Sick of Martingale? Give this a shot... It works. Chart and Instructions.

[HeyYouGuys]

UPDATE JULY 4TH 2016

Many Special Thanks to all those who have PM'd me and posted here with winning amounts and variants!!  I havent replied to all of you but they are appreciated!

In response to many requests:  The strategy is provided Free of Charge. Many of you have posted winnings and PM'd me about positive results. If you win and would like to TIP, that of course is appreciated  I have seen many playing on dice sites, including high rollers using this system now, as well as what looks like variants of this sytem. Congrats on your winnings!  

ABOUT THE BOT

While I have (as mentioned in many posts below) already scripted multiple bots/scripts for this strategy for 2 dice sites; I won't be releasing it until after the PD4 update.

The bot will be first released for a Beta Test version for those who have tipped based on their winnings. Once the beta is finished, a final bot will be released, pricing, tbd.

TIP ADDRESS BTC:  17ndgy5wqDYHNqGFj4PNrMp3s9A719X8BM
If you TIP, please PM me as well to be added to the Beta Group for the upcoming Bot release.

ENJOY!

The system detailed below is a variant of Martingale and Paroli, which I have come up with to provide a high "jackpot" pattern of betting, minimal risk, and built in "insurance".

Read closely.

Its bet on a series of 12 total possible red/losses at 2.00X.  

Many players like to Martingale their bets, which is a sure way to lose your whole bankroll.

Feel free to give this a shot and post your results, thoughts and outcomes.

HOW TO PLAY THE "RISING WHILE LOSING PAROLI"

You start with an initial wager (I'll use simple numbers, but you can use any standard multiplier for your bets/bankroll).  Example:  1 could represent 0.00000100  and thus 2 would be 0.00000200

You start by placing a wager of 1. On loss you increase your bet to 2. You continue to increase your bet by 1 unit up to 12 (you could go higher if bankroll allows).  So you would bet on consecutive losses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on.

Upon a WIN: Upon the first WIN in any SERIES. You Double your Bet. You do this a maximum of TWO doublings. (Three consecutive wins). The series is then over, go back to 1.

So a series could look as follows:

BET      W/L          TOTAL OUTCOME

1        LOSE          -1
2        LOSE          -3
3        LOSE         - 6
4        WIN           -2
8        WIN           +6
16      WIN           +24  PROFIT
GO BACK TO 1

BET      W/L          TOTAL OUTCOME

1        LOSE          -1
2        LOSE          -3
3        LOSE          -6
4        LOSE          -10
5        WIN            -5
10       WIN           +5
20       WIN           +25 PROFIT

BET      W/L          TOTAL OUTCOME

1        LOSE          -1
2        LOSE          -3
3        LOSE          -6
4        LOSE          -10
5        WIN            -5
10       WIN           +5
20       LOSE          -15  LOSS   (This would be the 7th bet. Losing 15. Martingale bet 7 loss would be 127.  
GO BACK TO 1        

You reset back to 1 on any win... as well as any loss after a win.  So if you win bet 3, lose bet 4... go back to 1. After a broken win streak of 3, if you lose the 2nd or 3rd bet, no matter what, restart at 1.

This ends up being a much safer method than Martingale.  Martingale Simulation on 12 Rolls:


BET         WAGER         WIN/LOSE         CUMULATIVE LOSS           WIN PROFIT

1                 1                LOSE                     1                               1
2                 2                LOSE                     3                               1
3                 4                LOSE                     7                               1
4                 8                LOSE                     15                              1
5                 16              LOSE                     31                              1
6                 32              LOSE                     63                              1
7                 64              LOSE                     127                             1
8                 128             LOSE                     255                             1
9                 256             LOSE                     511                              1
10               512             LOSE                     1023                             1
11               1024            LOSE                     2056                             1
12               2056            LOSE                     4193                             1

WITH THE PAROLI VARIANT I'VE BEEN PLAYING:

The maximim loss you could ever sustain in a series is in a way insured by a non-expononetial increase in wager and limited increase on win.

The worst case scenario after BET 12 being a loss would be 78 Units.   The worst case loss on a WIN roll 12 WIN roll 13 LOSE role 14 is: 90

Because you would WIN bet 12 winning 12.  WIN bet 13 wining 24. And lose bet 14 losing 48. The wins on 12 and 13 in a way insure a huge loss on 14. A win on roll 14 after 12, 13 14 yields a profit of 18.

Any 3 series WIN STREAK after 4-8 losses yields a profit of 18-30 units. And many streaks can end after the 2nd win, thus you dont streak out the 3rd loss.

So give it a try, comments and thoughts welcome... but please spare the "the house always has an edge", yes i know we all know. Just a playing style.

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[xxxDD]

I will try this, at least it look better than martingale style

[Navesh Sapad]

I usually do this

10 % chance 0n loss increase by 1.2

Start with less base bet .

[HeyYouGuys]

I usually do this

10 % chance 0n loss increase by 1.2

Start with less base bet .

You should really try this method I've outlined in my op post. 

Simple:  Bet 0.00000100   If lose add 0.00000100... and so on for each loss max 12 then go back to 0.00000100.

On a win... say you've lost 5 so you bet 0.00000600 next bet after winning on 0.00000600 is now 0.00001200. If you lose, go back to 0.00000100. If you win do a final 3rd bet doubling. 0.00002400. Either way after the third bet, win or lose, go back to 0.00000100.

Try it. Really.

BTW, 0.00000100 could be 0.00010000.  If it was 10,000 sat, youd add 10,000 each loss. 

[onlinedragon]

Even when this should work and more people start using this the Dice sites will anticipate on this and change there Dice script.

[HeyYouGuys]

Even when this should work and more people start using this the Dice sites will anticipate on this and change there Dice script.

I could have swore they said the rolls were truly random and provably fair

Yea basically you're simply shooting for any 3x streak of wins. Thats it. Roughly 12.5% odds. But a payout of 20x what martingale pays.

So 12.5% win chance with 15-30x payout on win.

or Martingale and get

50% chance on win and 1x payout.

This does work.  Of course yes, either 1 you hit a simply bad loss streak never gaining on 3 wins in a row over 1000s of bets, or the house simply says- yea I dont like this well give you the rolls we like.

But yea, so what the sites manipulate rolls is that what you are saying?

[HeyYouGuys]

Interesting results on 3x payout with same betting pattern.

The bets meerly tread water and hold at the same amount... just waiting for a triple win. Just takes longer to hit 3 wins at 3x but losing streaks are nill.

[HeyYouGuys]

So I created a chart in excel to better get an idea of how to use the payout factor correctly... I've been using 2.20 X and have doubled my bankroll in about 45 minutes using a small test amount and a small base bet under 20 satoshis.

Here is the chart (its a large jpg sorry lots of info).

I'll post a video showing gameplay as well. I scripted a small bot to automate the bets and just run automatically without me having to do anything. That was key. But yea so far... nice.

[minime0105]

I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.

[defined]

I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.

Indeed. It does not matter what 'strategy' you come up with, long term the house edge will always catch you.

[Twilight Equinox]

I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.

Indeed. It does not matter what 'strategy' you come up with, long term the house edge will always catch you.

Didn't the OP just said spare the "the house always have an edge" thing? Jeez.

Anyways, I tried this method. It honestly doesn't pay off at 45% (x2.2) imo. It brought me down to -23% of my bankroll just from the mere fact that it's harder to reach a 3 consecutive win streak. I had better payouts with martingale with x2.2. However, when I tried 49.5% (x2) it brought me back to +2 of my original bankroll. Of course it took a very long time but was worth it. Could've potentially have been at +25% if I went x2.

Just wanted to tell that it works! Well, to an extent, at least.

[HeyYouGuys]

I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.

Indeed. It does not matter what 'strategy' you come up with, long term the house edge will always catch you.

Didn't the OP just said spare the "the house always have an edge" thing? Jeez.

Anyways, I tried this method. It honestly doesn't pay off at 45% (x2.2) imo. It brought me down to -23% of my bankroll just from the mere fact that it's harder to reach a 3 consecutive win streak. I had better payouts with martingale with x2.2. However, when I tried 49.5% (x2) it brought me back to +2 of my original bankroll. Of course it took a very long time but was worth it. Could've potentially have been at +25% if I went x2.

Just wanted to tell that it works! Well, to an extent, at least.

Yea of course duration of play in terms of rounds does come in to play, so you went down on 2.2; but you (and of course you know) could have come back up; as luck does fall into the equation.

Another variant you can try; is to play for 4 consecutive wins, or 5 consecutive wins.

At 2x payout (49.50% chance of win); your maximum loss per roll is limited to whatever you set your base bet at provided you play through to a win of X (number of consecutive wins) you decide on in the begining.

So if you say decide on a base of 10000 satoshi you could see a bet sequence to win as follows:

FOR A LOSING SEQUENCE AIMING FOR 4 WINS:

0.00010000 LOSE
0.00020000 LOSE
0.00030000 LOSE
0.00040000 LOSE
0.00050000 WIN     (AT WHICH POINT YOU HAVE ROLLED 5 ROLLS / NET P/L IS NOW -0.00050000   (0.00010000 PER ROLL)
0.00100000 WIN
0.00200000 WIN
0.00400000 LOSE   (EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE LOST; YOU HAVE STILL ONLY RISKED AND LOST 0.00050000 YET PLAYED 9 ROLLS = LOSS OF LESS THAN 0.00006000 PER ROLL

NOW FOR A WINNING SEQUENCE:

0.00010000 LOSE
0.00020000 LOSE
0.00030000 WIN    (AT WHICH POINT YOU HAVE ROLLED 3 ROLLS / NET P/L IS NOW 0.00000000   (0.00000000 PER ROLL)
0.00060000 WIN
0.00120000 WIN
0.00240000 WIN   NET WIN:    +0.00420000

REGARDLESS; It doesnt matter how many losses you have before you hit your win streak; your maximum loss per roll is limited by this strategy to your base bet x # of rolls.

Martingale is too risky, a long loss streak wipes you out. But with this strategy, as long as you calculate a safe number of being able to hit some bad losing streaks in a row; as in losing 8x then 10x then 5x then 7x before hitting an actual win/reset- the payout is much higher.

For Martingale, to net 0.00420000 in profit, you have to win 42 martingale series runs; without doubling up every roll and busting out.

This works much better.

I built a bot that does the betting and calculating and resetting all on it's own. It works great and havent lost thus far (knock on wood).

[liuka]

I will try this, at least it look better than martingale style

martingale strategy for dice is not good
you can't always profit for this strategy for the long time.

[HeyYouGuys]

This is the chart I created which shows the possible progression for the betting pattern.

If you look at the max loss vs payout, it can be a good way to play, and is also customizable, you could do 4x streaks, or even 5x. Depending on your bankroll.

3 seems to be the best overall for me, it has the least amount of up and down swings in balance.

I have run this with my bot starting at 100k satoshi a number of times, and a half day later the balance is 400k to 600k.

Here is the link to the chart:

[HeyYouGuys]

Ive been playing 1000 usually. Sometimes 2000, sometimes 500 (satoshis)

[HeyYouGuys]

Ive been playing 1000 usually. Sometimes 2000, sometimes 500 (satoshis)

Ok thanks, will give your method a chance later, but I guess this will be pain in the ass to play manually, what kind of bot you're using?

Its just a simple bot I created using WinAutomation. Unless you have the program, you can't read the source... it's their own propriatary "waj" format. The only other option I can output is an EXE, which is what I use. It runs as a sidecar to chrome or firefox.

You can see if you can download a free trial, I could then post the source waj project file for you. (That way you can read it for your safety - as while my EXE is totally non-malicious I would never recommend using an EXE file from someone on a site like that where it could steal coins.

But long short of it is, you set your base, it rolls, and follows the rules. Add base to each bet until win, double 3 times, reset. Rather simple.

Its slow though, but I dont code js or c+ so my coding ability is limited in that sense.

[Krayshock]

damn thanks to this i will try it let's see how it works
it looks better than martingale tho

[HeyYouGuys]

I played a while with a starting bet of 0.00025000.

Made 0.6000000 in under an hour.

[Mist]

Even when this should work and more people start using this the Dice sites will anticipate on this and change there Dice script.

That isnt how provably fair works

[ravioliren11]

Ermm so tried this with a script based on the method..and so far its not profitable..Care to show us a video of you profiting using this method?