Bitcoin Forum
November 02, 2024, 05:49:39 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 28.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: New altcoin questions.....  (Read 715 times)
DarkClam (OP)
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 51
Merit: 0


View Profile
March 22, 2016, 03:46:12 AM
 #1

There are many alt coins that have been premined to death. But what's everyones opinion on sligh premining to creator/devs?

bathrobehero
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2002
Merit: 1051


ICO? Not even once.


View Profile
March 22, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
 #2

My main problem with premine is that it gives devs too much control because they own the majority (or close to it) of coins in the beginning.
And of course once they sell it in the beginning they are not motivated to keep improving the coin which is why so many premined coins were dumped and abandoned.

I think a dev fee is the best, where a small percentage of every block (~0.5%) automatically goes to a dev address.

Not your keys, not your coins!
tiggytomb
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1848
Merit: 1000


View Profile
March 22, 2016, 12:21:57 PM
 #3

If it is a small portion of the total amount of coins then it shouldn't really be an issue, but if it gets to a crazy percentage then what is the point in others joining in.
Spoetnik
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1540
Merit: 1011


FUD Philanthropist™


View Profile
March 22, 2016, 12:57:10 PM
 #4

They are bad.
You have to hold their feet to the fire over it and no on ever does.

But in comparison to an IPO or ICO coin then ya they are better..
All an IPO/ICO is ..is a 100% premined Coin.

FUD first & ask questions later™
kelsey
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000


View Profile
March 22, 2016, 01:15:37 PM
 #5

There are many alt coins that have been premined to death. But what's everyones opinion on sligh premining to creator/devs?

the issue that seems to be lost on so many here, is premine defeats one main purposes of the push for a p2p currency in the first place i.e. taking the money changes out of the equation.

arbitrage
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 560
Merit: 500



View Profile
March 22, 2016, 05:32:59 PM
 #6

They are bad.
You have to hold their feet to the fire over it and no on ever does.

But in comparison to an IPO or ICO coin then ya they are better..
All an IPO/ICO is ..is a 100% premined Coin.
Sometime i missing good old days when premined coins were 1% and everybody was happy. And if you think this is bad but we can accept this risk, but ICO is PURE EVIL and we must fight against it.
The Sceptical Chymist
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3514
Merit: 6984


Top Crypto Casino


View Profile
March 22, 2016, 10:27:18 PM
 #7

There are many alt coins that have been premined to death. But what's everyones opinion on sligh premining to creator/devs?

the issue that seems to be lost on so many here, is premine defeats one main purposes of the push for a p2p currency in the first place i.e. taking the money changes out of the equation.


Yes that's a good point.  Most of the shitcoins are not trying to live up to any crypto ideal, I'm sure.  Most exist to enrich the devs and that's it.  But I still like Dash in spite of the premine.

███████████████████████
████▐██▄█████████████████
████▐██████▄▄▄███████████
████▐████▄█████▄▄████████
████▐█████▀▀▀▀▀███▄██████
████▐███▀████████████████
████▐█████████▄█████▌████
████▐██▌█████▀██████▌████
████▐██████████▀████▌████
█████▀███▄█████▄███▀█████
███████▀█████████▀███████
██████████▀███▀██████████

███████████████████████
.
BC.GAME
▄▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄▄
▄▀▀░▄██▀░▀██▄░▀▀▄
▄▀░▐▀▄░▀░░▀░░▀░▄▀▌░▀▄
▄▀▄█▐░▀▄▀▀▀▀▀▄▀░▌█▄▀▄
▄▀░▀░░█░▄███████▄░█░░▀░▀▄
█░█░▀░█████████████░▀░█░█
█░██░▀█▀▀█▄▄█▀▀█▀░██░█
█░█▀██░█▀▀██▀▀█░██▀█░█
▀▄▀██░░░▀▀▄▌▐▄▀▀░░░██▀▄▀
▀▄▀██░░▄░▀▄█▄▀░▄░░██▀▄▀
▀▄░▀█░▄▄▄░▀░▄▄▄░█▀░▄▀
▀▄▄▀▀███▄███▀▀▄▄▀
██████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██████
.
..CASINO....SPORTS....RACING..


▄▄████▄▄
▄███▀▀███▄
██████████
▀███▄░▄██▀
▄▄████▄▄░▀█▀▄██▀▄▄████▄▄
▄███▀▀▀████▄▄██▀▄███▀▀███▄
███████▄▄▀▀████▄▄▀▀███████
▀███▄▄███▀░░░▀▀████▄▄▄███▀
▀▀████▀▀████████▀▀████▀▀
DarkClam (OP)
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 51
Merit: 0


View Profile
March 23, 2016, 03:26:22 AM
 #8

Thanks for all the input. I have talked with the other dev and we have came up with a way to fairly distribute the coins. We will be working similiar to CLAM. As soon as the project gets further along, ill make an announcement in the alt coin section.


Along with exchanges *hopefully, we will be making a dice site of course, but also, setting up a store where you can buy tshirts with the coin.
zeitman007
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 24
Merit: 0


View Profile
March 23, 2016, 03:53:34 AM
 #9

If the dev holds the coins in a publicly known address and provided tx ids for every transaction and what it was for, involving known members of BTCtalk, then thats about as legit as you can get when it comes to a premine.  At least then you know that most likely everything has gone to legit development purposes.
unusualfacts30
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1540
Merit: 500



View Profile
March 23, 2016, 07:51:48 AM
 #10

I think it's fair for dev to premine small amount, lets says 5% of total coins but anything over it is risky. Dev is doing all the work so he does deserve to premine some of it so he can reap the benefits if his coin succeeds.

Decentralized
Asset-Backed Banking

  ▄▄██████████████████
 █████████████████████
█████▀▀
████▀    ████
████     ████
████     ████
         ████     ████
         ████    ▄████
               ▄▄█████
█████████████████████
██████████████████▀▀ 
.TheStandard.io.█▀▀▀











█▄▄▄
▀▀▀█











▄▄▄█
████████████████████████████
████████████████████████████
████████████████████████████
█████████████████▀▀  ███████
█████████████▀▀      ███████
█████████▀▀   ▄▄     ███████
█████▀▀    ▄█▀▀     ████████
█████████ █▀        ████████
█████████ █ ▄███▄   ████████
██████████████████▄▄████████
████████████████████████████
████████████████████████████
████████████████████████████
Ayers
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2800
Merit: 1024


Vave.com - Crypto Casino


View Profile
March 23, 2016, 08:08:12 AM
 #11

it's not only about premine, it's about the block reward ratio with the premine, if you have  acoin with 3 coin per block and the premine is 100k, let's say only 1% prmeine, this is still huge and not acceptable

jamesbo
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 60
Merit: 10


View Profile
March 23, 2016, 03:16:31 PM
 #12

go and get some cann, it is the right time of the year. thank me later

ETH  0x5086ebdfba8aaf9843b1c5c68e1c260b6d356fce
Red-Apple
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1470
Merit: 655


View Profile
March 23, 2016, 03:22:38 PM
 #13

my personal experience with all the premines that i have seen so far is that they are all going to come back and bite the investors in the a$$ because those premine coins are giving a small group too much control over the coin that they can swing the price around as they wish.

--signature space for rent; sent PM--
arbitrage
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 560
Merit: 500



View Profile
March 23, 2016, 04:04:39 PM
 #14

it's not only about premine, it's about the block reward ratio with the premine, if you have  acoin with 3 coin per block and the premine is 100k, let's say only 1% prmeine, this is still huge and not acceptable
You're maybe right but this system is probably best if premine coins are hold by escrow service and they can be released partially after conducting some work or similar. But over 1% is very huge and i'm against it! But when you think on ICO without escrow you only can imagine how this is bad and they will be prosecuted all involved in those scams, one day.
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!