building one. Didn't ask for permission, just started cutting down trees, moving logs, piling up dirt, etc. A friend (not a free stater but a local) brought over his excavator for free to help. We built up a pretty good berm and started using it every Sunday for what we called "church" AKA church of the gun or church of John Browning. FYI, this was on a 2.2 acre lot.

Anyway, we didn't have any problems for over a year, then one Sunday someone appeared at the door. She was very anti-gun, being a nurse that worked at a trauma center and had been PTSD'd too much. Apparently she'd been spending almost a year going to the police, the town select board, anyone she could to try to get us to stop shooting. They'd all told her there was nothing they could do (and some likely told her they probably wouldn't even if they could). But it turned out she was someone I had met and friended while out walking my dog, so she relaxed and we worked out a deal. She's do all her shopping on Sundays so she'd be out of town, and we'd limit our shooting to Sundays for just a few hours.

If you want proven success, you might check out the NH Liberty Alliance (nhliberty.org). The NH legislature is the easiest to get elected to (about a dozen free staters are currently serving, including a guy who ran as an anarchist). Just check out Jenn Coffey's successes - she got rid of all knife laws in NH.

There's so much going on here that you can't keep track of it all. And we're not even to the point where people are supposed to start moving. Just imagine when the free state project hits its goal of 20,000 signers and the real migration begins.

So yeah, NH might not be the freest state for some particular issue, but overall it is not only the best state in the U.S. to go to but its also the one where you're most likely to see progress in the liberty direction.

http://freestateproject.org/

FYI, I'm mover #103 (out of over 1,000 so far) and I've found a lot of benefits from being an early mover.

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February 04, 2013, 12:42:04 PM
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Bitware is also forgetting that professionals might want to participate in this project.  It is not easy for professionals to move to some unincorporated region.  With this project people can move to unincorporated regions, and still have the support network of professionals.  Professionals have money so you want to have their support. 

There are a lot of diverse backgrounds moving to New Hampshire.  You shouldn't assume that everyone wants to live in an unincorporated region.

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February 04, 2013, 03:53:26 PM
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They'd all told her there was nothing they could do (and some likely told her they probably wouldn't even if they could). But it turned out she was someone I had met and friended while out walking my dog, so she relaxed and we worked out a deal. She's do all her shopping on Sundays so she'd be out of town, and we'd limit our shooting to Sundays for just a few hours.

Hahahahahaha.

Jesus you idiots. So basically the mistake of bad gov't is simply that it didn't have the sense to send some random chick you "friended" to ask nicely? What if the DA was really hot, crawled up to you in just her garters and begged you to give up shooting (a gun) forever? Hm?

No wonder everyone's making fun of this thing of yours.

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February 04, 2013, 04:26:27 PM
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They'd all told her there was nothing they could do (and some likely told her they probably wouldn't even if they could). But it turned out she was someone I had met and friended while out walking my dog, so she relaxed and we worked out a deal. She's do all her shopping on Sundays so she'd be out of town, and we'd limit our shooting to Sundays for just a few hours.

Hahahahahaha.

Jesus you idiots. So basically the mistake of bad gov't is simply that it didn't have the sense to send some random chick you "friended" to ask nicely? What if the DA was really hot, crawled up to you in just her garters and begged you to give up shooting (a gun) forever? Hm?

No wonder everyone's making fun of this thing of yours.

Point is not what he would do for a hot girl. The point is he was and still is free to choose.
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February 04, 2013, 08:10:24 PM
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Point is not what he would do for a hot girl. The point is he was and still is free to choose.

Yeah, and then he takes the first exit. Seems hardly worth all the hassle now doesn't it.

What's wrong with teaching the woman how to fire a rifle instead?

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February 04, 2013, 09:26:57 PM
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We have got a good thing going here.  If you work for freedom you can keep doing what you're doing wherever you are, or you can do it in New Hampshire and be orders of magnitude more effective.  Because we all work together there is so much more that gets done. 

The free state project is a great idea.  The community here is amazing. 

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February 04, 2013, 11:57:45 PM
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Point is not what he would do for a hot girl. The point is he was and still is free to choose.

Yeah, and then he takes the first exit. Seems hardly worth all the hassle now doesn't it.

What's wrong with teaching the woman how to fire a rifle instead?

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February 05, 2013, 12:06:37 AM
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Point is not what he would do for a hot girl. The point is he was and still is free to choose.

Yeah, and then he takes the first exit. Seems hardly worth all the hassle now doesn't it.

What's wrong with teaching the woman how to fire a rifle instead?

She wasn't going to be interested in firing a gun of any kind, that was obvious from talking to her. No big deal, I'm not going to try to force people to do the things I might like to do.

And it also goes to show that if you don't approach things with an antagonistic attitude, it is a lot easier to work things out. She had feared that we would be a bunch of gun-crazy militia types that would treat her badly, but once she saw that the owner of the house was that guy that walks the nice dog that her dogs liked to play with, she was put at ease. That made it possible to come to a peaceful and voluntary agreement.

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