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February 27, 2013, 08:35:42 PM
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5. Why was XRP developed while Bitcoin would have been enough to prevent transaction spam? (requires a tiny fraction of a bitcoin to send a transaction, take that from the value being sent, even if that value is not in bitcoin)
There is no known mechanism for transacting Bitcoins off the blockchain that doesn't itself require a central authority (to hold the signing keys that would release the bitcoins). You wind up with horrible solutions like each Ripple transaction requiring a Bitcoin transaction. You also have the problem of whether you destroy the bitcoins or pay them to someone. If you pay them to someone who is not a central authority, the scheme can be rigged by someone who puts themselves on both sides.

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February 27, 2013, 08:57:16 PM
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I haven't seen your opinion on something that seems like an obvious flaw in using XRP as a store of value: lowering the account reserve, which must happen from time to time due to growth and lost/used up XRP, will unlock large amounts of XRP and lower the price. This would happen suddenly and not according to any fixed schedule, unlike Bitcoin block rewards. Why would I want to store value in XRP when I can easily convert it to BTC and avoid this?
I think that's exactly the point.. XRP is not meant to be a store of value.. its the oil that keeps the Ripple system going.  Maybe it'll go up or maybe it'll stay extremely low for ever.. its really at the whim of OpenCoin and the devs who hold the majority.. but you don't have to worry because its not a store of value like Bitcoin.

I don't think it will even be able to function as a store of value. As stated below: Bitcoin's supply is infinitely expandable; Ripple's supply is infinitely renewable.

A bad analogy would compare Bitcoin to voltage and Ripple to current.

so if the XRP's are not expected to increase in value, why is it that this is exactly what expectations i'm hearing from ppl who are rushing to get their hands on them?  also giving them out for free encourages one to just hoard them in case they do skyrocket in value.  after all, they didn't cost them anything.  some Bitcoin miners otoh have to sell mined Bitcoins to pay for the costs of mining or the work they've performed.  this encourages dissemination of the units.

Expectations don't necessarily translate into reality, and I don't expect them to here. Adoption will be the major driving factor here, as it is with Bitcoin. The difference is that without market competition for limited supply, the value is unlikely to rise much until the available units have been distributed and a steady turnover volume has been achieved. It's like try to keep a 100m rope taught with only a 1m arm span.

how do the validators get paid?  what incentives do they have to set up servers and pay the costs?  don't they, as well as OpenCoin, represent focal points of failure?  the entire system depends on them.

Validators don't get paid. Each time a transaction occurs, the XRP used to facilitate the respective transfer is debited from the 100,000,000,000 unit ledger, making all remaining XRP worth slightly more than they were in relation to the entire supply.

For example, a transaction occurs and now there are 99,999,999,999 units remaining. Let's say that there are 80,000,000,000 XRP left after two years. The residual could conceivably be worth ~20% more than if there were 100,000,000,000 of them, because they're becoming more scarce. However, it's probable that there will be an extended delay in value increase due to the sheer volume of supply. For there to be real constraints on the units available, there would have to be a lot of transactions occurring. That means a lot of users.

Value will only rise when that supply limit becomes a practical constraint. However, like bitcoins, ripples are arbitrarily divisible. Therefore, the supply constraints will be balanced out to a large degree by progressively lower XRP-valued transfer costs. In effect, the BTC cost to conduct a Ripple transaction might never change! It would only change in terms of XRP. In other words, if your wealth is within the Ripple system, it will only appreciate if it remains within that system. Otherwise, it will be essentially the same value as when it entered, at least in terms of XRP valuation.

Bitcoin and Ripple divisibility:

Bitcoin's supply is infinitely expandable; Ripple's supply is infinitely renewable.

If Ripple becomes such a dominant network that it covers the vast majority of known financial structures, it is possible that XRP holders could be well rewarded in relation to other asset classes. That's a ways off, though. For now, as the situation exists, Bitcoin is the cryptocurrency; it will act as the means of exchange, metric of value, and store of value. Ripple is primarily suited as a means of exchange; if it remains small, it could become a MoV and SoV; if it becomes large, it would primarily be a MoE and MoV, but not a strong SoV.
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April 09, 2018, 09:05:27 PM
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Perhaps the lack of full decentralization is one of the most popular criticisms of Ripple.

For beginners this does not seem such a big problem. However, for the "veterans" of the industry, decentralization is very important. Proponents of decentralized crypto-currencies consider the Internet to be an exemplary decentralized system: the flow of information flows is free and open (with some restrictions) in the absence of a single governing body.

At the same time, the other part of the crypto community is ready to put up with concentrated management, since the reverse, in their opinion, is inefficient. The developers of Ripple recognize that XRP works somewhat differently than the same bitcoyne, and is not as decentralized as they would like. But has XRP become the best form of digital money than bitcoin?
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April 09, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
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When you are out in a boat on the water, a ripple sounds nice. But when the boat has holes in it, there is a major problem.

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