Wondering why Trolling is still against the forum rules .

[Joel_Jantsen]

I get it, as mature adults we are suppose to deal with users professionally.But is little bit of humor too bad for the forum ? I mean there are people abusing the heck out each other in the posts or using racial slurs to bring down their oppositions.Even respected members throw dirt at each holding grudges and many such posts exists .There are other bunch of butthurt spammers who freely use abusive words or say abuse the entire system ,for example this

Fuck you DannyHamilton shit, already found the answer suck your mother's dick now bitcoin's bitch

or this :

@op is not kralle!!
i am the only real kralle

have a taste of my BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!

This is much worse than trolling.Trolls never hurt anybody's sentiments.Moreover isn't it one of the latest Internet Generation trends to be followed ?

Not sure if it makes sense to anyone else,just a thought worth sharing.

[botany]

These abusive posts would be deleted too, if they were reported, is my opinion.
Have you tried reporting them?

[Lethn]

You have an ignore function, use it.

[SebastianJu]

The thing with trolling is that the posts are useless and often offtopic. So people will get notifications for posts that have no value, wasting their time.

Might be trolling is not an issue in meta subforum but I can see why users report trolls.

Next thing is that there is an immense amount of threads opened daily only trying to spread fud to move the bitcoin price in one direction or the other.

[Lauda]

This is much worse than trolling.Trolls never hurt anybody's sentiments.

It can; trolling is just a waste of time, especially on a forum like this. How could you expect to have a decent discussion with someone if trolls kept attacking you from every angle?
As far as the person quoted is concerned: Even though technically you are allowed to use offensive language and whatnot, cases in which the user is only being abusive and does not add anything to the discussion will be dealt with. This goes against the first two rules as listed in this section.

[SaltySpitoon]

It isn't against the rules to throw humor into a constructive post. Its against the rules to go completely off topic and derail a thread with non constructive information. There are some notorious "trolls" who are top quality posters. They use humor to better get their points across and bring interest to threads. The people that are bad at it are the ones that aren't allowed.

[mexxer-2]

The first guy should definitely be nuked, I'm surprised why he hasn't been yet. Well trolling is one reason(one instance is quite tolerable in fact) but according to the tag from cyrus, he has been sending unsolicited phishing links via PM(which AFAIK warrants at least a temp ban for high-ranked members)

The second one is a bit iffy, if he continually does/did it might be temp-ban worthy but considering there aren't much mods with temp-ban powers, it might slip through. But who knows, with SaltySpitoon being somewhat active these days, we might get a replacement for the strict bans warranted by BB.

[Gwapo]

Trolling is some kind of making fun of others or harassing the victim.

I think nobody gets banned by trolling slightly.
Excessive trolling is what needs no toleration.  Maybe mods should change the wordings slightly.

[Zeke2345]

Trolling is defined wider for some than others,I consider the XT shill and the current block size fud as trolling because it does not stay in one thread usually and spreads out like mushrooms to pop up all over the forum. Thats the trolling that bothers me the most,when people are misleading for economic gain. The mental trolling I can laugh at after I picked my self off the ground for falling for it.

Belittling and swearing just tells me the person is using curse words to mask their posts or is not intelligent enough to have a grasp on anger issues or politeness. The first tactic is used mostly by alt accounts here.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It isn't against the rules to throw humor into a constructive post. Its against the rules to go completely off topic and derail a thread with non constructive information. There are some notorious "trolls" who are top quality posters. They use humor to better get their points across and bring interest to threads. The people that are bad at it are the ones that aren't allowed.

Like Spoetnik?  I mean, trolling is trolling, right?  He's obviously trolling but never seems to get banned.  And then you get fine, upstanding citizens like TECSHARE who acts like a cunt when someone disagrees with him, even going so far as to troll on trust pages (hint:  see my trust page).  Nothing seems to get done.  And yet there is SebastianJu getting banned for consecuposting.  This forum, as much as I like it, is like the schoolyard playground.  Ugh.

[TECSHARE]

And then you get fine, upstanding citizens like TECSHARE who acts like a cunt when someone disagrees with him, even going so far as to troll on trust pages (hint:  see my trust page).

Lets be clear about this. I don't act like a cunt with people just for disagreeing with me, however if you act like a cunt I will treat you as such. I tried to have a civil discussion with you, but you repeatedly made it personal. I tried to PM you so we could work out our differences like adults but you were not interested and blocked me.

Since I was not interested in shitting up one of the threads we were having a discussion in, I left a NEUTRAL rating on your trust page so other people have a record of your cunty behavior as a way of defending my own reputation since you are so fond of personally attacking me. You are just here to jerk yourself off, I am here to trade, you attack me personally and threaten my ability to trade, that is not acceptable for me. If I bothered to do this with everyone who disagreed with me I would never have time to eat or sleep. The moral of the story, don't act like a cunt and you won't get treated like one.

[Lauda]

The first guy should definitely be nuked, I'm surprised why he hasn't been yet. Well trolling is one reason(one instance is quite tolerable in fact) but according to the tag from cyrus, he has been sending unsolicited phishing links via PM(which AFAIK warrants at least a temp ban for high-ranked members)

Some staff members do not prefer to use nuke as others, ergo the user that you're speaking of was banned.

Like Spoetnik?  I mean, trolling is trolling, right?  He's obviously trolling but never seems to get banned.  

There are some very complicated users that create complex situations. If you feel like he should be banned, you can always contact a global moderator.

I think nobody gets banned by trolling slightly.
Excessive trolling is what needs no toleration.  Maybe mods should change the wordings slightly.

Technically that is correct. If you do make a constructive post and part of it is used for trolling, usually nothing happens.

[btvGainer]

In most cases abuse is not planned,it happens in a fist of anger while troll is done on purpose,sometimes to settle scores.This is not to say that abuse should be allowed and troll not.Both should be dealt strictly

[hilariousandco]

btckol was already banned and I just took care of idyu. If that's another alt of Kralle he's already had several accounts banned for trolling/being a nuisance after scamming. If people are purposely just trying to agitate people by swearing and going off topic etc then they're going to get banned.

[Aggressor66]

What more could they do with their lives?   Cyberbullies, Cyber-Stalkers, Insulters, "passive-aggressive fueling their anger", trying to get others banned, passing out neg reps (-) to get their jollies off...
 
To them this is an episode of "South Park".....

[SaltySpitoon]

The first guy should definitely be nuked, I'm surprised why he hasn't been yet. Well trolling is one reason(one instance is quite tolerable in fact) but according to the tag from cyrus, he has been sending unsolicited phishing links via PM(which AFAIK warrants at least a temp ban for high-ranked members)

The second one is a bit iffy, if he continually does/did it might be temp-ban worthy but considering there aren't much mods with temp-ban powers, it might slip through. But who knows, with SaltySpitoon being somewhat active these days, we might get a replacement for the strict bans warranted by BB.

I enjoy harassing people a bit myself, so I don't often involve myself in "trolling" cases, unless its completely obvious and nonconstructive. If it made me laugh, I probably wouldn't ban the person even if they deserved to be, which is why I tend to stay out of the issue. That and Global Moderators cannot issue temporary bans, and its not often that someone is trolling to an extent the warrants a permanent ban. So overall I would say my personal tolerance for "trolls" is higher than others.

I don't intend to discuss individuals, but some of the people you may have noticed that aren't banned but are considered trolls often use insults and satire to make posts that seem off topic, but are witty and on topic. This isn't NoFunAllowedBTCTalk.org so obviously there is some leeway. There are some that are stricter than me, but no one is going to start throwing around bans for a joke or two.

In most cases abuse is not planned,it happens in a fist of anger while troll is done on purpose,sometimes to settle scores.This is not to say that abuse should be allowed and troll not.Both should be dealt strictly

There is a fine line between abuse, and angry people speaking to each other. If you were to censor someone's post with asterisks for every offensive word they use, and the post becomes 100% unreadable, that is moderated. If someone wants to call you some names and has a point that you can respond to, that isn't moderated. We aren't here to protect your feelings from getting hurt. If you don't understand that people on the internet say mean things sometimes, well....

Moderators aren't baby sitters to make sure you get along. We are like librarians, making sure posts go to where they should be, and tell you to shut up if you are wrongfully disturbing others. 

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Trolling is against the rules because it's annoying for the rest of us to read. The odd diss is ok but where do you draw the line? I guess there has to be some rules.

[Slowturtleinc]

One mans trolling is another mans way of poking holes in a logic that is off. You ban trolling you control expression,which turns to censorship.
Its a hard line to figure where it ends in most cases.

[mexxer-2]

That and Global Moderators cannot issue temporary bans, and its not often that someone is trolling to an extent the warrants a permanent ban. So overall I would say my personal tolerance for "trolls" is higher than others.

I am quite aware of that, but grue , a global mod seems to have temp-ban power(from what I understand, it might also be that he's actually relying on theymos though). Thought you were one of the select few global mods with that power too

This isn't NoFunAllowedBTCTalk.org so obviously there is some leeway. There are some that are stricter than me, but no one is going to start throwing around bans for a joke or two.

Tell me about it, I've had a few of my posts deleted because they were short and witty(possibly insulting too  ). But yeah as I mentioned in my earlier post, trolling without going off-topic(multiple times) and a few insults here and there seems to be acceptedtolerated

[SaltySpitoon]

I am quite aware of that, but grue , a global mod seems to have temp-ban power(from what I understand, it might also be that he's actually relying on theymos though). Thought you were one of the select few global mods with that power too

There are some exceptions, but the reason global moderators can perma ban and not temp ban, is a permissions issue that can't be resolved due to SMF. I don't remember all of the issues specifically, but changing it is not something Theymos has done for more than a handful of people. I don't remember if its just incredibly time consuming, tedious, or if it causes issues with the forum itself.

Tell me about it, I've had a few of my posts deleted because they were short and witty(possibly insulting too  ). But yeah as I mentioned in my earlier post, trolling without going off-topic(multiple times) and a few insults here and there seems to be acceptedtolerated

Sometimes the lines are hard to read. I'd say that moderation of comments is done airing on the side of caution. If a post is borderline, to the point where I can't make a decision, I'll either give the poster the benefit of the doubt and leave it, or allow another moderator a shot at it. Which board a post is made also has an effect on the decision. Some discussions hold more weight than others. If a post is borderline, and driving an important matter off topic, it is more likely to be removed. Think of a post made in Technical Support vs Economics. The environment is different, and I'd wager a guess that the exact same borderline post may survive in Economics, but not Tech support.