BW 14nm Miners Update

[carlosmnk]

OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me... 

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[d57heinz]

OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me... 

Lol. Same thoughts exactly.  Seems why reinvent the wheel. I just wish we had someone with something to compete with s9.

Best regards
D57heinz

[wlefever]

OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me... 

Lol. Same thoughts exactly.  Seems why reinvent the wheel. I just wish we had someone with something to compete with s9.

Best regards
D57heinz

Except this does 5 Th/s under 1000 watts

[philipma1957]

OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me...  

Lol. Same thoughts exactly.  Seems why reinvent the wheel. I just wish we had someone with something to compete with s9.

Best regards
D57heinz

Except this does 5 Th/s under 1000 watts

which beats the s-7 and loses soundly to the s-9

this is a 'free' power miner.

I think  July is going to be a waiting game for price and diff movement.

[HagssFIN]

I emailed them again:

Hi!
I see that you recently updated the miner page at BW.com.
When can we expect a public release of the miner?

They answered:

HI ~
we are miners has no release and if the sale will be published on the web site price.
thx for your questions!

[wlefever]

They're still trying to pay back the cloud contracts on B11 and B12 so I guess they are just mining internally.  They've been saying any public miner sales will be listed on the website since December 2015 so I wouldn't expect it.

[topiOleg]

I'm surprised that with the 14nm process it is so less efficient than the S9.
It is more like a competitor for the S7 and the Avalon6.

Of course we must keep in mind that this is not the newest miner from BW.com.
The latest one that I've heard of is BW.com B16, but I haven't seen any pics or detailed specs about it.
All I know that the advertised efficiency for the B16 is 0.149J/GHs.

Im very surprised as well, even B16 0.15 J/GHs effeciency is 50% worse than the S9. I thought asicboost improvenment (or how they call the patented modification) gives only around +20%. Very interesting, and the S9 looks like it is going to be the most effecient gear for very long time.

[scyth3]

I'm surprised that with the 14nm process it is so less efficient than the S9.
It is more like a competitor for the S7 and the Avalon6.

Of course we must keep in mind that this is not the newest miner from BW.com.
The latest one that I've heard of is BW.com B16, but I haven't seen any pics or detailed specs about it.
All I know that the advertised efficiency for the B16 is 0.149J/GHs.

Im very surprised as well, even B16 0.15 J/GHs effeciency is 50% worse than the S9. I thought asicboost improvenment (or how they call the patented modification) gives only around +20%. Very interesting, and the S9 looks like it is going to be the most effecient gear for very long time.

Hopefully the Avalon 7 changes that.

[QuintLeo]

Don't hold your breath for the Avalon 7.

 (1) Caanan was VERY late to even start development on 14/16nm - they'll get there per their latest announcements, BUT
 (2) There is some significant question if their new owner will let them continue to sell to the public (no definitive announcement either way on that).


 I'd guess 4Q and likely LATE 4Q for an Avalon 7 to go on sale, IF it happens.

[fusion0389]

Don't hold your breath for the Avalon 7.

 (1) Caanan was VERY late to even start development on 14/16nm - they'll get there per their latest announcements, BUT
 (2) There is some significant question if their new owner will let them continue to sell to the public (no definitive announcement either way on that).


 I'd guess 4Q and likely LATE 4Q for an Avalon 7 to go on sale, IF it happens.

I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

[alh]

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

[fusion0389]

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

That's a good point, but the cost of customer service is usually accounted for in the price difference between consumer and enterprise pricing. Very curious to see how this all plays out.

[asradoni]

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

that is right. So the miner producers would like to sell the miners to big farms. As the support requirement is much lower.

[Sierra8561]

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

that is right. So the miner producers would like to sell the miners to big farms. As the support requirement is much lower.

I don't blame them. Bitmain is the only company willing to sale to small miners. Look at all the crap they take from people on this forum. If it wasn't for them small miners would be a thing of the past.

[QuintLeo]

Innosilicon - once they actually start shipping the A4.

 Avalon - if and when they actually release the A7 and start shipping it.

 Bitmain has just been taking advantage of a TEMPORARY "no significant competiton" timeframe.

[leowonderful]

Innosilicon - once they actually start shipping the A4.

 Avalon - if and when they actually release the A7 and start shipping it.

 Bitmain has just been taking advantage of a TEMPORARY "no significant competiton" timeframe.

All of them have been so vague with their estimations of when their miners are being shipped that I'd just give up and say that it'll take at least 4 months for anything worth mentioning to appear on the market for consumers. Bitmain's expensive-ass miner method seems to be working for them. Avalon's looking promising, but then again, we never know. Innosilicon actually looks pretty decent as of now, but unless they delay any further, they're in the Avalon boat.
Huge lull in new miners as of now that aren't bitmain, not the best situation.

[asradoni]

Innosilicon - once they actually start shipping the A4.

 Avalon - if and when they actually release the A7 and start shipping it.

 Bitmain has just been taking advantage of a TEMPORARY "no significant competiton" timeframe.

I think the A4 and A7 are being shipped to institutional buyers. That is much less service cost for the manufacturers.