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February 08, 2013, 03:54:17 PM
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Hi,

Im looking into developing a small bitcoin gambling site, however im unsure about what hosting company I should go for. I assume it should preferably be a non US host.. Does anyone have any recommendations?

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Just find one from a country who hates America, and wont extradite, nor send the US any information if they ask.

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Just find one from a country who hates America, and wont extradite, nor send the US any information if they ask.

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Those might not be the best web hosting countries.

I beleive that satoshidice is hosted in Ireland at least that's what a reverse lookup of their ip 54.247.163.243 says

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February 08, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
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Germany and France have good network infrastructure, high competition on hosting market and no extradition of own citizens.
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February 08, 2013, 08:26:57 PM
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I beleive that satoshidice is hosted in Ireland at least that's what a reverse lookup of their ip 54.247.163.243 says

Looks like an Amazon server.  I wonder how much protection being in Ireland would give them if the US government put pressure on Amazon.

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February 08, 2013, 08:28:37 PM
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If you really mean small then they might not be for you, but OrangeWebsite.com is in Iceland and has been reliable and helpful for over a year. They accept bitcoin.

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February 08, 2013, 09:37:23 PM
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If you really mean small then they might not be for you, but OrangeWebsite.com is in Iceland and has been reliable and helpful for over a year. They accept bitcoin.

By small I mean big, hehe.

Are there other bitcoin casino sites hosted with Orangewebsite?

I cant seem to find any information like "the best would be to host in this country.."  etc or something similar, I hope someone has some information or know what steps to take. Any good advise will be rewarded once we are up and running Smiley
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February 08, 2013, 10:34:23 PM
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If you really mean small then they might not be for you, but OrangeWebsite.com is in Iceland and has been reliable and helpful for over a year. They accept bitcoin.

By small I mean big, hehe.

Are there other bitcoin casino sites hosted with Orangewebsite?

I cant seem to find any information like "the best would be to host in this country.."  etc or something similar, I hope someone has some information or know what steps to take. Any good advise will be rewarded once we are up and running Smiley

Any country with legal online gambling should be fine, UK could be one place.

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February 09, 2013, 03:01:06 AM
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Costa Rica based companies serve US facing sportsbooks.

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February 09, 2013, 03:13:19 AM
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i have a German VPS than you can use for a small price, pm me if interested.

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February 09, 2013, 02:31:24 PM
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Any country with legal online gambling should be fine, UK could be one place.

This is completely false.

Seems there's a lot of misinformation and basic misunderstandings here. Whenever I see this topic come up in the non-BTC gambling world, I see the same vague and incorrect suggestions over and over.

Just because online gambling is legal in a country does not mean you can host an unlicensed site there. The UK has a very strict licensing regiment with master licenses costing around £500,000 per year. Hosting unlicensed games on a server there is a quick way to get booted by your hosting company who is required to comply with UK law.

It is, however, legal to serve games from offshore into the UK, if they are legal in the country where they're hosted. The key here under UK law is "where the bet is struck". The bet is considered to be struck where the server is. Since the UK abides by international trade laws (which the US refuses to sign onto), they have to allow their citizens to strike bets in another country so long as those bets are legal under that country's law.

Now here's where it gets interesting. There is no jurisdiction on earth where it's legal to host an online gambling site without a government-issued license, except for Costa Rica. Costa Rica requires something called a "data-processing license" but it is not strictly a license (more a way of incorporating) and is not subject to gambling regulation as such. The reason for this is that, for historical reasons and thanks to a byzantine Napoleonic legal structure, Costa Rica contradicts the rest of the world (except, interestingly, the United States) and considers the bet to be struck on the user's computer, not where the servers are. So they see nothing wrong with hosting a casino there. What you're not allowed to do in Costa Rica, if you host there, is take Costa Rican players. Because then you'd be breaking their law by running an on-shore casino. Funky, right?

It is certainly illegal to host a gaming site in Ireland without an Irish gaming license (this came into force several years ago; before that Ireland had no specific legislation on it and it wasn't prosecuted).

However, the vagaries of where a bet is "struck" leave open a number of interesting loopholes for the clever site operator. For example, some countries which require a license to host gambling have various amnesties in their laws to attract business, which allow back-office operations to be run there, even downloads to be served there, so long as the bet isn't struck there. Some will consider the location of the RNG to be where the bet is struck, and others consider it to be where the player connects to the game server (assuming those are two different machines). Hosting in Costa Rica is enormously expensive, the bandwidth is terrible and the service is nonexistent. So many companies host their primary website there and serve the games elsewhere.

The ONLY way you can be sure that what you're doing in a particular country is legal is to hire a gambling attorney in that country to advise you and, if possible, put an opinion on it in writing. The safest route for a casino not willing to pay for a governmental license is to get incorporated in Costa Rica for $1000 or so and serve the games and RNG from there; and then put your non-gambling stuff like videos, graphics, sounds, etc. on faster servers wherever you want. I like http://nohostsland.com for finding servers in odd parts of the world. But DO NOT consider sticking gambling services on one of these VPS's, or on a server anywhere in the EU without a proper license from the country you're serving from.

If you have the money, some countries which offer packaged license/hosting/banking arrangements are: Malta, Curacao, the Isle of Man, Kahnawake (First Nations, Canada), Belize, Antigua; and on the top shelf, the UK, Australia, France and Italy (primarily for domestic markets).

Also be aware that the UK classifies two types of offshore casinos: Those licensed in the EU or with a country whose gaming regime is recognized by the EU (e.g. Curacao), and those not recognized (e.g. Costa Rica). While it is not illegal for a Costa Rica casino to take UK players, it is illegal in the UK for Costa Rica based casinos to advertise in print, on radio or television. Again, lots of rules, so the best advice? Lawyer up and don't take advice that could land you in jail from anonymous people on the internet.

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February 09, 2013, 02:44:04 PM
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Any country with legal online gambling should be fine, UK could be one place.

This is completely false.

Seems there's a lot of misinformation and basic misunderstandings here. Whenever I see this topic come up in the non-BTC gambling world, I see the same vague and incorrect suggestions over and over.

Just because online gambling is legal in a country does not mean you can host an unlicensed site there. The UK has a very strict licensing regiment with master licenses costing around £500,000 per year. Hosting unlicensed games on a server there is a quick way to get booted by your hosting company who is required to comply with UK law.

It is, however, legal to serve games from offshore into the UK, if they are legal in the country where they're hosted. The key here under UK law is "where the bet is struck". The bet is considered to be struck where the server is. Since the UK abides by international trade laws (which the US refuses to sign onto), they have to allow their citizens to strike bets in another country so long as those bets are legal under that country's law.

Now here's where it gets interesting. There is no jurisdiction on earth where it's legal to host an online gambling site without a government-issued license, except for Costa Rica. Costa Rica requires something called a "data-processing license" but it is not strictly a license (more a way of incorporating) and is not subject to gambling regulation as such. The reason for this is that, for historical reasons and thanks to a byzantine Napoleonic legal structure, Costa Rica contradicts the rest of the world (except, interestingly, the United States) and considers the bet to be struck on the user's computer, not where the servers are. So they see nothing wrong with hosting a casino there. What you're not allowed to do in Costa Rica, if you host there, is take Costa Rican players. Because then you'd be breaking their law by running an on-shore casino. Funky, right?

It is certainly illegal to host a gaming site in Ireland without an Irish gaming license (this came into force several years ago; before that Ireland had no specific legislation on it and it wasn't prosecuted).

However, the vagaries of where a bet is "struck" leave open a number of interesting loopholes for the clever site operator. For example, some countries which require a license to host gambling have various amnesties in their laws to attract business, which allow back-office operations to be run there, even downloads to be served there, so long as the bet isn't struck there. Some will consider the location of the RNG to be where the bet is struck, and others consider it to be where the player connects to the game server (assuming those are two different machines). Hosting in Costa Rica is enormously expensive, the bandwidth is terrible and the service is nonexistent. So many companies host their primary website there and serve the games elsewhere.

The ONLY way you can be sure that what you're doing in a particular country is legal is to hire a gambling attorney in that country to advise you and, if possible, put an opinion on it in writing. The safest route for a casino not willing to pay for a governmental license is to get incorporated in Costa Rica for $1000 or so and serve the games and RNG from there; and then put your non-gambling stuff like videos, graphics, sounds, etc. on faster servers wherever you want. I like http://nohostsland.com for finding servers in odd parts of the world. But DO NOT consider sticking gambling services on one of these VPS's, or on a server anywhere in the EU without a proper license from the country you're serving from.

If you have the money, some countries which offer packaged license/hosting/banking arrangements are: Malta, Curacao, the Isle of Man, Kahnawake (First Nations, Canada), Belize, Antigua; and on the top shelf, the UK, Australia, France and Italy (primarily for domestic markets).

Also be aware that the UK classifies two types of offshore casinos: Those licensed in the EU or with a country whose gaming regime is recognized by the EU (e.g. Curacao), and those not recognized (e.g. Costa Rica). While it is not illegal for a Costa Rica casino to take UK players, it is illegal in the UK for Costa Rica based casinos to advertise in print, on radio or television. Again, lots of rules, so the best advice? Lawyer up and don't take advice that could land you in jail from anonymous people on the internet.

Couldn't be put any better, thanks for taking the time to put things in perspective for everyone.

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February 10, 2013, 08:03:26 PM
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Any country with legal online gambling should be fine, UK could be one place.

This is completely false.

Seems there's a lot of misinformation and basic misunderstandings here. Whenever I see this topic come up in the non-BTC gambling world, I see the same vague and incorrect suggestions over and over.

Just because online gambling is legal in a country does not mean you can host an unlicensed site there. The UK has a very strict licensing regiment with master licenses costing around £500,000 per year. Hosting unlicensed games on a server there is a quick way to get booted by your hosting company who is required to comply with UK law.

It is, however, legal to serve games from offshore into the UK, if they are legal in the country where they're hosted. The key here under UK law is "where the bet is struck". The bet is considered to be struck where the server is. Since the UK abides by international trade laws (which the US refuses to sign onto), they have to allow their citizens to strike bets in another country so long as those bets are legal under that country's law.

Now here's where it gets interesting. There is no jurisdiction on earth where it's legal to host an online gambling site without a government-issued license, except for Costa Rica. Costa Rica requires something called a "data-processing license" but it is not strictly a license (more a way of incorporating) and is not subject to gambling regulation as such. The reason for this is that, for historical reasons and thanks to a byzantine Napoleonic legal structure, Costa Rica contradicts the rest of the world (except, interestingly, the United States) and considers the bet to be struck on the user's computer, not where the servers are. So they see nothing wrong with hosting a casino there. What you're not allowed to do in Costa Rica, if you host there, is take Costa Rican players. Because then you'd be breaking their law by running an on-shore casino. Funky, right?

It is certainly illegal to host a gaming site in Ireland without an Irish gaming license (this came into force several years ago; before that Ireland had no specific legislation on it and it wasn't prosecuted).

However, the vagaries of where a bet is "struck" leave open a number of interesting loopholes for the clever site operator. For example, some countries which require a license to host gambling have various amnesties in their laws to attract business, which allow back-office operations to be run there, even downloads to be served there, so long as the bet isn't struck there. Some will consider the location of the RNG to be where the bet is struck, and others consider it to be where the player connects to the game server (assuming those are two different machines). Hosting in Costa Rica is enormously expensive, the bandwidth is terrible and the service is nonexistent. So many companies host their primary website there and serve the games elsewhere.

The ONLY way you can be sure that what you're doing in a particular country is legal is to hire a gambling attorney in that country to advise you and, if possible, put an opinion on it in writing. The safest route for a casino not willing to pay for a governmental license is to get incorporated in Costa Rica for $1000 or so and serve the games and RNG from there; and then put your non-gambling stuff like videos, graphics, sounds, etc. on faster servers wherever you want. I like http://nohostsland.com for finding servers in odd parts of the world. But DO NOT consider sticking gambling services on one of these VPS's, or on a server anywhere in the EU without a proper license from the country you're serving from.

If you have the money, some countries which offer packaged license/hosting/banking arrangements are: Malta, Curacao, the Isle of Man, Kahnawake (First Nations, Canada), Belize, Antigua; and on the top shelf, the UK, Australia, France and Italy (primarily for domestic markets).

Also be aware that the UK classifies two types of offshore casinos: Those licensed in the EU or with a country whose gaming regime is recognized by the EU (e.g. Curacao), and those not recognized (e.g. Costa Rica). While it is not illegal for a Costa Rica casino to take UK players, it is illegal in the UK for Costa Rica based casinos to advertise in print, on radio or television. Again, lots of rules, so the best advice? Lawyer up and don't take advice that could land you in jail from anonymous people on the internet.

Thanks that was very informative.

I do think this applies to regular gambling, but maybe not all to "bitcoin gambling"

I know satushidice is hosted in Ireland and sealswithclubs in Iceland, both without a license if im correct. So im very unsure about what would be the best approach still. I appears that those sites have come to the conclusion that the gambling laws does not apply to "bitcoin gambling" and they suprisingly went for an EU host..  Seems risky.

About Costa Rica, Ive heard that it has gotten significantly more expensive to operate from there, and as you mentioned the hosting alternatives there are terrible.

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February 10, 2013, 08:37:04 PM
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Any country with legal online gambling should be fine, UK could be one place.

This is completely false.

Actually it isn't false, due to the fact that he does want to setup a bitcoin gambling site, I researched it out, the UK is perfectly fine for bitcoin gambling if you were to start accepting Euros you be in trouble.

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Any country with legal online gambling should be fine, UK could be one place.

This is completely false.

Actually it isn't false, due to the fact that he does want to setup a bitcoin gambling site, I researched it out, the UK is perfectly fine for bitcoin gambling if you were to start accepting Euros you be in trouble.

Show me the law, and show me a UK host that wouldn't pull the plug on it and leave all the customers Shit Outta Luck at the first inquiry from the police.

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Any country with legal online gambling should be fine, UK could be one place.

This is completely false.

Actually it isn't false, due to the fact that he does want to setup a bitcoin gambling site, I researched it out, the UK is perfectly fine for bitcoin gambling if you were to start accepting Euros you be in trouble.

Show me the law, and show me a UK host that wouldn't pull the plug on it and leave all the customers Shit Outta Luck at the first inquiry from the police.

Cause they use bitcoin and not real money Smiley

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February 10, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
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Cause they use bitcoin and not real money Smiley

My God. I can't believe I paid all these lawyers for advice when the answer was so simple. Roll Eyes

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Cause they use bitcoin and not real money Smiley

My God. I can't believe I paid all these lawyers for advice when the answer was so simple. Roll Eyes

You do know that most lawyers are over cautious when it comes to money and casino things like this

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Costa Rica: http://www.cyberfuel.com/contact-cyberfuel

no sign of btc acceptance (yet) Cheesy

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LOL. Under no circumstances use cyberfuel unless you're happy with a 50Mbps uplink and a 500 Mb monthly cap for an absurd amount of money in a totally insecure location. From what I know, that company is basically one guy with a couple PCs and a cable modem. A lawyer who incorporates you in Costa Rica will be able to point you to a decent hosting service. Although due to the lack of bandwidth in country it will still be significantly more expensive than what you'd see in the States.

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The way I understand it is that bitcoin gaming is a complete gray zone. It hasn't been declared illegal nor legal.
Of course, it's pretty obvious the chances of it becoming regulated in x-amount of time (though where time is highly likely > several years) is pretty high if bitcoin keeps growing.
I think by that time, it's probably pretty predictable around when it will happen, and I suspect in the future bitcoin gambling sites will take according measurements.  But right now, nobody is breaking any law, and thus, you can get away with anything. Just keep in mind it will happen 99% down the line.

So is it necessary to choose a different, neutral tld for your gambling site because of this now? Imo, no. I don't think it matters, although bitcoin is growing like crazy it's still very early and we are too far away from anything serious to base your decision on it right now. Same for hosting. Creating a fair gaming environment and gaining trust from your customers is imo right now far more important.

If I am in USA and I open a BITCOIN gaming site where I accept btc payments and give out btc prizes to the winners, will I be at risk?

Should I host in another country to be safe? And pay for my webhosting entirely in bitcoin in costa rica or Iceland, for example?

I don't want to be breaking any laws, but I really would like to be able to open my site. What's the best way to pull this off right now?
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What about the Philippines? I read that there is this Cagayan Economic Zone Authority.

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Looks interesting, but unless I contact them, doesn't show on any website how I could get started. It's mentioned somewhere else, in another article about online gambling hosted or run or served from the Philippines.

I'm in the Philippines btw. What I do understand, is that any online casino I operate here, I can not cater to Filipino citizens, similar to Costa Rica.

What is not clear, is if bitcoin is considered real money or play money, at least here. People play Diablo, Ragnarok, and other MMORPGs with play money, and they openly buy and sell in-game currency and items.

I don't see how bitcoin could be different. Depends on if and when the government defines it.

I do know that some operators like Playtech have employees working here, like "Live Dealers" for internet casinos located elsewhere.

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September 23, 2013, 09:39:23 AM
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Just find one from a country who hates America, and wont extradite, nor send the US any information if they ask.

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Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition treaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan, Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives, Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

Those might not be the best web hosting countries.

I beleive that satoshidice is hosted in Ireland at least that's what a reverse lookup of their ip 54.247.163.243 says
correct list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States#International_extradition
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March 02, 2014, 08:55:04 AM
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sorry for reviving an old thread, but if you're transacting only in BTC and hosting it in the US, would a gambling website still be allowed to operate because it wouldn't be illegal?

Of course the risk is that they write in laws defining BTC as a legal currency.  Is there any precedent or any cases where they have shutdown BTC gambling sites that are hosted in the US?

The best choice would definitely be to find a more hospitable host country.
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May 04, 2014, 12:56:28 AM
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For Offshore Hosting Services in Costa Rica please consider CRServers.com

We have a wide variety of options available from low budget VPS's (http://www.crservers.com/virtual-private-servers.html) to powerful Dell Quad-Core dedicated servers (http://www.crservers.com/dedicated-servers.html)

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July 02, 2017, 01:59:39 PM
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I have written about this before and I will write about it again.

The only place to host your BitCoin casino with peace of mind is with curacaowebhosting.com, the whole purpose of the business is to host gambling related businesses which includes BitCoin casinos.

The entity lives in what is known as the "economic zone" and is run by a licensed gambling company.

1. You are free to host your BitCoin casino with them, no one is going to rip your servers off the walls and no one is going to give up your private information. This is protected by law.
2. If you want something stupid like an unmetered hosting account, don't even bother going since you can not afford it (no one can).
3. If you want to advertise your casino commercially through above the line media you will need a license. However, there are plenty of gorilla techniques you can use until you can afford licensing.
4. A recent article was written with regards to the cost of licensing and how you can go about getting this right, have a read: http://gamblinghosting.curacaowebhosting.com/2017/06/gambling-licenses-verses-gamblingteccom.html

We are busy building an Ethereum based casino game which we will be hosting from Curacao. If the game takes off it will be duly licensed and regulated under the Gamblingtec.com platform which is essentially a community based gaming platform designed for game developers and casino operators who can not afford the huge expenses of going direct.

Good luck!

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