Re: Cheap Investigative Service (danieldaniel vs sublime)

[sublime5447]

This has been requested removed so it has been. Thanks

[danieldaniel]

Thanks BCB, we will do more deals when the price levels out.
So all that shit with daniel (a F!@#$ing kid) and he was the one scamming me. I told him that I would give him two coins if he got a MP charged back that the owner said was theirs. I am guessing you didn't know that BCB, but it is in the feed some where. I told him that you had to say it was yours. Money pak trader already told me that if you said it was someone else's they would charge back. It is not accurate to say I bet daniel he never took the bet. I told him I would give 2 btc if he could get it charged back just for my knowledge. So I was paying him for information that was never provided.

   
Re: I load your debit card in exchange for your BTC, you get 8% more $ over spot
February 07, 2013, 03:41:47 AM
      #59
Quote from: sethsethseth on January 29, 2013, 03:02:33 AM
Me to BCB:  "did you tell greendot it was your moneypak?"
BCB:  "No.  I could have pushed harder, but didn't want to get danieldaniel in trouble."



Shit so the truth comes out god damn truth it just will not stay hidden. So I was the one scammed. BCB didnt tell him it was his money pak. When the bet was made I said I would honor it if BCB said it was his. You asshole draging my name thought the mud and you are the one scamming daniel!

sublime5447 is not a scammer.

He may have very strong opinions that many people disagree with but to my knowledge he has never defrauded anyone.  And yes ssublime5447 and I have traded significant amounts of btc and ppusd.

Unfortunately in bitcoin with so many real scammers there is a palpable fear and paranoia and any one who is even the least bit suspect of being "sketchy" is guilty until proven innocent.

tldoctor, I find your services obviously very good and necessary, but did you know your client that requested sublime5447's info was not scammed by him and is actually a 14 year old junior high school student.   (sublime5447 did owe him a 2 btc bet which he eventually paid - but that was the extent of his "scamming")

I'm not sure what the legality of minors requesting this kind of information, and you releasing this information to a minor.  I guess if requesting personally identifying information from an investigater to recover a 40.00 bet is legal then you are clear.

just my 2c.

Goddamnit people.  I wanted to let this go, but fine:
Sublime told me to "fuck off" many times when I asked him about the debt on facebook.  He blocked me until eventually, when he came on IRC, I let him know that I had his info and that I was going to sue him in small claims court (with my parents).

He attempted to scam me until he realized that it was too hard.  That there would be real-world consequences.  

I will edit this post with the exact IRC log in 30 seconds, once I look through them and find them.  Sublime and BCB are making crap up, and I really wouldn't be surprised if BCB was sublime.

EDIT: I couldn't find the relevant logs from my logs, as they're way too long to search through.  FonziScheme (fbastage) gave me this, however:
2013-01-19 12:38:10] <sublime5447_> ya yes i will get if reversed prove and I got two coins for you

Source: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7jQg7XWj

After this, I asked him if he was serious (he said yes) and ;;ident'd him (to make sure it was really him).  Nowhere in that bet did it specify what BCB had to say.

And, also, the chargeback was confirmed by both BCB and I.  So the information that it was charged back WAS provided.  I don't get what BCB's motive is to protect sublime, but IMO there's something else going on.

TL;DR:
Sublime didn't pay until weeks after, and only under the condition that I have everyone remove their negative ratings (AND I RATE HIM POSITIVELY).  This was also only offered because I had all of his info and intended to sue him in small claims.

[fbastage]

this is quite the attempt for sublime5447 to revise history

but frankly I'm not surprised.  he's been scammy since day 1 in #bitcoin-otc and 10 times as trolly as he is scammy.

[sublime5447]

I bet you do want to forget it you little shit. Going around the internet calling everyone a scammer, you are a slanderer there needs to be something that can be done about that. I dont know how to do it but you can go back in the feed you can see where I said I would do it if BCB said it was his. It wasnt a bet daniel. If you had taken me up on a bet then if I won you would have to give me 2 btc. You wouldnt take that bet, I would guess because you have no coins.
I had the coins and told everyone i was going to give them to you before you tried to extort me with my personal info. The reason I told you to fuck off is you and the other fags on otc where talking shit to my wife (I still have a big fuck you for that). I was banned from the channel and couldnt log in to verify with bcb that it was charged back that is the other reason. As soon as I heard from BCB that he was charged back I gave you the coins. If I had known he didnt say that it was his MP. I would have told you to go fuck yourself. 
As for me being BCB... HA I wish that dude has coins and sells lots too.  BTW. Since I have been a member I have seen you call at least 3 people I know to be straight scammers. MPT, ME, BCB. You are a pest to the btc community. I might not be liked but I dont go around making false allegations. Like MPT is a drug dealer, or I am not chris north, or that BCB is Me   

Daniel= the boy who cried scammer

[danieldaniel]

I bet you do want to forget it you little shit. Going around the internet calling everyone a scammer, you are a slanderer there needs to be something that can be done about that. I dont know how to do it but you can go back in the feed you can see where I said I would do it if BCB said it was his. It wasnt a bet daniel. If you had taken me up on a bet then if I won you would have to give me 2 btc. You wouldnt take that bet, I would guess because you have no coins.
I had the coins and told everyone i was going to give them to you before you tried to extort me with my personal info. The reason I told you to fuck off is you and the other fags on otc where talking shit to my wife (I still have a big fuck you for that). I was banned from the channel and couldnt log in to verify with bcb that it was charged back that is the other reason. As soon as I heard from BCB that he was charged back I gave you the coins. If I had known he didnt say that it was his MP. I would have told you to go fuck yourself. 
As for me being BCB... HA I wish that dude has coins and sells lots too.  BTW. Since I have been a member I have seen you call at least 3 people I know to be straight scammers. MPT, ME, BCB. You are a pest to the btc community. I might not be liked but I dont go around making false allegations. Like MPT is a drug dealer, or I am not chris north, or that BCB is Me   

Daniel= the boy who cried scammer

MPT admitted to being a drug dealer, first of all.  Second of all, I didn't call BCB a scammer (another lie).  And yes, I called you a scammer because you scammed me.

Second of all: I did not extort you with my information.  I specifically said that I wouldn't do anything with it and that I will never show it to anyone.  I said that I would sue you in small claims court, however.

And it was a contract that you agreed to.  It was a one-way bet, but it was still a bet.

I didn't tell anyone to "talk shit" to your wife.  I'm pretty sure you told her to come on. 

Also, you agreed to send it if it was charged back.  You NEVER said what BCB had to say.  So you just admitted that you would have scammed me.  Great.

[sublime5447]

You are nuts arent you. You think if someone sells btc on the silkroad they are admitting to being a drug dealer
You think I scammed you? I employed you when I found out that you did your job I paid you even though the job wasn't done properly
If you say that I am bcb or that bcbis me then you are calling us both identity thefts
 "I specifically said that I wouldn't do anything with it and that I will never show it to anyone." You said that after I gave you the 2 coins what would you have done if I refused to pay?
I told you all along you would get paid when BCB said you got it reversed I said I wanted the document or a screen shot to prove it. I gave you the 2 coins without documentation.
As for my statement it is true and can be found in the feed. I am sure someone can find it. Tell me how to look and I will find it.

[danieldaniel]

You are nuts arent you. You think if someone sells btc on the silkroad they are admitting to being a drug dealer
You think I scammed you? I employed you when I found out that you did your job I paid you even though the job wasn't done properly
If you say that I am bcb or that bcbis me then you are calling us both identity thefts
 "I specifically said that I wouldn't do anything with it and that I will never show it to anyone." You said that after I gave you the 2 coins what would you have done if I refused to pay?
I told you all along you would get paid when BCB said you got it reversed I said I wanted the document or a screen shot to prove it. I gave you the 2 coins without documentation.
As for my statement it is true and can be found in the feed. I am sure someone can find it. Tell me how to look and I will find it.

#1: Fine, maybe he just sold BTC on Silk Road.  But SR is generally a shady thing to be on, so it leads me to believe there was something more than just BTC.
#2: Sock-puppet != identity theft.  Also, that was more said out of frustration than anything.  I more meant that he has some other interest for defending you.
#3: I actually said that I was letting it go either way, and that you could pay me if you want.  I will get the entire log in a sec.

Will edit with pastebin link soon.

EDIT: http://pastebin.com/tsZBJY5R

[sublime5447]

I alway pay my debts I told you I would pay you if you got it reversed I did but the caveat that the test would need to be for someone who claimed it to be their MP. My point to you is to stop calling every new person a scammer. Wait to break the scammer tags out until someone has stolen. When new people come in who are honest business people you should work with them not turn them away. Bitcoin will never grow like that. 

[danieldaniel]

I alway pay my debts I told you I would pay you if you got it reversed I did but the caveat that the test would need to be for someone who claimed it to be their MP. My point to you is to stop calling every new person a scammer. Wait to break the scammer tags out until someone has stolen. When new people come in who are honest business people you should work with them not turn them away. Bitcoin will never grow like that. 

I actually pasted a log proving that you did NOT say that it needed to be claimed as BCB's MP (also, he claimed it was a gift.  Gift == ownership).

Also, my guess is that 50% or more of new users are scammers.  I have a right to be paranoid.

[sublime5447]

Someone tell me how to look back through the feed so I can show daniel is a liar. I am really starting to hate this kid. Gift doesnt mean ownership I said he would have to say it was his that he bought it. You scammed me and slandered me all over the internet. You suck kid.

[danieldaniel]

Someone tell me how to look back through the feed so I can show daniel is a liar. I am really starting to hate this kid. Gift doesnt mean ownership I said he would have to say it was his that he bought it. You scammed me and slandered me all over the internet. You suck kid.

Look it up here: http://bit.ly/NFg1Yy

You made the bet on 1/09/13 or 1/19/13, I forget which.

But in case you forgot, I already pasted everything you said.  

Also, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift.  A gift is something that someone gives to someone with no expectation of repayment.

Now, look at http://www.thefreedictionary.com/give.  To deliver.  

Understand?  When someone gifts something to someone, the receiver now owns it.  I know 3rd grade logic is hard, but I think you're smart enough to wrap your head around it.

EDIT: And also, you did not say that in the original bet that we agreed to.  You might have said it a week later, but I never agreed to that, so arguing this is moot.

[sublime5447]

You are real pain in the ass kid. You didnt post eveything because you didnt post where I said he would have to say "bought by me". Saying it was a gift doesnt say shit. Retard, if it is a gift where did it come from? humm. You have a card that you didnt buy that is claimed stolen! You didnt do your job to my satisfaction I should have given you 1 btc. Stop saying we had a bet. In a bet both parties wager you never put anything up. If i say I bet 100 $ you cant make a shot and you dont agree that you will give me 100 if you miss Then it is not a bet!. Hey daniel I bet you can suck a dick how much you wanna bet? I am done with this. I wont do business with you and I will advise others not to deal with you.

[danieldaniel]

You are real pain in the ass kid. You didnt post eveything because you didnt post where I said he would have to say "bought by me". Saying it was a gift doesnt say shit. Retard, if it is a gift where did it come from? humm. You have a card that you didnt buy that is claimed stolen! You didnt do your job to my satisfaction I should have given you 1 btc. Stop saying we had a bet. In a bet both parties wager you never put anything up. If i say I bet 100 $ you cant make a shot and you dont agree that you will give me 100 if you miss Then it is not a bet!. Hey daniel I bet you can suck a dick how much you wanna bet? I am done with this. I wont do business with you and I will advise others not to deal with you.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bet.  It does not say that the bet has to be two ways.  > An amount or object risked in a wager; a stake. (2).

You are the one that wanted to keep on making the discussion.  I'm battling lies with logic. 

And you did not ever say that.  If you did say that, find where you said it!  Paste a public log.  If you do that, then I'll believe you.

And you are the only one slandering me, here.

On another note, it doesn't matter if I did the job to 'your satisfaction'.  This wasn't a subjective bet.  It doesn't matter if you LIKE the outcome or not, you still had to pay me.

Can someone else step in here and explain that he's a liar?  He claims that he said something but won't get proof (a log)!

[sublime5447]

 Nerd I dont know how to find the logs I am not a tech guy. I have told you that before, it is there. I will find it later.

[danieldaniel]

Nerd I dont know how to find the logs I am not a tech guy. I have told you that before, it is there. I will find it later.

I posted a link to find them.  http://bit.ly/NFg1Yy.  It's public #bitcoin-otc logs. 

You are obviously the (attempted) scammer here.  I have no doubt at all that you would lie again to erase some other debt. 

You won't find the logs, and instead resort to telling me to "suck my dick," saying "you suck kid," calling me a "retard," and many other immature comments.  And you say I'm the one slandering you?

I have to say, you are giving me a good laugh.

[danieldaniel]

Oh, and I should mention.  I'm the only one in this thread that has given any evidence.  You are just making lies and false claims, that I have caught you on. 

Why don't you go onto another nick and try and scam us again?  This nick is already ruined.

[sublime5447]

I hate this kid. Did you get your coin? I am not changing my name.

ublime5447   so anyone taking my bet? 2 coins if it gets charged back?
00:49   serp   i'm not sure i trust danieldaniel to successfully do it
00:49   danieldaniel   serp: I've done many chargebacks before
00:49   sublime5447   cant be done
00:49   danieldaniel   (unrelated to bitcoins)

So daniel has done many charge backs before. huh

danieldaniel   I also taught a scammer how to do it

Really tell us all about training a scammer on charging back


00:51   danieldaniel   The whole point is that I scam him
00:51   FonziScheme   the whole point is you probably already scammed him by selling him a stolen MP
00:51   danieldaniel   Right.

Really stacking up now.


00:51   danieldaniel   Yeah, I totally stole a moneypak

I would not want people seeing all this

danieldaniel   joecool: a5m0: http://www.playinperson.com/cardtrocity/0c6c92a6cd15baf49d0f6142e8adb3d0
01:08   montesquieu   "Betters are debtors."<-- Nice
01:08   danieldaniel   We each pay the winner .2 btc
01:08   sublime5447   power cables made to length? with what ever receptical
01:08   danieldaniel   no
01:08   danieldaniel   who just joined?
01:08   joecool   danieldaniel: can i play as guest
01:08   joecool   or do i need acct
01:08   danieldaniel   joecool: is that you?
01:08   danieldaniel   you can play as guest as long as we know it's you

And you gamble.  Where are the logs for the 20th 21st and 22nd? You never took the bet liar. Convenient the days I need to show the rest of the story are missing. I will find more though later. Especially when I say that the person will have to say it was theirs. i think it was a couple hours later on the 20th. 

[danieldaniel]

I hate this kid. Did you get your coin? I am not changing my name.

ublime5447   so anyone taking my bet? 2 coins if it gets charged back?
00:49   serp   i'm not sure i trust danieldaniel to successfully do it
00:49   danieldaniel   serp: I've done many chargebacks before
00:49   sublime5447   cant be done
00:49   danieldaniel   (unrelated to bitcoins)

So daniel has done many charge backs before. huh

danieldaniel   I also taught a scammer how to do it

Really tell us all about training a scammer on charging back


00:51   danieldaniel   The whole point is that I scam him
00:51   FonziScheme   the whole point is you probably already scammed him by selling him a stolen MP
00:51   danieldaniel   Right.

Really stacking up now.


00:51   danieldaniel   Yeah, I totally stole a moneypak

I would not want people seeing all this

danieldaniel   joecool: a5m0: http://www.playinperson.com/cardtrocity/0c6c92a6cd15baf49d0f6142e8adb3d0
01:08   montesquieu   "Betters are debtors."<-- Nice
01:08   danieldaniel   We each pay the winner .2 btc
01:08   sublime5447   power cables made to length? with what ever receptical
01:08   danieldaniel   no
01:08   danieldaniel   who just joined?
01:08   joecool   danieldaniel: can i play as guest
01:08   joecool   or do i need acct
01:08   danieldaniel   joecool: is that you?
01:08   danieldaniel   you can play as guest as long as we know it's you

And you gamble.  Where are the logs for the 20th 21st and 22nd? You never took the bet liar. Convenient the days I need to show the rest of the story are missing. I will find more though later. Especially when I say that the person will have to say it was theirs. i think it was a couple hours later on the 20th.  

You are taking all of that out of context.

#1: I did take the bet.  Read the pastebin I pasted.
#2:

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00:49	danieldaniel	serp: I've done many chargebacks before
00:49	sublime5447	cant be done
00:49	danieldaniel	(unrelated to bitcoins)

I have made chargebacks for people who have scammed me.  Chargebacks are actually a great thing, for everything except for Bitcoin.  If someone scams you, you can charge them back!  
#3:

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00:51   danieldaniel   The whole point is that I scam him
00:51   FonziScheme   the whole point is you probably already scammed him by selling him a stolen MP
00:51   danieldaniel   Right.

Can you stop taking crap out of context?  I said that I was simulating a scam with BCB, if you would actually read the text.
#4:

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danieldaniel	I also taught a scammer how to do it

I did not know they were a scammer when I taught them.  The person claimed that they got scammed, so I guided them through charging the funds back.  Many people in OTC know about this, so you can ask them to verify what I am saying.

#5:

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00:51	danieldaniel	Yeah, I totally stole a moneypak

That's sarcasm.  Someone before asked if I stole a moneypak, so I said that sarcastically.  I'm not sure if you're stupid, or if you're just delusional.

#6:

Code:

danieldaniel	joecool: a5m0: http://www.playinperson.com/cardtrocity/0c6c92a6cd15baf49d0f6142e8adb3d0
01:08	montesquieu	"Betters are debtors."<-- Nice
01:08	danieldaniel	We each pay the winner .2 btc
01:08	sublime5447	power cables made to length? with what ever receptical
01:08	danieldaniel	no
01:08	danieldaniel	who just joined?
01:08	joecool	danieldaniel: can i play as guest
01:08	joecool	or do i need acct
01:08	danieldaniel	joecool: is that you?
01:08	danieldaniel	you can play as guest as long as we know it's you

Why do you care if I gamble on a card game?  That's none of your business.

Also, you are dodging my point.  It wasn't in the original agreement, so it doesn't really matter if you said it.  I never agreed to a revision of the bet, and you don't have the right to modify a bet after it was made.



I think you really are just trying to slander me with out-of-context quotes.  Really testifies to your maturity.

[Scrat Acorns]

[danieldaniel]

I know, right?  I was amused by it 20 minutes ago, but now he's trying to accuse me of being a scammer.  I don't take that lightly.