I read the sticky about Unconfirmed transactions...this is different...

[ajvas1]

Hello all,

Ive been sending BTC w/o issue for some time now.  Irecently sent a transction of .7477 BTC to a confirmed address (it wont allow it through for a typo; besides I copy/paste).

It left my wallet and NEVER appeared in the chain.. This happened at exactly 630PM EST last night.  When I checked to see if the chain was down, I got several posts that said it was actually down at 630; but for only a few minutes in each direction.

The transaction is NOT showing up in the chain, and Ive received zero confimation.  Using BitWallet App iphone6.  Screen Caps below:

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwix5PkGvMF9Tko1Nkhyc2FjR00/view?usp=sharing]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwix5PkGvMF9Tko1Nkhyc2FjR00/view?usp=sharing]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwix5PkGvMF9Tko1Nkhyc2FjR00/view?usp=sharing



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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwix5PkGvMF9N05Ca3hJVzVuUGs/view?usp=sharing


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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwix5PkGvMF9RkYwemswVlBwT3M/view?usp=sharing

[achow101]

First of all, the blockchain cannot be "down". The service blockchain.info can though. It is important to distinguish between the two. Blockchain.info IS NOT THE Bitcoin blockchain.

Can you post the transaction id of the transaction or at least the addresses involved?

[ajvas1]

Its all in the image links above...all the info you would need about the transaction...at 630PM last night I sent to the following address; and it went through.  It doesnt appear to have reached the chain at all though...

1KPCH3TpgYC3E8CJCwVfC5K6AsvEvbwawN

I read something about deleting the wallet?  Im bitWallet.  If I delete the entire wallet the transaction left from, does that mean in 24-48 hrs it will return to me?  This is unprecedented for me...all the tools at my disposal to check and recheck transactions are unavailable.

[unamis76]

The transaction was definitely broadcasted, otherwise it wouldn't appear on blockchain.info, it just didn't have any confirmation yet. Deleting the wallet won't help, the transaction will either go through eventually or it will be dropped from the mempools, at which point you can rebroadcast it again (maybe with a bigger fee, to help it go through faster).

[ajvas1]

I am so used to sending transactions through with the proper fee...maybe this time I tried to empty my wallet too completely and the fee never made it in it usual form.

How can you tell its in the blockchain?  All the checks I made showed that it was not there?  How do you know this?  OK, I got something by using the following link:

https://blockchain.info/address/1KPCH3TpgYC3E8CJCwVfC5K6AsvEvbwawN

So its up there with zero confirmations in 24 hrs; and just like the sticky says it could be weeks and weeks?  So there is nothing i can do?  No way to add a larger fee AFTER the fact, huh.  But in your experience, it always EVENTUALLY gets where its going?

[achow101]

I am so used to sending transactions through with the proper fee...maybe this time I tried to empty my wallet too completely and the fee never made it in it usual form.

How can you tell its in the blockchain?  All the checks I made showed that it was not there?  How do you know this?  OK, I got something by using the following link:

https://blockchain.info/address/1KPCH3TpgYC3E8CJCwVfC5K6AsvEvbwawN

So its up there with zero confirmations in 24 hrs; and just like the sticky says it could be weeks and weeks?  So there is nothing i can do?  No way to add a larger fee AFTER the fact, huh.  But in your experience, it always EVENTUALLY gets where its going?

It is not in the blockchain, it is not yet confirmed. However, it is unconfirmed and successfully broadcast to the network, so nodes know about it and can see the transaction.

Your transaction is a little on the low side with the fee, but it isn't too bad. I think it will become confirmed in maybe another day or so. If it doesn't become confirmed, it will probably drop from the network. You can see that by checking multiple block explorers and seeing if the transaction is still there. If it isn't you should be able to send the transaction again with a higher fee.

The transaction will either confirm, or essentially become as if it had never happen. It will not disappear anywhere and the Bitcoin will either end up with who you sent it to or back with you.

[ajvas1]

Not sure how you figured out what fee I paid and whether it was super low or just a little low...but you've been a lifesaver....  I've got you bookmarked and will send whatever donation I can to you thanks.

If it turns out to resolve itself in a day or two like you predict, that would be great.

[yakuza699]

I don't know what are you guys talking about.The fee is more than good but that's not the problem, the transaction has an output of 147 sat.No one will mine this transaction, the transaction is 100% sure not to confirm.

[achow101]

I don't know what are you guys talking about.The fee is more than good but that's not the problem, the transaction has an output of 147 sat.No one will mine this transaction, the transaction is 100% sure not to confirm.

Ah, good catch, I missed that. The fee is a bit on the low side though. With the dust output, it will take longer to confirm, but I have seen several transactions with dust outputs that still confirmed.

[yakuza699]

I don't know what are you guys talking about.The fee is more than good but that's not the problem, the transaction has an output of 147 sat.No one will mine this transaction, the transaction is 100% sure not to confirm.

Ah, good catch, I missed that. The fee is a bit on the low side though. With the dust output, it will take longer to confirm, but I have seen several transactions with dust outputs that still confirmed.

Depends on what you call a dust.To some nodes it's 2730 to some it's 560(?) if this transaction gets confirmed it will be new for me(but it won't) and the fee is 16sat per byte, it's good.

[ranochigo]

I don't know what are you guys talking about.The fee is more than good but that's not the problem, the transaction has an output of 147 sat.No one will mine this transaction, the transaction is 100% sure not to confirm.

Ah, good catch, I missed that. The fee is a bit on the low side though. With the dust output, it will take longer to confirm, but I have seen several transactions with dust outputs that still confirmed.

Depends on what you call a dust.To some nodes it's 2730 to some it's 560(?) if this transaction gets confirmed it will be new for me(but it won't) and the fee is 16sat per byte, it's good.

To be fair, dust is usually 546satoshis for a node with 1000satoshi minimum relay fee, by default. However, one could change the minimum relay fee and the dust threshold would change accordingly[1]. Nodes do not relay transactions with outputs below the dust threshold. As a rough estimate, majority of the network uses Classic[2] and Core[1] which has a dust threshold of 546 satoshis by default. It boils down to whether a miner would want to accept it.


[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/primitives/transaction.h#L163
[2] https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/blob/develop/src/primitives/transaction.h#L140

[achow101]

I don't know what are you guys talking about.The fee is more than good but that's not the problem, the transaction has an output of 147 sat.No one will mine this transaction, the transaction is 100% sure not to confirm.

Ah, good catch, I missed that. The fee is a bit on the low side though. With the dust output, it will take longer to confirm, but I have seen several transactions with dust outputs that still confirmed.

Depends on what you call a dust.To some nodes it's 2730 to some it's 560(?) if this transaction gets confirmed it will be new for me(but it won't) and the fee is 16sat per byte, it's good.

To be fair, dust is usually 546satoshis for a node with 1000satoshi minimum relay fee, by default. However, one could change the minimum relay fee and the dust threshold would change accordingly[1]. Nodes do not relay transactions with outputs below the dust threshold. As a rough estimate, majority of the network uses Classic[2] and Core[1] which has a dust threshold of 546 satoshis by default. It boils down to whether a miner would want to accept it.


[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/primitives/transaction.h#L163
[2] https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/blob/develop/src/primitives/transaction.h#L140

Actually for Core 0.11.2+ the dust output is 2730 satoshis. The minimum relay fee was bumped in 0.11.2 to address the spam attacks and this increased the dust output threshold to 2730 satoshis. It just wasn't updated in those comments to reflect this change. Also, with 0.12, the min relay fee is now variable depending on the state of the node's mempool so the dust threshold could fluctuate a lot from node to node.