KGB Bezmenov 1985 - Four Steps to Subversion of a Nation

[Wilikon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkkLDAm8I4&feature=youtu.be

1985 interview with KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov. Enlightening excerpt.

[tvbcof]

https://i.sli.mg/sOBHIc.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkkLDAm8I4&feature=youtu.be

1985 interview with KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov. Enlightening excerpt.

I was going to post this exact vid in my response to the discussion of Trump/Alinsky on the other thread.

“A word about my personal philosophy. It is anchored in optimism. It must be, for optimism brings with it hope, a future with a purpose, and therefore, a will to fight for a better world. Without this optimism, there is no reason to carry on. ..."

  -- Alinsky - Rules for Radicals  - pg 21

That makes me think back to the 'demoralization' that I feel at having to choose between 'Obama/Romney', 'Obama/McCain', 'Obama/Hillary', 'Bush/Kerry', etc, etc all the way back about as far as I can remember.  When some possibly hopeful candidate is in the running, they are squashed like a bug by the media+establishment before it matters.  This 'demoralization' has caused me not to even bother to vote at all over the last number of years.  I see it as a theme in the alternate media, and it is one that resonates.  I would guess that this is akin to what Bezmenov is alluding to.

I've always considered myself fairly left-wing.  To this day I've no love lost for the Republicans although in a practical sense they are more useful to me politically in my current situation insofar as they are less inclined to empower some of the scams that hit me the hardest.  Specifically, the eco-fascism which I feel as a person who owns property and a person who would rather do shit than sit on my ass and wait for a welfare check.

I've always been 'anti-American' to some extent as a hold-over to my youth when the memories of Vietnam were fresh in the public consciousness.  That sentiment continues to be animated by things such as our regime-change campaigns which turn otherwise relatively function nations into failed states and our drone strikes which end up killing 90% innocent civilians.  All of a sudden (e.g., 1/2 an hour before I write this) I wonder if that is not a huge part of the actual goal.  That is, to create and maintain a sense of 'demoralization' within the United States itself!

[Wilikon]

https://i.sli.mg/sOBHIc.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkkLDAm8I4&feature=youtu.be

1985 interview with KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov. Enlightening excerpt.

I was going to post this exact vid in my response to the discussion of Trump/Alinsky on the other thread.

“A word about my personal philosophy. It is anchored in optimism. It must be, for optimism brings with it hope, a future with a purpose, and therefore, a will to fight for a better world. Without this optimism, there is no reason to carry on. ..."

  -- Alinsky - Rules for Radicals  - pg 21

That makes me think back to the 'demoralization' that I feel at having to choose between 'Obama/Romney', 'Obama/McCain', 'Obama/Hillary', 'Bush/Kerry', etc, etc all the way back about as far as I can remember.  When some possibly hopeful candidate is in the running, they are squashed like a bug by the media+establishment before it matters.  This 'demoralization' has caused me not to even bother to vote at all over the last number of years.  I see it as a theme in the alternate media, and it is one that resonates.  I would guess that this is akin to what Bezmenov is alluding to.

I've always considered myself fairly left-wing.  To this day I've no love lost for the Republicans although in a practical sense they are more useful to me politically in my current situation insofar as they are less inclined to empower some of the scams that hit me the hardest.  Specifically, the eco-fascism which I feel as a person who owns property and a person who would rather do shit than sit on my ass and wait for a welfare check.

I've always been 'anti-American' to some extent as a hold-over to my youth when the memories of Vietnam were fresh in the public consciousness.  That sentiment continues to be animated by things such as our regime-change campaigns which turn otherwise relatively function nations into failed states and our drone strikes which end up killing 90% innocent civilians.  All of a sudden (e.g., 1/2 an hour before I write this) I wonder if that is not a huge part of the actual goal.  That is, to create and maintain a sense of 'demoralization' within the United States itself!

Lots of people don't care about TRUMP or threads about the US election. I believe the subject matter in the video was beyond TRUMP and more visibility was needed on its own. Smart is smart and there is no taboo in knowing yourself or your foe.

Is optimism back with TRUMP?

[tvbcof]

Lots of people don't care about TRUMP or threads about the US election. I believe the subject matter in the video was beyond TRUMP and more visibility was needed on its own. Smart is smart and there is no taboo in knowing yourself or your foe.

Is optimism back with TRUMP?

When I ran across this clip of Bezmenov some months ago I had just got done recognizing that the neo-environmentalist were in significant danger once they had done the bidding of those who empower them.  Not necessarily in physical danger...though that is not outside the realm of possibility.  Bezmenov's statements about the fate of the indigenous 'communists' once the Soviet's took over was strikingly similar to what I had hypothesized might be that of those who had genuine care for the environment.

So, yes, what Bezmenov (and Alinsky and Machiavelli and Marx and Kissinger and Brzezinski, etc, etc) have to say about politics and power extend well beyond the here and now of the US and Trump.  OTOH, I would say that the Trump phenomenon genuinely is one of the most interesting and meaningful political events of the last few decades.  Probably even on the world stage.  I would say since the fall of the Soviet Union.

To answer your last question, Trump has definitely stirred in me a vestigial bit of optimism which I had not expected when I finally dove into the subject of trying to figure things out.  Also a not insignificant dose of trepidation.  As always though, I was strongly of the opinion that we (and the rest of the world) are on the fast train to something awful with the establishment-approved candidates (and even with Sanders who is weak and stupid) so I'm happy to take a chance on Trump.

[Zeke2345]

The reason Trump is so successful is with each future President they have to step up the rhetoric just enough to con the people into thinking something might change. Obama was going to be the first black President and things where finally going to change,not only do he achieve nothing every thing he did had enough backdoor issues to make it worse off for people than before.

At this point the States can not fix their issues by electing a President,for things to change it would take grass roots change.
This would take 10-25 years at best to get the right people in there and thats just working on a local level. To really shake it up you guys
need to come together as a people and put the foot down. But the race issues have been effectively dividing the population up,so that things will be even harder.
If a coup attempt was to happen it would have multiple groups jockeying to take each other out of the picture. Its really a complex issue that I have no idea how to even start getting at as a outsider looking in.

Recall watching a documentary a couple years ago from this fellow and it was full of juicy tidbits that make you pause and reflect on our current situation. Guess I should watch it again.

[tvbcof]

The reason Trump is so successful is with each future President they have to step up the rhetoric just enough to con the people into thinking something might change. Obama was going to be the first black President and things where finally going to change,not only do he achieve nothing every thing he did had enough backdoor issues to make it worse off for people than before.
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I fully expected to come to that conclusion when I buckled down and start looking into things after super Tuesday.  IMO, observations do not fit that narrative mainly due to the breadth and depth of the resistance to Trump.

My opinion is that this is about Globalism vs. Nationalism, and there seems to be a fair bit of circumstantial evidence that Trump is indeed the Nationalist that he claims to be.  I certainly do not rule out the possibility that he is doing a con-job on me, but I see two strikes against this.  1) As I mentioned above, the antagonism to the guy from across the political and social spectra is palpable.  2) I am in a fairly small and insignificant demographic who is very paranoid about 'the new world order' and has researched it significantly so there is no need cater to my class.

Sorry to keep coming around to Trump, but it is relevant to the world at large just on the basis of the U.S. remaining the primary and most aggressive power in the world at this point.  And if there really is a NWO, their success and operations necessarily will touch the globe by definition.  Of course some people agree but think that the rest of the world will be better off for the erection of such a system and degradation of the US in the process of forming it.  I strongly disagree that this would be the likely outcome.

[Spendulus]

....Obama was going to be the first black President and things where finally going to change,not only do he achieve nothing every thing he did had enough backdoor issues to make it worse off for people than before.
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Hang on just a second, there were a great many people including myself who warned about him prior to the election.  He was very obviously selling fairy tales and myths.  It was right out in the open.

"Hope and change" but YOU FILL IN the BLANKS.

That can lead nowhere but disillusionment.

[Zeke2345]

....Obama was going to be the first black President and things where finally going to change,not only do he achieve nothing every thing he did had enough backdoor issues to make it worse off for people than before.
...

Hang on just a second, there were a great many people including myself who warned about him prior to the election.  He was very obviously selling fairy tales and myths.  It was right out in the open.

"Hope and change" but YOU FILL IN the BLANKS.

That can lead nowhere but disillusionment.

I have no doubt you where anti Obama from jump. But the narrative that was being sold was ate up by the masses for the most part.
Was getting a little worried that Hilary would be next and then Caitlyn Jenner as we need to keep the movement going or it will lose steam.