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March 22, 2016, 04:24:01 PM
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Didnt even know Bitcoins could be taxed.

Here is the article:

http://waldorftrust.com/blog-post/japan-debates-its-bitcoins-tax/
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March 23, 2016, 07:51:08 AM
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of course it can be taxed, if a citizen that use bitcoin want to declare his revenue from it, it will be taxed like any other fiat money

taxing directly bitcoin is a bit more difficult for the government if their citizenz are not willing to help by declaring their income per year
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April 10, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
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Yes, bitcoin can be taxed but the process could be a bit challenging. This is why the government of many countries decided to define it as non-taxable for the time being.

However, if bitcoin continue to grow, new regulations will sure come out to include bitcoin use in tax.

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April 10, 2016, 10:15:53 AM
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Its hard to tax them looking how they can be hard to trace
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April 10, 2016, 04:59:13 PM
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Why wouldn't it be taxed.  It is money.  These kinds of debates are a good thing for bitcoin and can help with further adoption by making newcomers see it is treated like a real currency.

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April 11, 2016, 01:14:11 AM
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I love the guys on here who don't think it's gonna be taxed because it's kinda special. If there's money in it then it will.
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April 18, 2016, 04:18:04 AM
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Glad to know Japanese Government is working on Bitcoin regulation. However, can a bitcoiner pay his/her tax using... bitcoin- since it may be considered as money?

It will be big news if Japanese Government becomes the first to put on the "BITCOIN ACCEPTED" signs outside their tax office.

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April 18, 2016, 04:32:44 AM
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Its hard to tax them looking how they can be hard to trace
only company will be taxed for its profit and revenues,and maybe every transaction on few online shops which accept bitcoin will be taxed as well and will be added into payment billing

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April 19, 2016, 08:00:41 PM
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It is money so it will definitely be taxed. In that way, bitcoins are regulated in a manner. However, it is kind of unfair for the Japanese if only Japan would have bitcoins tax.
I also read that the proposed tax for bitcoin transactions is 8%. Isn't that a little... high?
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April 20, 2016, 11:04:19 AM
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If Japan is taxing Bitcoin then for me they are implicitly acknowledging it as real money.

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December 16, 2017, 10:40:31 AM
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of course it can be taxed, if a citizen that use bitcoin want to declare his revenue from it, it will be taxed like any other fiat money

taxing directly bitcoin is a bit more difficult for the government if their citizenz are not willing to help by declaring their income per year

And who wants to pay taxes and go directly to the pocket of corrupt government ? bitcoin can be really taxable and they can mandate its people to declare their income simply because the technology of bitcoin that makes it more unique, I think government should support everyone because it can boost the economy.
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December 16, 2017, 12:31:46 PM
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Didnt even know Bitcoins could be taxed.

Here is the article:

http://waldorftrust.com/blog-post/japan-debates-its-bitcoins-tax/

No bitcoin is free and can’t be taxing only pay small fee when sending.

only exchange to cash can be taxed by government.
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December 16, 2017, 03:03:03 PM
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I love the guys on here who don't think it's gonna be taxed because it's kinda special. If there's money in it then it will.
I don't agree. There will be attempts by the state to its part of the money from the users. But I think that everything depends on us. If we don't want to pay taxes on our income then nothing happens. It is impossible to ensure the collection of taxes only repressive methods. The more pressure States the more we go into the shadows.

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December 16, 2017, 05:09:23 PM
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I love the guys on here who don't think it's gonna be taxed because it's kinda special. If there's money in it then it will.
I don't agree. There will be attempts by the state to its part of the money from the users. But I think that everything depends on us. If we don't want to pay taxes on our income then nothing happens. It is impossible to ensure the collection of taxes only repressive methods. The more pressure States the more we go into the shadows.

If you don't declare your bitcoin or crypto's  I don't think that the government can tax it. So you might as well store you crypto's in your wallet and just hold on it for as long as you can. The problem lies when you want to cash it out. You need to go to a exchange to do that. But exchanges requires your identification for KYC/AML compliant. So there's the issue now. The government will know how much bitcoin you got or how much are funds you are moving through blockchain. And you know what's next, they will go after you for non payment of tax, so its gonna be ugly. But as far as Japan is concern, since they already legalized so I don't think they need to tax if, but I could be wrong here.

Edit: https://cointelegraph.com/news/its-official-japan-has-eliminated-tax-on-bitcoin-rise-in-trading-expected

Its an old article though, maybe they have updated it or something. But I'm not sure.

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December 16, 2017, 08:37:11 PM
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yes it can be taxed, if a user who uses bitcoin wants to declare his income and those bitcoin traced ,
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I don't agree. There will be attempts by the state to its part of the money from the users. But I think that everything depends on us. If we don't want to pay taxes on our income then nothing happens. It is impossible to ensure the collection of taxes only repressive methods. The more pressure States the more we go into the shadows.

If you don't declare your bitcoin or crypto's  I don't think that the government can tax it. So you might as well store you crypto's in your wallet and just hold on it for as long as you can. The problem lies when you want to cash it out. You need to go to a exchange to do that. But exchanges requires your identification for KYC/AML compliant. So there's the issue now.

Now that Bitcoin is going mainstream, it's time to get smarter about privacy than that. Exchanges that are AML/KYC compliant are just the lowest hanging fruit. There are many other ways to link wallets to identities. Many millions of dollars have been pouring into blockchain analysis companies. For example, the IRS is already working with Chainalysis and using its software to identity tax evaders.

These companies crawl the internet drawing links among addresses, and the scary thing is that people tend to leave lots of tracks behind: sloppy use of UTXOs/lack of mixing, lack of TOR use = lots of cookies and IP evidence left behind, etc. This shit all gets stored in a database somewhere and someday, it could come back to haunt us if we aren't careful, since the blockchain is permanent and public. Because of the volume of new investor activity, the focus is on exchanges now. But long term, we need to get smarter.

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I don't agree. There will be attempts by the state to its part of the money from the users. But I think that everything depends on us. If we don't want to pay taxes on our income then nothing happens. It is impossible to ensure the collection of taxes only repressive methods. The more pressure States the more we go into the shadows.

If you don't declare your bitcoin or crypto's  I don't think that the government can tax it. So you might as well store you crypto's in your wallet and just hold on it for as long as you can. The problem lies when you want to cash it out. You need to go to a exchange to do that. But exchanges requires your identification for KYC/AML compliant. So there's the issue now.

Now that Bitcoin is going mainstream, it's time to get smarter about privacy than that. Exchanges that are AML/KYC compliant are just the lowest hanging fruit. There are many other ways to link wallets to identities. Many millions of dollars have been pouring into blockchain analysis companies. For example, the IRS is already working with Chainalysis and using its software to identity tax evaders.

These companies crawl the internet drawing links among addresses, and the scary thing is that people tend to leave lots of tracks behind: sloppy use of UTXOs/lack of mixing, lack of TOR use = lots of cookies and IP evidence left behind, etc. This shit all gets stored in a database somewhere and someday, it could come back to haunt us if we aren't careful, since the blockchain is permanent and public. Because of the volume of new investor activity, the focus is on exchanges now. But long term, we need to get smarter.

This one for is one of the most realistic issues on how bitcoin would pull people down. It just depends on each cash services in our country on how they would address issues like these. If they would give info about their costumers, then it would just lead to some issues regarding privacy and that company would just go down. Because it is a risk also for these exchange sites if they got caught by some identity notifications.
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December 17, 2017, 06:34:06 AM
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Japan is one of the digital currency front runners, and it has already legalized the use of digital currencies. Recently it issued licenses to 11 bitcoin exchanges, showing the bond between Japanese regulators, the exchanges, and the crypto community.
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December 18, 2017, 10:57:56 AM
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Most Japanese (like most westerners, I think) are still pretty much unaware of the profound significance of the blockchain, much less how it might change the world. The typical Japanese person knows very little about bitcoin, though there are enough buying it to strain the exchanges now.I think many see it as a way of hedging against a collapse of the yen, though I expect purchases will pick up.
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December 19, 2017, 03:51:11 AM
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To impose a bitcomne tax the state can take some measures on this issue.
     First, the state simply can oblige all citizens to voluntarily pay tax on profits from operations with bitkoyn, while establishing criminal liability for tax evasion. Many will be afraid of such responsibility and voluntarily declare their incomes in bitkoyne.
     Secondly, the state can oblige all banks, exchangers, and exchanges for the purchase and sale of crypto-currencies to automatically incur additional income from such operations. At the same time, either there will be an obligation to provide your documents and other data for identification of the person, or not.

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