Just airing some frustration and some facts about BTCPOP

[Casimir1904]

I am looking to migrate shares over to Havelock Investments.

I dont earn nothing from this but i will be able to sleep at night knowing the truth has finally been let out.

I am an honest person and I believe in the truth when it comes to customer funds and Identities.

Its not old news from last year V.Lace... Its recent

Interesting as you're not the owner anymore of BBS...

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09911924/filing-history

Would be interesting to know if Sebastian Quick knows about his new company?

[V.Lace]

I am looking to migrate shares over to Havelock Investments.

I dont earn nothing from this but i will be able to sleep at night knowing the truth has finally been let out.

I am an honest person and I believe in the truth when it comes to customer funds and Identities.

Its not old news from last year V.Lace... Its recent

Interesting as you're not the owner anymore of BBS...

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09911924/filing-history

Would be interesting to know if Sebastian Quick knows about his new company?

Dominick Quick is very Quick

[St4yInTh3D4rk]

Seb is my brother casimir... I just transferred it to him for safety sake

[Casimir1904]

Funny how defenders of pop with hundreds of thousands of dollars invested will defend tooth and nail. It's almost trumpish. " I drove a car once, it was a good car. Cars used to be better, it's those trucks taking all the good parts. I will make cars great again!" - question was about pops loss of a couple hundred thousand in bitcoin"

Oh crap I didn't like what he said! Grammar police time, oh no he did it again, sorry I can't read can you try another language?

Cas if the vest defense you have for anything is threatening a DoS go ahead buddy do it on my site. It's got traffic. Really not hard to mitigate though if you're prepared. Script kiddy threats should stay in the sandbox.

Are you able to read?
The ddos statement was something dom wrote on the site i linked...

Hunderd thousand in bitcoin? Even if that was true, Do you know how much pop raised from IPO?
btcpop inital fund raising: 300 BTC
Ardeva: 500 BTC
another 5% sold of pop for 400-500 BTC

140 btc loss was to dom as a private deal for debt he made on pop by missusing his status.

Even if pop lost coins to what ever that doesn't mean that their are any financial problems and sure people would be happy to buy another 5% of pop if needed.

You don't know any facts and your only source is the shit Dom is telling you...

So try to stay at the facts.

[Casimir1904]

Funny how defenders of pop with hundreds of thousands of dollars invested will defend tooth and nail. It's almost trumpish. " I drove a car once, it was a good car. Cars used to be better, it's those trucks taking all the good parts. I will make cars great again!" - question was about pops loss of a couple hundred thousand in bitcoin"

Oh crap I didn't like what he said! Grammar police time, oh no he did it again, sorry I can't read can you try another language?

Cas if the vest defense you have for anything is threatening a DoS go ahead buddy do it on my site. It's got traffic. Really not hard to mitigate though if you're prepared. Script kiddy threats should stay in the sandbox.

Funny how you defend Dom someone who said their was something around Chrsitmas/New Year and still asked people like me to invest in BBS?
Funny how you defend Dom who stated to use DDoS against others who wrote about him and GAW Miners.
Even if their was a hack you should think about who was one of the php main devs maybe?
Maybe think also about why his contract don't get renewed but at same time more coders searched?
C'mon think you can better.
The screenshot what dom is leaking from Internal chat just wrote about a loss, why did pop raise funds you guess? Maybe to get bigger staff when at the same time income isn't high enough?
The Insurance system in the begin was also crap, users lik dom could take out much debt with high insurance, That created also loss. Thats the reason it was changed.

He loses his Job and then comes with this story, before he asked investors to put more money in... yes seems legit.

The one who created lot of debt and lost all and then breaking deals made is the one to trust for sure.

[h3rlihy]

As a small-time investor in POP and elsewhere I think when somebody starts kicking up a fuss the second their contract is not renewed and they leave the company, they should be ignored and everybody should just move on xD

[Casimir1904]

I come with facts, you come with lies and feelings.

BTCPOP is registered as UK company.
Bitcoin is not regulated in the UK.
You know their was meetings with FSA, Lee told you also more than once and you still come up with the same BS.

Looks like "I dont have arguments but i say something so it looks like i still win".

Try at least to stay at the facts.

[h3rlihy]

Yes Pop is buggy sure. But that's only due to the silly amount of growth it's had recently due to the other btc p2p lending sites going down the pan. I personally haven't had any issues but I do acknowledge that others have. It's purely a case of trying to scale the staff and such with the influx of new users and that doesn't happen overnight.

[dbnpoizned]

Coinenthusiast, Why do you keep saying stop making this about Dom?

This thread is about Dom, it was started by Dom. Everybody reading this thread has invested in loans and business of Dom.

I think it's fair to be discussing Dom at this moment in time, it's all good and well to cry about something that may or may not have happened months ago, but I think Dom's actions are making it clear that he is trying to shift the responsibility for the trust and investment that has been afforded him (and as Casimir points out, a trust which was entirely based on his association with Lee)

If Dom was really so concerned about a hack at Christmas he should have manned up and publicised it then, not wait trying to butter both sides of his bread. And then start screeching like a bitch when it doesn't work out. OH NOW he lost his job NOW he cares NOW he has info.... pffffft bullshit man

[NSA360]

I am looking to migrate shares over to Havelock Investments.

I dont earn nothing from this but i will be able to sleep at night knowing the truth has finally been let out.

I am an honest person and I believe in the truth when it comes to customer funds and Identities.

Its not old news from last year V.Lace... Its recent

Interesting as you're not the owner anymore of BBS...

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09911924/filing-history

Would be interesting to know if Sebastian Quick knows about his new company?

Why BBS trades weren't suspended until all get cleared?  It should have been, imo.

Poor investors...Massive sell off last days
It looks worst than a P&D shitcoin's performance atm.

[dbnpoizned]

Topic isn't hi I'm dom and I would like to start a flame thread and have all my potentially valid complaints thrown out because shitpop loyalists hate me more than listening to some form of rational discussion, and perhaps throw in the odd rage threat.
 

Ok, so where are these potentially valid complaints then? I would be most interested to hear them.

[Casimir1904]

@ cas - it's registered as a company. So what? A company has the not be registered to be shady? What a load of crap. It's in violation of UK laws on a few grounds. It's trading in stocks and equities. You need special licensing. Bitcoin is not taxed per say, you still need to pay capital gain amongst other things as it is considered an asset and is becoming stricter since earlier than 2014. Which means it is covered by laws. So what if there isn't a government body regulating it. Does that mean law doesn't apply to it for under no circumstances should it be taxed? Do some research before spouting off like some bitcoin lord. Just because you have 1000 coin doesn't make you a legal expert. I don't know crap about fsa meetings except what Lee has said, all I know is Lee has hidden things from everyone which makes me doubt his credibility, period. Maybe you should be the one to get some fact because all you can do is get aggressive and cry Lee told me so!

Oh where did i wrote "Lee told me so" or something similar?
You write things I never said.
Show the laws.
The laws you mean are regulations by FSA you need to be FSA registered and licensed in the UK if it was fiat money based and FSA said that they aren't interested in Bitcoin. For them its like you would do the same with playmoney.
You'll probaly never understand that?
On the FB page you wrote that its illegal to have that kind of SSL certificate they have and that wasn't true at all, I researched it after you wrote it.

What with Tax now again? Where do i write something about tax?
BTCPOP pays taxes. They count their Profits/Turnover in Fiat and pay wages in Fiat money ( maybe they pay also in btc if emoloyee want so, but its based on fiat amounts ).
What role does it play how much Bitcoin I have or not have?
What did Lee hide? How much BTCPOP is in loss? Does he need to make loss public? Don't think so, anyway btcpop will make a yearly report voluntary.
And now show me where any facts are wrong about what I wrote and what part is aggressive from what I wrote.

And some questions to you:
1. Why did you use BTCPOP if you think its not legal?
2. Why did you create an IPO if you think its not legal?
3. Why did you ask even recently loans if its not legal?
4. Angry that you only sold 733 shares of 10000 for dashad?
5. You taked a Custom loan begin march and a Instant loan end march! And now everything is bad and illegal?

Seems more you're already searching for reasons why you should not repay your debt?

[Casimir1904]

Convenient now that the facebook thread this was originally addressed on got deleted by Lee.

Here's one of many interesting reads on fsa and bitcoin, hell contact them yourself. Taking Lee's word for it is lunacy at best, stupidity at worst.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49862.0

From 2011 a believe of a FSA employee.
Btcpop applied for FSA regulations and they aren't interested.

Do some googling if you're going to be lazy about it. It's easy to find stuff.. I'll do a little bit of it for you.

I did.

Lee doesn't need ssl.. OK a financial institution(includes asset and equity management) is not required to have an ssl?... OK good one... PCI security standards amongst other things don't apply I guess.... ok whatever let's move on. I'll concede this point if it will get you to shut up about many things you apparently have no idea about.

I didn't wrote he don't need ssl even if he doesnt.
Btcpop has SSL certificate anyway. This came from you.

You've gone on about this tax before having it as an argument. Really something that should be dropped from my list as its really not something I'm going to argue with you about. Pays his employees in bitcoin(there are copies of contracts out there so don't bullshit me when you have no clue), server in bitcoin, sells on LBC and hides cash in laser tag business. Yay tax evasion. Part of the reason you admire him so much... but hey you're an expert on his taxes so OK, again I'll concede that point.

Didn't i wrote that they maybe get paid in Bitcoin but numbers are in Fiat?
Hide cash in whatever? Any proof of what you saying? The mayhem live business is also registered business and its not started long time ago...
Paying servers in Bitcoins is a crime because? ( If thats even true their CDN don't accept Bitcoin as example ).
I never wrote anything about taxes Pop have to pay or not to pay and you keep going on with it, you come with lies and things you think could be that way...
What you do is criminal in many countries just to let you know...

You've been aggressive through this whole thing... quite easy to see. Down to threatening to hack doms server. Guess that's not aggressive, again I'll concede the point.

Ok another lie. I quoted a comment of dom where he wrote about ddossing others and you say i did threaening to hack anything?
You know i could sue you now if i wanted to?

If you don't like what someone has to say f off. You only came here because the crap started on facebook and you needed to defend your interests.

The FB post from you was much later then my first postings here so another lie of you.

You're all libertarian until someone messes with your investments. Yea 1000 bitcoin locked in pop with rumors of covered up hacks and I would defend a stinking ship tooth and nail as well I suppose.

Oh now its rumors? Before it was fact as you wrote it.

1) I don't use it anymore. I will be paying back what I owe shortly and any usage is a minimum only because I feel a need to repay my debts to people.

Yeah like you wrote that it became worse since Dom leaved and your last login was on 15 April...

2)Lee assured everyone that pop was flying above the water on everything. After I started to see things going to shut and a poor production process; as well as hiding two hacks and loss of bitcoin from said hacks he because less credible. Kind of an obvious one there, but hey... whatever.

And another lie.
The hack in April 2015 was made public, i linked it also here in this thread.
Their is not a single proof for another hack.

3) See point two. You mad because I pay back early and it gives higher returns and you didn't really get in on it and now I'm leaving? Schade Marmelade.

I get mad? Oh interesting...

4)Not AT all and of anybody wishing to put the shares up for the price they paid I will happily see their funds returned no problem at all. When this poor excuse of a site is shut down, I'd rather not have had people lose out on funds in one of my projects because of someone else.

What site is shut down? What are you talking about?

5) wow good job for being able to look up my profile and using it as a rather weak point of argument. So almost a month ago is last week? It's when I started voicing concerns? Weak.

Yes really weak of you, taking out loans and after that start to concern, yeah why should you do before?

My arguments and everything are pretty bad. Guess I'll have to concede everything to you.
Guess you win..
Good job.

Sorry i don't see arguments on your side only lies and assumptions.

[Casimir1904]

Oh btw. Your site is operated illegal Jerry...
You live in Germany right?
§ 5 TMG and § 55 RStV to start with... could cost you several €1000,-
Where is your German Vat number on your site?

Where can i find the company information of Dashad?

[)(avoc]

Convenient now that the facebook thread this was originally addressed on got deleted by Lee.

Here's one of many interesting reads on fsa and bitcoin, hell contact them yourself. Taking Lee's word for it is lunacy at best, stupidity at worst.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49862.0

Do some googling if you're going to be lazy about it. It's easy to find stuff.. I'll do a little bit of it for you.

Lee doesn't need ssl.. OK a financial institution(includes asset and equity management) is not required to have an ssl?... OK good one... PCI security standards amongst other things don't apply I guess.... ok whatever let's move on. I'll concede this point if it will get you to shut up about many things you apparently have no idea about.

You've gone on about this tax before having it as an argument. Really something that should be dropped from my list as its really not something I'm going to argue with you about. Pays his employees in bitcoin(there are copies of contracts out there so don't bullshit me when you have no clue), server in bitcoin, sells on LBC and hides cash in laser tag business. Yay tax evasion. Part of the reason you admire him so much... but hey you're an expert on his taxes so OK, again I'll concede that point.

You've been aggressive through this whole thing... quite easy to see. Down to threatening to hack doms server. Guess that's not aggressive, again I'll concede the point.

If you don't like what someone has to say f off. You only came here because the crap started on facebook and you needed to defend your interests.

You're all libertarian until someone messes with your investments. Yea 1000 bitcoin locked in pop with rumors of covered up hacks and I would defend a stinking ship tooth and nail as well I suppose.

1) I don't use it anymore. I will be paying back what I owe shortly and any usage is a minimum only because I feel a need to repay my debts to people.

2)Lee assured everyone that pop was flying above the water on everything. After I started to see things going to shut and a poor production process; as well as hiding two hacks and loss of bitcoin from said hacks he because less credible. Kind of an obvious one there, but hey... whatever.

3) See point two. You mad because I pay back early and it gives higher returns and you didn't really get in on it and now I'm leaving? Schade Marmelade.

4)Not AT all and of anybody wishing to put the shares up for the price they paid I will happily see their funds returned no problem at all. When this poor excuse of a site is shut down, I'd rather not have had people lose out on funds in one of my projects because of someone else.

5) wow good job for being able to look up my profile and using it as a rather weak point of argument. So almost a month ago is last week? It's when I started voicing concerns? Weak.

My arguments and everything are pretty bad. Guess I'll have to concede everything to you.
Guess you win..
Good job.

interested to know, is your research of the same standard as your comprehension used here?
twice you quoted doms threat on ddosing gaws site as cas threatening doms site, unbelievably, the second time was after being corrected.
Also, remarkable how you are openly admitting to being involved in criminal activities.
the ipo system is illegal? you know this? you have reaserched this? yet your making use of it? (still not sure of your comprehension and reading skills)
in a court of law, others involved may not of known, but you have admitted to aiding and being knowingly involved in what you believe to be a criminal activity. (out in public, i must add)

[Casimir1904]

I've another question to jerry:
How much tax must a company pay on profits if their is huge loss as you wrote?
How much tax evasion could be done if their is a loss and if done so does that mean they do evasion in getting tax returns?

[Casimir1904]

Well maybe you should try in German because you're full of contradictions... If you want pm me in German, maybe we could be dicks in pm so the topic can get back on track and you stop attacking people over your vested interests. I couldn't understand what point you were trying to make through the latter half.

The only one who is attacking is you.
I thought english is your native language? You're the one who has problems with reading.

OK I don't like in Germany anymore nor was my business ever registered there. I don't give a fuck what you think. Good job on again failing at trolling and trying to switch this thread around in another aggressive attempt to derail the original topic.

IPO still shows registered country Germany.
So you lied again their? Missleading investors is that called i guess?

The ipo system was utilized before some of this was brought to my attention and realized Lee was lying. Good job again on flipping everything around.

Any proof that Lee is lying?
You're lying all the time here.

Go ahead sue. That's the best thing I've heard all day. Thanks for that. "I was being a retard on an I line forum and he misquoted something. Please give me monies"

Again problems with reading right?
So what part of "if i want" you don't understand?
And it was not misquoting. It was a clear accusation.
And offcourse now you realized it was Dom who wrote about DDoS its not a problem anymore for you... The guy who created lot of debt, lied, didn't kept his word is still the one to believe right?

Oh yes I'm full of criminal activity. All I've done this whole time was point out my illegal criminal empire. Good job on that. Might need to be careful of Interpol coming after me now. Shit better flee Europe..

You just don't realize that its criminal to call out false accusations?
So again where is the proof of anything you saying?

Oh you're selling bitcoin in Germany without paying your taxes on it? You know tax evasion is pretty serious right cas? A lot more than not having a registration number for a country I no longer live in. You're operating it as a business, what's your vat?

Another false accusation.
Again where is the proof?

Btcpop applied for it. Guess you're taking that on Lee's good trustworthy word again right?

Thats more trusworthy then your or Dom words right?

Again though. Good job at derailing the topic. It's about pop but because you have a thousand coins you are unable to withdraw you go on the attack. Attack me, attack dom. Who's next?

Another false accusation.
Proof that i can't withdraw coins?

[NSA360]

Were are the fucking posts ?!? Deleted?  

[Casimir1904]

Were are the fucking posts ?!? Deleted?  

Yes seems he deleted them...
Lucky i did some quotes... to bad i didn't on all :-(

[NSA360]

Were are the fucking posts ?!? Deleted?  

Yes seems he deleted them...
Lucky i did some quotes... to bad i didn't on all :-(

Well too sad then. Important things were said here.

My final thoughts on this will be:

- Lee is a decent guy. Who already had the change to spoke with him, probably noticed that.
- The relationship between Lee and Dom couldn't never ended well because they were friends. Mixing friendship with labor work, cant never ends well.
- POP is a great platform. It need some fixs, of course, as all websites needs. Nothing to worry about, but POP should fix and prioritize the withdrawals bug - borrowers cannot wait more than 1+ day to get their coins. They are losing 1+ day of their loan.
- The other small bugs can be left in 2nd place, no rush on that. Not easy with small human resources do what POP did until now. Good job!
- Dom, shame on you because you had the responsibility to inform your investors about the changes in your company. People trusted in you and gave their money to you can work decently. You betrayal them.
- POP also should had stop the trades on BBS after they got knowledge of this situation, like i said in my previous post, in order to protect the new owner and all the investors.

Finally, legality issues are important ofcourse, but in this world, its better to have trust and confidence in people and operate with decency than open and run - Dom did that, Lee dont. Lee everyday is shoing his face and working always to put the website running without issues. In the other hand, Dom left all his investors with nothing.