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March 23, 2016, 05:01:35 PM
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Politics is stuck in the economic collapse of liberal socialism until the boomers stop vomiting

A copy of an email to my mother.

Note I only put about 15 minutes into writing this, because I am in rush. I don't think it is written very well and the concepts could be better organized and articulated. Also I forgot to go into the other point that had caused my mom to feel threatened and depressed, when I mentioned that the USA will fracture into regions. Here are links to the logic on the coming breakup of the USA (e.g. the southern Bible Belt will break away from the Liberals in the north, in a repeat of the Boston Tea Party "Taxation without representation" protest as the global economy goes over the cliff in 2018 ... note Europe is already going over the cliff now with Liberalism facilitated Muslim invasion compounding the sovereign debt crisis of the EU):

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aarmstrongeconomics.com+breakup+USA

Anyone who thinks Eric Raymond is not a genius, read this:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7060#more-7060

And no I don't hate Muslims specifically. I merely acknowledge the impact and free market raison d’être of religions including the feminist variety:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg14013907#msg14013907

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Mom,

Make sure you read the entire message before letting your emotions explode. Calm rationality please.

When your emotions explode (as they did on the phone yesterday evening with me), then you put words in my mouth that I did not say and you then do not allow me to speak so that I may clarify.

For example, you went off on a tirade about how I was accusing you of being in control and how you have no control, and I was trying to speak so I could not only explain the following paragraphs, but also so I could explain that it is not you specifically who has any control, but rather the irrational, intellectually dishonest, selfishness of the boomers which is in control, because there was a bubble of births after WW2 thus the boomers have the most voters. Boomers share a certain set of values which derive from their experience of being incredibly spoiled by the golden 1950s (their parents coming out of Great Depression and WW2, the USA became the strongest economically in the world) affording them the luxury of pursing intellectually dishonest liberalism, e.g. feminism and socialism:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-in-the-media/a-vision-for-the-youth/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/what-socialism-destroyed-govt-shutdown/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/socialism-at-its-best-how-to-destroy-the-wealth-of-a-nation/

Some Iron Laws of Political Economics:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984

Others have stated that the boomers are the most selfish generation because it has always been about what is best for them, not what is intellectually honest and rational. The X gens are much more ruthlessly pragmatic. We question everything and we want the facts, not the political obfuscations. That doesn't mean I don't love you. It doesn't mean I want you to die. As you alleged on the phone. I am just stating facts. I prefer our generations could work together, but every time I interact with a boomer they become disingenuous when their intellectually dishonest vested interests are threatened. Another recent example is how I explained in technical detail (in a comment post to his blog) to my former boss (from Fractal Design in Aptos, CA when we made what is now Corel Painter) who was close with Steve Jobs and still works at Apple, that Apple Pay is flawed compared to a hypothetical crypto currency, he (a boomer) ostensibly changed his tune from being chatty(I didn't notice he had posted another reply) and supportive of me to ostensibly censoring my blog post(my blog comment post has appeared) and deleting me as one of his contacts on LinkedIn (perhaps it is possible that he hid or removed his profile on LinkedIn, and I haven't bothered to verify). Here is a link to a copy of what I had written at his blog:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1399040.0

And here is a link to my last comment on his blog:

http://relativisticobserver.blogspot.com/2015/11/rapidly-growing-niche.html?showComment=1458168442723#c4266073379197244313

It appears to me that you entirely lose control of your ability to have a calm, rational, discussion where both sides can present their side and not be interrupted by emotional tirade. You seem to do this on issues that do not adhere to your world view. In other words, it is your way or the highway; and you do not respect the views of others. Feminism for example is sham that is built on such analogous intellectual dishonesty. If you have any shred of ethical objectivity, then read a 160 IQ writer, mathematician, and computer scientist (i.e. an extremely rational man) who is for empowering women and sexual freedom, so you can learn something new about yourself and your intellectually dishonest politics:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aesr.ibiblio.org+feminism

I don't support Trump because he thinks he can solve our problems with a dictatorship. Nevertheless, your irrational attack against Trump (about him denying knowing David Duke) is the analogous emotional kafkatrapping to the feminist intellectually dishonest political power trap:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907

Trump is handling the KKK issue politically because he understands very well that the liberals are trying to divide-and-conquer his base of supporters. The establishment politics doesn't like the fact that Trump attacks liberalism. Come on, don't tell me your IQ is too low to understand that.

My verbal IQ is not that high, but my IQ in terms of understanding the generative essence and structure of issues apparently so far above yours that we can't even have a rational conversation. Or more likely, you have the IQ, but your vested interests hindbrain blocks you from reading, learning, and using your pre-frontal cortex on issues that impact the feminist intellectually dishonest empowerment religion. Read Eric Raymond explain how the feminists are not about empowering women but rather about creating a context within which those who can manipulate the movement can steal the most from the collective (the Iron Law of Political Economics strikes again). Feminist leaders replace a meritocracy and rationality with completely dysfunctional socialism where they control the politics not according to intellectual honesty and rationality, but by hatchet jobs on males (which actually destroy females who end up all alone as you are and as Eric Raymond explains in some of his essays I linked for you above via Google search).

If you respect your fellow man, and especially your son and the X generation, why not be intellectually honest with yourself and take a few hours to read the Google linked essays above. Excuses about you have too many other priorities, are just excuses. If you don't take time to learn new things and to respect the views of others, then how do you expect anyone to respect you and have an intelligent conversation with you.

You are only lowering yourself. I refuse to be ignorant. I challenge my own values continuously. I read the logic presented by all sides. If you can refute Eric Raymond's essays, let me hear it. Hahaha. Just try! If you think you are smart.

It is not about disempowering women. Rather it is about recognizing the facts and the realities of for example hypergamy! Read Eric's analysis so you don't remain ignorant. Or remain ignorant. I don't have any more time to waste on trying to work with the boomers. It is time to route around the their cancerous politics and ignorant delusions.

And don't even get me started about 9/11 conspiracy. I am engineer. I studied the facts. The engineering analysis is irrefutable. But since you are not an engineer and not rational, it is pointless to try to explain the facts to you.

What does it take for a son to get respect for the details he knows that his mother does not know? A son who listens intently on the issues he realizes his mother knows better than him. Mutual respect is what is lacking.


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A whole generation of men have been lied to and sold into the feminist narrative because their generation of mothers decided to choose their own self preferential double standards over their own blood. Now these men are growing up and realizing how full of shit their mothers are. Of course they don't want to admit to selling out their own sons to maintain their own position of privilege, and that of the next generation of women partnering with them. In order to do that they would have to examine a lifetime of lying to themselves as well as their loved ones. Chances are that is never going to happen. Cue the crying and refractory accusations and claiming of victim-hood by the perpetrators.
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March 23, 2016, 07:39:18 PM
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You patronise your mother, you insult her intelligence, you attempt to undermine her by appeals to obscure authorities she likely has little inkling of, you berate her over things beyond her control - you abuse your mother.

I'd like to say that your mother deserves better - but in truth your mother has a lot to answer for  Roll Eyes
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You patronise your mother, you insult her intelligence, you attempt to undermine her by appeals to obscure authorities she likely has little inkling of, you berate her over things beyond her control - you abuse your mother.

I'd like to say that your mother deserves better - but in truth your mother has a lot to answer for  Roll Eyes

Thanks for your feedback as it is very indicative of the kafkatrapping, political correct speech crap that dominates the West.

And you are well known to be a liberal socialist.

I have attempted to relay the facts to her over the past several years and she covers her eyes and ears and thinks negatively (or pity?) about me because I try to share that which she characterizes as "gloom and doom" from her perspective. Yeah I understand liberal socialists think any default on their bankrupt agenda is "doom and gloom". Reality was never their creed.

In this particular case, I wasn't trying to ram any information down her throat. She was venting about Trump and I had to responding rationally instead of being a "yes ma'am" tool. When I pointed out that Trump is just an early sign of the breakup of the USA and that all of this had been predicted years ago by Armstrong's computer, she became distraught to the point of telling me to not speak another word on the issues or hangup.

I wrote this to her to try to help her because her life is ostensibly being hampered by a fraudulent ideology (although I think it so deeply engrained in her personality now at age 70 that the only point was to make sure she understood I was being rational so she can't blame me to support a delusion of self-pity). And I published this, because other X generation men might be in a similar predicament as me and need some help on understanding the generative essence of their conflict with their boomer parents.

I also published this to explain some of the dysfunction some of X gen males have had to slog through in life.

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March 23, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
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Yeah, that's why I said 2032 is possibly the date we will see socialism finally go extinct.

There's strong divides appearing now with people beginning to realize the problem is socialism, it's suffocating the life out of the middle class.

The delusional youth supporting it have yet to feel that suffocation, but they will.

MA believes socialism will be 90% extinct by 2032.95, I agree with him on this.

See also this:

http://relativisticobserver.blogspot.com/2015/11/rapidly-growing-niche.html?showComment=1458758870054#c7494278038077251657

And this followup:

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Edging into a new topic for the moment, I read recently that one way PEOPLE may get to be better able to secure their iPhones (and others) would be for someone to write cunning little apps to do that.  I can think of one or two possibilities already (one would be to mimic the iPhone being off and then require a new password, perhaps another to hide info that a user would want hidden if an FBI were to break into the phone, I am sure other ideas would come along...).

Perhaps the apps writers would have to be outside the USA.  And I suppose Apple might have its own requirements (burdens) on such apps to make them accessible to AAPL itself or the FBI/NSA.

What's say TPTB?  That might be a fairly quick way to make a buck...

The operating system and hardware vendor can undermine any security programmed into an App.

We need to move to completely open sourced OSes and hardware, but even Android is not that.

Sorry you won't be able to hide from the backdoor if Apple loses their case.

Based on the extremely limited contacts I have w/ cryptographers (and limited reading), it is my opinion that a large group of concerned folks like us can make it VERY HARD for LE to get some information, even on cellphones.  (Not including phone call info of course)

That is incorrect. The OS and hardware can be designed to leak everything. Although perhaps the encryption could be done on a USB dongle mini-computer (plugged into the user's computing device) that is running custom open source OS and hardware.

What is very hard is to hide that the OS and hardware has that capability. Easier to hide if closed-sourced. But knowing it has that capability won't help us prevent it from leaking the data. Well I guess it could if we refuse to connect our device to any network. But who the hell is going to use a mobile device that is never connected to any network.

The only technical solution is to open source all the OS and the hardware. But we can't open source the hardware because the foundries can be subjected to a national security gag order.

The only non-technical solution is political. And the politics won't be improving until the boomers are gone. If Apple loses the case and the government mandates a backdoor on encryption, then computing is fucked. Because any backdoor can be hacked. The tech giants are all fighting the government on this. It would lead to a computing Dark Age. If they explain it properly hopefully the political support exists to stop the government.

But that might not even stop the NSA from handing out national security gag orders and finding some way to put a backdoor in the hardware.

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Yeah, that's why I said 2032 is possibly the date we will see socialism finally go extinct.

There's strong divides appearing now with people beginning to realize the problem is socialism, it's suffocating the life out of the middle class.


It isn't suffocating the life out of them in the UK - Junior doctors escalate industrial action to all-out strike next month

However, just to prove that I'm not completely trolling your thread, I'm going to agree with you on something - and that something is this :-

She was venting about Trump and I had to respond rationally instead of being a "yes ma'am" tool. When I pointed out that Trump is just an early sign of the breakup of the USA

You could be onto something there.

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Btw my mother has non-publicly criticized me behind my back in the past, belittling my attempts to relay such information to her. An arrogant or ignorant pride is the way I perceived it. She was very angry at the person who told me she was doing this. And she claims to not being doing this any more. And I feel like a snake for publishing this not just to a few private individuals but publicly. But how else are X gen males going to understand, if they don't have examples like this to relate to.

And more importantly, how can I vent years of frustration. I don't want to hurt my mother. I hope this doesn't get back to her. And I hope none of you ever know of her by name.

If I had taken more time to cool down (not anger but just fired up enough to bother even writing the OP), I probably would not have posted it. But also since I took the time to write it and explain, I felt my effort is wasted if I only send it to my mom. The effort has the most value (actually impact, maybe poor value for me personally) open sourced.

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Yeah, that's why I said 2032 is possibly the date we will see socialism finally go extinct.

There's strong divides appearing now with people beginning to realize the problem is socialism, it's suffocating the life out of the middle class.

It isn't suffocating the life out of them in the UK - Junior doctors escalate industrial action to all-out strike next month

Unions are an integral element of liberal socialism and they destroy the middle class:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/evolutionary-process-of-labor/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/unions-out-of-control-the-real-poison-pill/

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6541 (Why labor unions have lost their moxie)

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5034 (Fixing the fast-food strike)

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=264 (Outsourcing breeds more jobs)

The dramatic crossover from short to long-term unemployment in the rest of the working population is, I suspect, the result of my two friends multiplied by umpty-bump million. This is the job market exiling people who can’t generate enough value at work enough to cover the tax, regulatory, and deadweight costs of their employment. And I mean that “deadweight” as a very broad category including the effects of minimum-wage laws, the Davis-Bacon act, union work rules, diversity mandates, and all of the other ways we pile social costs onto employers. Obamacare, of course, will be yet another and can be expected to depress employment still further.



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On the positive side, my mother is very consistent about encouraging females (and males) to get an education (although she pretty well scattered mine, but I had never faulted her for that since my father did leave when I was 5). My sister was murdered (or suicide?) in 2006 and I wasn't able to speak to her ever again after 2001 (which btw was when I was recovering from 3 surgeries over several months to save my blinded right eyeball) because I refused to give her $5000 to bribe a judge to get her drug addict murderer husband out of jail and then my parents supported the position of not allowing me communicate with her. My father's wife won't let him communicate with me. My beloved, traditional grandparents have all passed on. And my mother loves her children and grandchildren. And she is very astute about respecting other people's rights and relationships. And she is very concerned about the humanitarian perspective, such as she has lot of empathy for Muslims who are escaping the war in the Middle East and migrating to Europe. My guess is she thinks guaranteeing these humanitarian goals requires the government make it available and thus I presume that is a why she is aghast about a breakup of the USA with the Bible Belt reverting some of the liberalism.

I think she is oblivious to the fraud and delusion of feminism as a movement, as are so many of the boomers. Because it was the idealism of the 1960s that defines how they value their generation. They actually are under the delusion they were improving the world with liberal socialism.  Roll Eyes Piling on $trillions of sovereign debt can sustain such an illusion until the Minsky Moment hits in 2018 (earlier for Europe, now for China). Boomers have been spoiled since the moment they were born and the debt-driven delusion of liberal socialism is just another of their spoiled escapades that we will be paying for after they are gone.

Let's just hope they don't legitimize any government to require a backdoor on all encryption and send the internet and our global economy into a 600 year Dark Age of totalitarianism. I don't think they will win, but the up and coming China is also apparently upping the ante from 2032.95 forward.

China launched a mandatory centralized social network[1] which requires all Chinese citizens to report their friends who criticize the Communist Party.

I think it is difficult for boomers who grew up with traditional parents, stability, and the true devotion of their traditional parents, to comprehend what they have done to us. I am not a person to blame my life on anyone else. When I traveled to the Philippines and coded CoolPage from abject poverty in a Nipa Hut in a hyper-densely populated squalor swamp infested with mosquito born diseases and weekly bouts of dysentery and Giardia, contracted Typhoid and Dengue fevers (probably more than once, which is supposed to be very destructive to the immune system), I realized some people had it worse than me. I had to experience their life to really comprehend. I take responsibility for my life and take matters into my hands. My mother said yesterday when I alleged the boomers were collectively legitimizing the political corruption, "what are you doing about it?". I replied, "good point". Enough said.

And my parents, relatives, and former co-workers were all, "And why did you do that to yourself!?!? Huh".

You never know until you've walked in the other person's shoes. So I guess I can't comprehend the boomers' "sacrifice"? Sacrifice?

Well my mother sacrificed 9 months of carrying me in her womb and another pain of tearing up her orifice to push me out into the world. And then doing her best as a husband-less 20-something to keep me sheltered, fed, and in school. Who would presume a son doesn't love his parents and wants anything negative for them. Well I must admit I put nails under the tires of my Dad's Triump TR6 convertible when I was 5 years old. Maybe it was because they said I was holding on to his belt loops and refusing to let him leave. Then again, I also helped him design the framing for the wood bed platform for the back of his VW bus when I was 5. That was a piece of cake since I was already employing tools and taking apart my toys in the earliest pictures I have seen of myself as a toddler. I built my own more interesting toys from the parts. I was off in my own world. I even travelled the galaxy in my spaceship. But in my dreams, the Indian dancing hypnotized cobra tribe had captured my father in Belize. And there was the dark death of grey that would chase me in the brightly colored cartoon that was my dream, and the grey pipe could zigzag across the display screen of my dream until all the color had been enveloped and I had been swallowed. My nightmare was a video game and I was in it. Then I would half-awake on my stomach and I couldn't take a breath or move. Terrified. I suppose we all had some dreams like that.

Pain is relative. You don't know pain until you've had a hole in your stomach leaking acid into your abdominal cavity. I counted every half-second 1,2,3,4,5,6... for 3 days non-stop knifing pain coupled with super intense burning (except for only 2 times they allowed me the strongest narcotic pain killer than I was floating in a cloud for 3 hours each time). You'll pray there is no hell because if there is one you understand you can't handle it for eternity. Of course, you realize there is no eternal hell right. Just take an overdose of sleeping pills and get it over with. Maybe I just haven't experienced other forms of physical pain such as having my guts or leg blown off by some form of ballistic incident. I broke my nose flat on my face taking a knee to the face during an American football game (college level without any padding or helmets), got hit on the skull with a hammer (permanently hole in my skull), and torn the ligaments for really bad high ankle sprain that put me on crutches for a month and made it too painful to sleep well. But that was nothing compared to the exploded acute ulcer. Emotional distress is different. You fight it by becoming a man. Becoming hardened. Doing more sports and increasing the level of testosterone. I didn't precisely know that most of life, even I was sometimes very engrossed into athletics.

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=China’s+new+mandatory+social+network

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March 24, 2016, 02:57:21 AM
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You patronise your mother, you insult her intelligence, you attempt to undermine her by appeals to obscure authorities she likely has little inkling of, you berate her over things beyond her control - you abuse your mother.

I'd like to say that your mother deserves better - but in truth your mother has a lot to answer for  Roll Eyes

Thanks for your feedback as it is very indicative of the kafkatrapping, political correct speech crap that dominates the West.

Regardless of the truth you're trying to reveal, practicaldreamer has a point.

I also published this to explain some of the dysfunction some of X gen males have had to slog through in life.

Indeed. The greatest problem is one of communication, wherein the kind of response elicited from your mother starts happening as a knee-jerk reaction. I've found the Socratic method to be far more effective than pressing an issue. Is everyone at the same level of awareness and understanding?

If I had taken more time to cool down (not anger but just fired up enough to bother even writing the OP), I probably would not have posted it.

Thinking rationally is one thing - it's hard to act rationally when angry. Not that I've been able to handle that exceptionally well...
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Will read the links but have to ask why waste the time trying to change her? We get super set in our ways as we get older and hold to what we believe tighter, because most of what we are is done.
Save the little time you may have with her reflecting on postive stuff.
Will save you a lot of headaches, my moms the same age and she has totally neive understanding of the world and if I pressed lately it would turn to tears. They are a lot more fragile in mind at this point then you may think. Funny you went through all that feminism garbage like me, but now my mom denies she tried to instill it. Could easily go to her bookshelf and point to the books but lifes to short.
We all have our faults, try to except them. She is not changing you any more so why fight!
Will come back tomorrow after checking the links.

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For anyone bothering to read my comment posts over at the quoted linked blog of my former boss who now works at Apple, please note the following comment post has not yet appeared on the blog (apparently waiting for moderator approval). Also I am not sure if my recent comment posts there which appear for me, are also visible for other readers. So readers may want to check back at that blog page after a few days when presumably Mark will have approved all my comments for publishing on his blog.

The following is best read while listening to this (challenge yourself to listen to both the words of the song and read the following simultaneously):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDC82LCZ2Z4

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I didn't advocate downplaying disruption, which is an essential component of my economic theories and software business models.

I intended to imply a shift from behemoths who can't afford to disrupt themselves towards nimbler teams which don't incur a massive retrenchment when their core business is disrupted with a technology that generates a thousandth of the profit. Apple gets 63% of its revenue from iPhone which is being disrupted by Google which gets 83% of its revenue from advertising thus can afford to drive the direct profits on smart phones to a thousandth (for Google).

The yen and yang is that closed and open source each has an optimum use case. Open source is ideal for code that must be maximally scoured for bugs and more saliently where distrusting teams (with different vested interests) depend on that same code base. Trustless, permissionless systems scale better. Any platform (including a payment system) will need to be open source in order to gain maximum support and network effects. Thus open source scales network effects better than closed source.

I concur wholeheartedly closed source is superior for the creative process and tapping new markets, for the reasons you very eloquently stated. So companies will still build moats around some proprietary intellectual property, but this property will be leaner, nimbler and leverage a lot of open source. These teams can then afford to disrupt themselves or some other team can. The behemoths carry too much inertia and are so large are tempting power vacuum bed mates with the regulators and legislators; and while they fend off their monopoly they injure society and then they injure again when they crash and retrench.

Trying to be objectively data driven here. Android is proving that now blasting through the roof to 84% global market share after starting from 5% back in 2009 when Apple and RIM had 67% Comscore USA share. The iPhone has dropped from a peak of 32% USA share to oscillating around roughly half that for global share. I read Android has passed iPhone on total profit and App downloads. The writing appears to be on the wall. Microsoft open sourced Windows' interoption with hardware vendors and that is ostensibly one major reason Windows adoption outpaced the MacOS. History appears to be repeating, with Google disrupting both Apple and Microsoft.

No amount of monkeying around the distinctions and interoption of tablets, laptops and smartphone can rescue Apple. Apple needs another big hit to replace iPhone profits as Android will broaden its quality and have more network effects to cannabalize the reasons for preferring an iPhone.

Next some new Steve Jobs (maybe his name is Shelby, lol) will disrupt Google's advertising monetization model. Many nimbler teams are working on this as we speak. So I must continue to argue the behemoths are going away and permanently, but not overnight.

Nimbler startups can offer RSUs, flex schedule, and big rewards for innovation, but the risk is very high. But with great risk comes great reward. I think also people are enjoying being able to work virtually most of the time and come together for brief jamming stints to get synchronized and mutually jazzed. I think the mavericks will choose to go for it. What have we got to lose? We only live once. Might as well try for greatness. My football coach said you only fail when you don't try. And you are defeated only when you don't stand up and try again.

How many Mercedes Benz does one programmer need Smiley.

I really admired Steve's insights and intincts. Replicate that and keep the collaboration within expert teams and even cross-team collaboration in the nimber model. Or do you see a reason not?


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We all have our faults, try to except them. She is not changing you any more so why fight!

For most of my life I followed the policy of not telling my parents that which I knew they would not agree with, nor bothering to try to change them. And I think they adopted the same attitude about me, when they realized I was going to do everything different or probably from their perspective stupid or "bipolar" or what ever label my relatives wanted to stereotype on my experimentation. If curiousity doesn't kill you, it can make you stronger.

I was going to just leave it alone after deciding to end the call because it was a waste of time, but knowing my mother would then internalize it for weeks as if I was trying to hurt her, I felt compelled to write up something to try to explain to her that I got suckered into it. And when I started to write that email, I couldn't sugar coat and have it retain any relevant meaning. I just had to speak frankly otherwise I would be teaching myself how to make my life a confused doublespeak. At some point a man has to be a man and stop being moved off of his foundation otherwise he will be nothing to himself and this may be reflected in his own actions.

I think the following video by Evander Holyfield is inspirational:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGDiNUcn14#t=49

Tyson bit Holyfield's ears out of frustration because Evander was employing his head as a third boxing arm. Evander has a very big and strong bone structure in his head and this is one of his assets. Evander conspicuously employed this technique in his second fight against Lennox Lewis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7a3i1VyUkY#t=243

One thing I like about Tyson is his frankness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emaVhjK_GKU#t=115

And his bizarre, bipolar mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emaVhjK_GKU#t=32

Arguably Manny Pacquiao lost his mojo when he become a devout Christian (and this is also apparently destroying his political career when he spoke out against gays).

Here is what I am talking about if you are too young to remember:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoCOg8ZzUfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4WnPp754Uc

Comparing two 49 year olds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rz6j-1hnYU (Tyson 5'10", 71" reach, and 240 lbs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi2Rev8OgcI (Myself 5'7", 69" reach, and 165 lbs a year ago and with a chronic illness and I've never really trained as a boxer, just messing around AFTER my 2 hour barbell workout)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JByKcv8_uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f5yKyb3mYs

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Regardless of the truth you're trying to reveal, practicaldreamer has a point.

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I've found the Socratic method to be far more effective than pressing an issue. Is everyone at the same level of awareness and understanding?

Building a community requires such couth.

Boulders need to be dynamited in order to become gravel— a pliant building material.

Talking (even circumspectly) to boulders is insane. Say nothing or get the dynamite.

Thinking rationally is one thing - it's hard to act rationally when angry. Not that I've been able to handle that exceptionally well...

Fire and passion can be a productive conduit for energy, a.k.a. "controlled rage", not necessarily a surge of cortisol that disrupts the pre-frontal cortex. I think it can also become a dopamine addiction if not properly directed. I am thinking it depends how the person has conditioned himself to direct his energy towards stimulating creativity and production, although I haven't studied this science around adrenal cognitive stimulation, adrenal fatigue and possible interactions with neurotransmitters such as dopamine:

http://scicurious.scientopia.org/2012/12/05/stressed-out-and-not-thinking-straight-blame-the-dopamine-in-your-prefrontal-cortex/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352289514000101

I have found that directing such energy stimulation into a combination of mental simulation and physical exertion, can properly direct this so it doesn't become an unproductive addition cycle (i.e. of trying to make needless drama to stimulate the dopamine rush into the brain). If a man never stimulate his adrenals, this can also have deleterious ramifications. A man wasn't given his hormonal structure just to sit at a desk and never get riled up.

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March 24, 2016, 06:53:16 PM
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Yeah, that's why I said 2032 is possibly the date we will see socialism finally go extinct.

There's strong divides appearing now with people beginning to realize the problem is socialism, it's suffocating the life out of the middle class.

It isn't suffocating the life out of them in the UK - Junior doctors escalate industrial action to all-out strike next month

Unions are an integral element of liberal socialism and they destroy the middle class:



Its not a case of boomers dying - socialism is an idea. An idea that is adapting to current conditions - and is probably stronger today than it has been for 40 years, judging by the rise of Corbyn and Sanders. Not among "boomers", I hasten to add - but the disenfranchised and disposessed younger generation.

The industrial action proposed by the British Medical Association (a professional association as much as a union) is unprecedented. Looks like the middle class are becoming radicalised - and thats when the shit truly hits the fan, not when the working class become radicalised for eg.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi2Rev8OgcI (Myself 5'7", 69" reach, and 165 lbs a year ago and with a chronic illness and I've never really trained as a boxer, just messing around AFTER my 2 hour barbell workout)



Good for you man, for keeping in shape. But at 5'7" you have only succeeded in knocking out a dwarf in your workout. If you are just looking at a cardio vascular workout then thats fine - but if its any kind of training for your own physical self defence, then you need to be raising the bag and punching higher - you'll get more power punching uphill, cos then you are getting power all the way from your knees and above, potentially - try to punch with your body and not your arms. Tyson was a master at it - a natural.
I used to have an old kit bag full of sand hung up in the garage that I'd train on - but I'd always envisage fighting a guy of maybe 6'3", and aiming to hit him on the jaw for the big KO - if ever I were likely to be in a fight (which I'm most certainly not btw) this is more likely to be the size of guy I might be up against. I mean, why would I fight a guy smaller than me ? Where's the victory in that ? It'd be no victory at all.

But respect where respects due - keep at it.
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The risk of social stigma seems unsupported by some flimsy misinterpretations of a couple of anecdotes. My intuition is the ladies are not sufficiently motivated to work on the code until it works. Presuming Jeff Read's claim of women in biotech is factual, noting the anecdotes from TED script, and even glancing at Susan Sons' interest in children and education, points to women being highly motivated by social causes around childrearing, wellbeing, and family. Whereas men seem to be motivated by social causes involving innovative disruption of power structure, as noted by Kenpachi.

I posit the real risk here may be the combination of a perceived lack of direct applicability to women's social priorities and perhaps even the hypergamy opportunity cost of being locked away with nerds far from the social nexus of the workplace.

The cited Malaysian exception has misleading statistics. A UNESCO study says:

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In South Korea, for instance, the proportion of females enrolled at the bachelor level was 52% in science and 19.5% in engineering as of 2011. At the doctoral level, however, those numbers sunk to 38% and 12% respectively.

In addition within STEM fields in higher education, women overwhelmingly tend to pursue science-based disciplines rather than maths-based ones. This was the case even in countries which had comparatively higher rates of female participation in STEM fields than others in Asia, such as Malaysia, where females accounted for 62% of students enrolled in medicine, while comprising only 36% of those in engineering.

What seems to be happening w.r.t. computer science demographics in Malaysia is a combination of the strict culture which requires women to stay home with the children and programming being an outstanding income for virtual work, combined with what I see here in the neighboring southern Philippines, where the boys are reknown for not undertaking bookwork seriously and the girls do. The reason is actually hypergamy. The boys are dreaming of doing masculine work and the females are dreaming of learning English and a skill that enables them to go abroad to earn money to support their families and maybe also meet a handsome rich husband.

When it comes to world class innovation, men are most always going occupy those extreme outliers on the bell curve, because men are uniquely tooled to sacrifice everything to compete for those rarer eggs in the female. The smartest females are not going to risk their priorities just to be a trophy case statistical outlier.

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Good for you man, for keeping in shape. But at 5'7" you have only succeeded in knocking out a dwarf in your workout. If you are just looking at a cardio vascular workout then thats fine - but if its any kind of training for your own physical self defence, then you need to be raising the bag and punching higher - you'll get more power punching uphill, cos then you are getting power all the way from your knees and above, potentially - try to punch with your body and not your arms. Tyson was a master at it - a natural.

Thanks for the tip. I noticed that too when watching the video again this time. Also instructor at my gym had mentioned not punching only with my arms.

Several times I have begged them to raise the bag higher at my gym. They have it so low because the steel cage holding it is low, their chain is not well designed for the application, and because many of the filipinos are shorter than me. Even in the house I am renting, the damn mirror in the restroom displays my neck (concrete walls and I don't own a drill).

I am punching it low because if I punch it higher there is not much filler in the bag up there, so it isn't solid and I don't get the thud feedback from the bag. I did try punch it higher and it felt like I was punching the top of a bowling pin where all the weight was below where I was punching so it just gave way.

Also you are viewing me sick where I was only working out perhaps once every 2 weeks or so. (And that was February 2015 and I got acutely more ill and lost all my muscle later in 2015)

If I get healthy, I won't look like that. That is no where near my athleticism potential when healthy. Even as a freshman in high school, my neck was good 1 inch thicker in circumference. I don't have any pics of myself from when I played American football, but here is one from my high school graduation wherein I had stopped playing American football for 3 years and was doing XCountry and middle and long distance for Track&Field and you can see here my neck even without weight training and being thin:



(Ah I would much prefer to be doing it than talking about it and showing pics of myself like a narcissistic pussy)

Put it this way, at 5'5" and maybe 135 lbs as a freshman in high school, I played the offensive guard and defensive end positions, which looked ridiculous since that is incredibly undersized for those positions. My natural positions were cornerback and wide receiver, but due to politics, coaching perceptions, lack of an opportunity to demonstrate my capabilities at my natural positions, and also due to myself being a team player and not caring where I played as long as I could play the entire game, I took the assignments that were less in demand. I had so much energy I did not want to rest even for one play. When the game was over, I wanted to continue playing. I wasn't tired. Ditto partying in college in California (after I left L.S.U.) where I didn't want to sleep even a 4am after drinking til you drop style. I wanted to eat and head to beach and drink some more. Play some volleyball at the beach, and then party again that evening. In 8th grade, I played flag football every afternoon at PE with the guys who ended up being our cornerbacks and wide receivers, and I was regularly the top player on the flag football field (even against African Americans) but I guess the coaches were just letting us play out there and not even paying attention. But I was accustomed to being the (especially laterally) quickest (not fastest) guy on the field in the USA (and that even the case later in 2002 in Texas in some pickup football games), but I had my ass handed to me by the filipinos. My ex's brother (a skinny 5'3" dancer) could run rings around me and I couldn't even lay a finger on him. Well that was when he was 17 and I was 29. Later when I was in my 40s and he was late 20s, he was considerably slower perhaps being out-of-shape, but that was just tossing the ball to each other. I didn't actually try to tackle him that day. I'd be very curious to experience Pacquiao's speed. The owner of a buffet near my house says he can introduce me to Manny after his next fight. I'm hoping i have time for that, am healthy enough to go down to GenSan and work out in his gym. Just dreaming. Note when I worked out on a junior college team one summer in California, I was shamed by negro wide receivers there. But I had degraded my quick twitch muscle fiber by doing so much long distance training the prior years. So I really don't know. I have always had too many interests to juggle, didn't focus enough on just one. Maybe many of you can relate to that dilemma. Oh another data point is I played pickup football in late 1980s with the incoming freshman recruits for the Cal Lutheran college in Thousand Oaks. I forget how many solo touchdowns I scored, but I was pretty dominant. I broke my nose on a big guy's knee that day but played on because I was enjoying it too much. Btw, I squatted with the lineman at that Junior college and after only a month of training, I was squatting 400+ lbs to parallel in a strict way.

I am punching with my arms partially to protect my rotator cuff. I can overpower the load that my joints can handle at this age, and especially being sick and not able to train consistently. As it was even with wraps and the gloves, I was messing my hands up (partially because I have a broken right hand (which makes my ring finger knuckle protrude when in a fist) due to punching a concrete wall when I was drunk in the 1990s). I really need to tape my hands, but I was just doing this for messing around. I wasn't yet taking it seriously because I can't even train seriously due to the illness I have. Due to inability to train, I had very minimal aerobic capacity as I was huffing and puffing after each ~40 seconds round. Lately I have been doing more running albeit quite limited by the illness (can't run more than 1.5 miles without abdominal pain stopping me), so I am still waiting for my cure to materialize so I can go balls out training. My resting pulse is still 40 given the enlarged heart from all my endurance training in high school.

Believe me, I am eagerly anticipating being cured and royally fucking up a heavy bag the way Tyson does. After 3 years of debilitating hell (and 6 years of declining health before that), I have some progress on a potential cure just in the past weeks.

What you probably don't realize is that for several days after doing that boxing in the video, I was probably laid up in the bed with horrible Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which is why I couldn't train. That evening, I was probably not feeling well after that day in the gym. Recently I am seeing some improvement on this, but I am still not 100% in the clear. Still having some issues.

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Boomers in denial and state of disbelief...

Quote from: Mark Zimmer
Quote from: myself
"The West is dying and will go over the cliff in 2018"

BS my friend. Please don't go around shouting that the sky is falling.

The failure of the West is baked in due to the requirement to finance socialism. Asia and the developing world doesn't have this dead weight, which is why it will scale faster. The West has significantly greater hi-tech productivity, but unfortunately socialism is at a bankrupt crossroads and it needs to go, but politically it can't go. So the government is going to likely destroy its own hi-tech sector by for example requiring a backdoor on encryption. Socialism will kills the goose that lays the golden eggs. As for the 2018 date, it is going to surprise many people and I was hoping you wouldn't be one of them. Who predicted this Muslim crisis in Europe? Who predicted the Ukraine crisis well before it was on anyone's radar? Who predicted the 2007 subprime crash back in the 1990s? Who predicted precisely the crash and rise again of the Japanese stock market in the 1980s?

Armstrong and his $billion investment in A.I. and collection of 6000 years of every relevant shred of data he could find. The man who purchased a bust of Julius Caesar and can rattle off details of human history that will make you dizzy.

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males exhibit most of the mathematical talent and the divergence increases in the right tail

I found some analysis of known data which supports my intuition that women are making this choice; and they even present evidence of the fluidity of women to increase their variance in the right tail. And they find no support for "institutional sexism" as an explanation.

Sex Differences in Math-Intensive Fields
Stephen J. Ceci and Wendy M. Williams
Cornell University

Two Quora anecdotes which support my intuition that women want the flexibility to do jobs which enable their social cause and family priorities, and add to that anecdotally women don't want to be stuck in a field where the (e.g. small startup) nerds sleep under their desk (aren't concerned with their wellbeing and body odor) and there isn't a dedicated female restroom:

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I was one of 8 women out of class of 200 in engineering. Why didn't more women go into the field?  [...] So when you look around and there's no one like you (any minority will be able to relate to this), it can be hard to stay in that field. Plus - only nerds go into engineering and most girls don't see that as a great thing to be - the stereotypes of engineering are not particularly cool for women. The guy you're dating or later marry will get some heat from the guys around him if he doesn't "earn more" than you It's also a field of study that requires a lot of time in school (not a lot of time for those great parties other students go to). After all that is said, though, engineering has let me do whatever I want. I've worked in manufacturing, IT, HR, project management, etc., on projects around the globe. [...] I think there are so few women in engineering that it's hard for other women to see how this field works for them. Engineering is also not as flexible as many of the health care fields (part time work, weekend work, etc.) to the needs of women and families although there are significant efforts at changing that.

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Hmmmm...I like science fiction and video games....but I work in healthcare.  I'm also not too bad at math.
 
However, I will say that the field I am in (medical laboratory) is dominated by women.  To the point that women had their own bathroom in the lab at my last job, the other two bathrooms were unisex.
 
I care about people, but I don't want to see them in person, hence I work in the lab.  I thought about going into software programming, but it looked pretty boring compared to working with instruments, reading bacterial cultures and doing molecular testing.  Engineering seemed excessively difficult and expensive to get into.  Physics seemed like something I could never get a job with.

I suspect it distills to evolutionary game theory at the generative essence. In my experience women are more balanced than men (inhibiting themselves from the right tail?) when making long-range decisions on risking wellbeing and stability; and I posit (as I believe esr has stated) because they must nurture their offspring because they can't scatter an overabundance of eggs to many men. One of the sexes has to be made responsible for child rearing to prevent information loss in evolution, and the other has to be pushing the limits of variance to provide maximum opportunities for discarding information which is not optimally fit. That sentence comes from some research in biology. Men sacrifice wellbeing and risk-aversion continuously to take shot at winning against other males to better the odds of inseminating more women. Perhaps some women will risk their wellbeing in the heat of the moment (hindbrain?) with a badboy (e.g. who may carry STDs) which they perceive to be an alpha, probably because of the game theory of the probabilities in their evolutionary purpose. Refer to esr's past blogs on PUAs and hypergamy.

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> Consider that the right thing to do is to enable people rather
> than giving them handouts. The west simply has to get it right.

I think this is right up there with fairytales such as Dumbo The Flying Elephant and the reason is because an Iron Law of Politics which is that it is a power vacuum that rewards those who can promise the most collectivized debt financed "freebies".

I mean I am all for enabling individuals (and via technology and not ineffectual political delusions). But I am not for ignoring fundamental, inescapable economic truths.

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> If the US were accelerating towards socialism, then you would
> see Bernie winning over Hillary.

Disagree. We would instead see Rand Paul winning. Bernie is a liberal socialist. His rhetoric rails against corruption and such, but he would pile on the debt-based freebies. Hillary represents the status quo which is massive socialism, corruption, and driving stakes through the heart of our technology industry with NSA shenanigans (which is just a sheepskin masking the real purpose which is to track all the money for coming capital controls in 2018). They will get their backdoor on encryption even if they have to do it with national security letter gag orders and martial law. Watch 2018. I'll come back around then so we can acknowledge who won this prediction. The establishment will steal this election if necessary to make sure there is no departure from crash & burn trajectory we are on because it is part of their plans for global monetary reset and unification of global hegemony.

What Bernie and Trump represent is the ultimate rebellion and fracturing of the USA into regions of cultural differentiation, after the establishment steals the 2016 election for Hellary proving that democracy is a charade.

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> What worries me are the idealists. They are so righteous.
> Idealists will literally do anything to see their programs
> through because they literally believe they are right. And so
> often the ends justify the means.

I predict this will precisely describe what Apple will become over the next several years. Hope I am wrong. One of us will be correct.

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> My humble opinion is that our higher education system is a bit
> outmoded and heading for disruption.
> what becomes disrupted? Well, probably government.

Agreed. But socialism is the elephant in the room that won't leave through the door because he can't fit through it. He'll destroy most of the house on the way out. Then we will rebuild after 2024 or 2032.

Note this disruption will be starting from small seeds right about now. And come into major adoption while the socialism is burning the old system to ground.

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> To assume that the trend towards socialism has America
> in its grasp might be hubris on Armstrong's part.

The West will break free of it when most of the boomers are dead by 2033. But by then Asia will have moved ahead of the West in total GDP. The tables will have turned. We will be outsourcing for Samsung, instead of them outsourcing for Apple.

The best and brightest from the USA will leave or virtually subcontract to Asia well before the elephant has left our house.

Silicon Valley might shift to some where in Asia.

Times change. We seem to forget that lesson from history.

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> Diversify. Nobody can know the future.

Please understand the science of the Strange Attractor before alleging that Armstrong's literally $1 billion investment in a computer model hasn't correlated something informational and predictive. There is hidden order in chaos.

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