Reject Ukraine EU Association! Plea to Netherlands Before Dutch Referendum

[Nemo1024]

Reject Ukraine EU Association! Handicapped Ukrainian’s Plea to Netherlands Before Dutch Referendum
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/04/05/i-am-a-ukrainian-handicapped-ukrainians-explosive-plea-to-netherlands-before-dutch-referendum/

Я yкpaинeц / I am a Ukranian
Patriottistische gehandicapte oekraïner, adresseert Nederlanders!

On April 6 the Netherlands will vote in a referendum whether to approve Ukraine’s association with EU, or not. This explosive video from Alexey Zhuravko (RUS: Aлeкceй Жypaвкo) is a plea and call for the Dutch people to reject this association.

Zuravko is a Ukrainian patriot. He is a severely handicapped person, who, despite his disability, has been accused by the Kiev junta of treason and terrorism, and forced to flee the country. Before 2014 coup, Zhuravko was a Ukraine Rada deputy. He is originally from Kherson Oblast, on the border with Crimea. He knows first hand the plight of simple Ukrainians, who continue keeping in touch with him, telling him all their problems. His own Kherson Oblast is in a catastrophic state, being occupied by violent ukro-nazi battalions, Turkish and Crimean Tatar Mejlis militants, as well as ISIS militants.

Video (ENG with RUS and Dutch subs):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKl8w2Y-Gu4

The closing sentence is hard to hear. Just to make sure you don’t miss it, here it is:

‘I am a Ukrainian. For the sake of Ukraine, for the sake of European values and ideals, for the sake of the people of Ukraine, I ask you to reject Ukraine’s EU association agreement.’

[bryant.coleman]

Almost 62% of the voters went against the Ukraine association agreement. This is a massive blow for the Kiev junta. Now the Kiev media is busy finding silly excuses, in order to justify the results. The Kiev Post is pointing out that only 32% of the voters took part in the referendum, and therefore it should not count. If that is the case, then what about the Ukrainian parliamentary elections, in which less than 30% of the Eastern Ukrainians participated?

[Rizla2345]

In the European Union they let you vote again and again about the same issue until you produce the right result. It will probably be the same story here, might take a few years.

[Balthazar]

https://www.rt.com/news/339119-ukraine-pm-yatsenyuk-resigns/

Lemmings on the run 

[galdur]

According to Yatsenyuk, parliament speaker Vladimir Groysman will be Ukraine’s next PM. Will that be any improvement for them?

[Balthazar]

According to Yatsenyuk, parliament speaker Vladimir Groysman will be Ukraine’s next PM. Will that be any improvement for them?

Nope. But he will resign two years later and so on, until there will be no idiots left. That will take some time, but it's good in the long term.

[Nemo1024]

I find this analysis by Ishenko (a Ukrainian political analyst in exile) quite eye-opening:
https://cont.ws/post/242943
(in Russian)

In summary: EU could have either made the referendum not happen by bringing the turnout to below 30% (from 32%) or by nudging the equilibrium in the "for" direction". instead in the weeks before the referendum, the equilibrium was pushed into the "against" side. His conclusion is that EU is seeking a way to extradite itself from the Minsk-2 legal mess and to eventually dump the economical burden of rebuilding Ukraine onto Russia (USA basically did that already by snubbing Poroshenko, and then releasing the Panama papers).

We are witnessing a start of the game of hot potato: pass it on, pass it on, pass it on...

[galdur]

Yeah, I´ve suspected this for a long time. With Crimea and Donbass gone, there´s really nothing left of interest for U.S./NATO as regards the first and German industrial interests regarding the second. They had very high hopes of dominating Russia´s southern flank and also of a new Czechia in the east. But all they got was a very expensive headache. Russia only needs to wait, eventually they´ll come hat in hand and ask for her help in sorting this mess.

[Nemo1024]

Yeah, I´ve suspected this for a long time. With Crimea and Donbass gone, there´s really nothing left of interest for U.S./NATO as regards the first and German industrial interests regarding the second. They had very high hopes of dominating Russia´s southern flank and also of a new Czechia in the east. But all they got was a very expensive headache. Russia only needs to wait, eventually they´ll come hat in hand and ask for her help in sorting this mess.

One interest of the US still remains: Odessa. With Crimea gone, US shifted its aspiration of creating a military base in Odessa. There's been reports of foreign military surveyors i the area. One hope is that the price tag for it may outweigh the benefit of having it.

[galdur]

Yeah, I´ve suspected this for a long time. With Crimea and Donbass gone, there´s really nothing left of interest for U.S./NATO as regards the first and German industrial interests regarding the second. They had very high hopes of dominating Russia´s southern flank and also of a new Czechia in the east. But all they got was a very expensive headache. Russia only needs to wait, eventually they´ll come hat in hand and ask for her help in sorting this mess.

One interest of the US still remains: Odessa. With Crimea gone, US shifted its aspiration of creating a military base in Odessa. There's been reports of foreign military surveyors i the area. One hope is that the price tag for it may outweigh the benefit of having it.

Yeah, that´s true. Maybe that´s supposed to be something to fall back on. But that can´t replace Crimea and Sevastopol. I think that was the big idea from the start in the undermining of the Yanokuvych government.. Which also made me suspicious of the Russians back there. After all the coup gave them the perfect opportunity to reunite with Crimea. And that takeover was such a masterful and flawless operation. It must have been prepared. I think they had their hand in the coup in some ways. They are extremely dangerous, strategically speaking, and always underestimated.

[Nemo1024]

Yeah, I´ve suspected this for a long time. With Crimea and Donbass gone, there´s really nothing left of interest for U.S./NATO as regards the first and German industrial interests regarding the second. They had very high hopes of dominating Russia´s southern flank and also of a new Czechia in the east. But all they got was a very expensive headache. Russia only needs to wait, eventually they´ll come hat in hand and ask for her help in sorting this mess.

One interest of the US still remains: Odessa. With Crimea gone, US shifted its aspiration of creating a military base in Odessa. There's been reports of foreign military surveyors i the area. One hope is that the price tag for it may outweigh the benefit of having it.

Yeah, that´s true. Maybe that´s supposed to be something to fall back on. But that can´t replace Crimea and Sevastopol. I think that was the big idea from the start in the undermining of the Yanokuvych government.. Which also made me suspicious of the Russians back there. After all the coup gave them the perfect opportunity to reunite with Crimea. And that takeover was such a masterful and flawless operation. It must have been prepared. I think they had their hand in the coup in some ways. They are extremely dangerous, strategically speaking, and always underestimated.

Russia may have had a plan for Crimea for the eventuality of a violent coup in Ukraine (it was pretty obvious which way the things were blowing already in November 2013), but I hardly doubt Russia had any hand in organising the coup - for one it's simply not the Russian way of doing things, for the other, there were altogether too many American officials and puppets (Saakashvili's snipers) in the picture. If one postulates that Russia had a hand in the coup, then one also follow through with the logical conclusion that Russia runs the American foreign policy and has Biden, Nuland, Kerry, Obama on the payroll, which is unlikely.

[Balthazar]

for one it's simply not the Russian way of doing things

You're either naive or just lying to yourself.

Examples are well known:

Imperial governments were doing that in the central asia, replacing handicapped monarchs with reasonable rulers;
Stalin's government used this tactic to overthrow Baltic dictators in order to replace them with sane people;
Stalin's government provoked a public outcry in the Iranian Azerbaijan and used it to maintain a friendly regime there.

And this list is pretty long. Just for example, a recent maidan-style coup in the Republic of Abkhazia was quickly recognized by the Medvedev's government as an act of people's will. Do you believe such coincidences?

Common, any state would do that if it's profitable, and Russian state is not an exception here. The only difference is that Russian governments, including imperial ones, were doing that according to some plan. And new officials were not just randomly selected idiots but rather a sane politicians. Because Russia cares about its own future, which depends on the political stability of neighbour states. US and EU have no such goal in the mind, that's why they're appointing handicapped clowns, such as Poroshenko or Yatsenjuk.

[galdur]

Yeah, I´ve suspected this for a long time. With Crimea and Donbass gone, there´s really nothing left of interest for U.S./NATO as regards the first and German industrial interests regarding the second. They had very high hopes of dominating Russia´s southern flank and also of a new Czechia in the east. But all they got was a very expensive headache. Russia only needs to wait, eventually they´ll come hat in hand and ask for her help in sorting this mess.

One interest of the US still remains: Odessa. With Crimea gone, US shifted its aspiration of creating a military base in Odessa. There's been reports of foreign military surveyors i the area. One hope is that the price tag for it may outweigh the benefit of having it.

Yeah, that´s true. Maybe that´s supposed to be something to fall back on. But that can´t replace Crimea and Sevastopol. I think that was the big idea from the start in the undermining of the Yanokuvych government.. Which also made me suspicious of the Russians back there. After all the coup gave them the perfect opportunity to reunite with Crimea. And that takeover was such a masterful and flawless operation. It must have been prepared. I think they had their hand in the coup in some ways. They are extremely dangerous, strategically speaking, and always underestimated.

Russia may have had a plan for Crimea for the eventuality of a violent coup in Ukraine (it was pretty obvious which way the things were blowing already in November 2013), but I hardly doubt Russia had any hand in organising the coup - for one it's simply not the Russian way of doing things, for the other, there were altogether too many American officials and puppets (Saakashvili's snipers) in the picture. If one postulates that Russia had a hand in the coup, then one also follow through with the logical conclusion that Russia runs the American foreign policy and has Biden, Nuland, Kerry, Obama on the payroll, which is unlikely.

I don´t think they had a hand in organizing the coup itself but once it got going they may have had a hand in steering events to some extent. I´m sure they had their agents all over the place and solid contacts and still have. It´s a very long history to build relationships.

In any event; this gave them back their beloved Crimea. That´s worth a whole lot and also essential for their national security. And much of Ukraine will probably fall into their lap later if they want it. Those nazis and weirdos in Kiev are no danger to Russia. It´ll pass.