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April 20, 2016, 09:26:15 PM
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If anyone is still interested in this, I am offering escrow for a transaction with this user for a 1% fee. I will not escrow the physical bars, only the Bitcoin. Testing is your responsibility, and I expect some sort of evidence presented that the bar is a fake if you wish to have your funds returned pending it not being genuine gold.

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Check out the results of the two fake bars I was sold: (they could not print from the software, had to take a picture of the computer screen)



Question - were those bars your first bars you have seen/hold? If no - could you tell the difference by just looking and holding the bar?

I've hold more than 100 1g 2.5g 5g and 10g Pumps and can easily distinguish them. Never hold 1Oz bar - so curious.

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Question - were those bars your first bars you have seen/hold? If no - could you tell the difference by just looking and holding the bar?

I've hold more than 100 1g 2.5g 5g and 10g Pumps and can easily distinguish them. Never hold 1Oz bar - so curious.



The 1oz fakes are very well done and hard to distinguish from the real thing. The only sure way is to have it tested.

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The problem with Pamp's is there have been a few slightly different designs of lady fortuna and the packaging, only slight differences but it can make it difficult to spot the fakes V real bars.





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Where do you post/ ship from? I will take a couple Smiley

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Where do you post/ ship from? I will take a couple Smiley

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I have been sold fake PAMP and PERTH 1oz bars.

The packaging is flawless(at least the new counterfeit packaging), I could find no differences.  The counterfeiters did an excellent job..haha  

For the actual gold..  with the PAMP bars you can notice some differences in detail on the lady fortuna side(up close).  The PERTH bars are not as detailed so they look completely legit.


NOTE: The bars can only be tested once they are out of the packaging, so be aware that you are going to take a slight hit for resell/investment right off the bat.

**The pictures in the OP's first post are of the older counterfeits**
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I have been sold fake PAMP and PERTH 1oz bars.

The packaging is flawless(at least the new counterfeit packaging), I could find no differences.  The counterfeiters did an excellent job..haha  

For the actual gold..  with the PAMP bars you can notice some differences in detail on the lady fortuna side(up close).  The PERTH bars are not as detailed so they look completely legit.


NOTE: The bars can only be tested once they are out of the packaging, so be aware that you are going to take a slight hit for resell/investment right off the bat.

**The pictures in the OP's first post are of the older counterfeits**


Lol well I am out.. too risky Wink

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Lol well I am out.. too risky Wink

I agree - and there is no need. You can buy everything for bitcoins on jmbullion with free delivery, no escrows, no worries etc

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I have been sold fake PAMP and PERTH 1oz bars.

The packaging is flawless(at least the new counterfeit packaging), I could find no differences.  The counterfeiters did an excellent job..haha  

For the actual gold..  with the PAMP bars you can notice some differences in detail on the lady fortuna side(up close).  The PERTH bars are not as detailed so they look completely legit.


NOTE: The bars can only be tested once they are out of the packaging, so be aware that you are going to take a slight hit for resell/investment right off the bat.

**The pictures in the OP's first post are of the older counterfeits**


Not true, gold can be xrf checked throught the packaging

http://d65852kwq1u8u.cloudfront.net/message-767835.html

here is a pic of my nice Chinese 1/10 auspicious matters getting xrf checked through the OMP -







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I have been sold fake PAMP and PERTH 1oz bars.

The packaging is flawless(at least the new counterfeit packaging), I could find no differences.  The counterfeiters did an excellent job..haha  

For the actual gold..  with the PAMP bars you can notice some differences in detail on the lady fortuna side(up close).  The PERTH bars are not as detailed so they look completely legit.


NOTE: The bars can only be tested once they are out of the packaging, so be aware that you are going to take a slight hit for resell/investment right off the bat.

**The pictures in the OP's first post are of the older counterfeits**


Not true, gold can be xrf checked throught the packaging

http://d65852kwq1u8u.cloudfront.net/message-767835.html

here is a pic of my nice Chinese 1/10 auspicious matters getting xrf checked through the OMP -


I once had them test a silver panda in its capsule and it was not reading properly.  Maybe it depends on the machine, they do not have a handheld one. ..or they were just doing it improperly..haha
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I think there is no need to check any bullions and bars with weight below 1/2 Oz

Nobody will spend effort to counterfeit 1/10 Panda with price $ 140

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I think there is no need to check any bullions and bars with weight below 1/2 Oz

Nobody will spend effort to counterfeit 1/10 Panda with price $ 140

IMHO

That's false.  

The same guy that sold me a fake PERTH bar gave me a fake 1oz silver eagle as a "gift".   He said he had 60x of these silver eagles.

Fake silver pandas are also very prevalent. Look @ all the Chinese sellers on eBay.

Here we are talking about ~$20
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I think there is no need to check any bullions and bars with weight below 1/2 Oz

Nobody will spend effort to counterfeit 1/10 Panda with price $ 140

IMHO

That's false.  

The same guy that sold me a fake PERTH bar gave me a fake 1oz silver eagle as a "gift".   He said he had 60x of these silver eagles.

Fake silver pandas are also very prevalent. Look @ all the Chinese sellers on eBay.

Here we are talking about ~$20

This is correct. While smaller denominations of fake metals are harder to pull off and less common, never assume they are real just because of this.

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That's false.  

The same guy that sold me a fake PERTH bar gave me a fake 1oz silver eagle as a "gift".   He said he had 60x of these silver eagles.

Fake silver pandas are also very prevalent. Look @ all the Chinese sellers on eBay.

Here we are talking about ~$20

I was not clear - I meant specifically gold bars and bullions. It is super easy to make a fake silver due to lower density of Ag compared to Au. And this why it is about impossible to make a fake Pt coin or bar.

Chinese can make Cu-Zn alloy with 10% of Ag and fool about every person. Not XRF of course

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Hello, getting shipment tomorrow, now off topic those of you who knew me, I sold GPU's back a few years ago for cheaper than market price. Also since I am selling real gold, I have no problem and confident enough in my products to withstand any skepticism or questions. In fact I want people to be very careful online no matter what you think I may or may not be..., how ever please don't ask me to send samples, unless you pay or escrowed, no sample. My prices are very fair and I can provide in person trades for large amounts in Bay Area. ( try buying 100k online or local dealer then you know what I am talking about.)

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Lol well I am out.. too risky Wink

I agree - and there is no need. You can buy everything for bitcoins on jmbullion with free delivery, no escrows, no worries etc



Keep in mind this is whole sale, 100 oz's in hand tomorrow.
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I might be interested.  How many do you have?

Its an ongoing thing. I have prob 30-50 oz's per week.


100 oz's a week now...
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If anyone is still interested in this, I am offering escrow for a transaction with this user for a 1% fee. I will not escrow the physical bars, only the Bitcoin. Testing is your responsibility, and I expect some sort of evidence presented that the bar is a fake if you wish to have your funds returned pending it not being genuine gold.

Thanks for the offer Smiley

However I do want to question, how do I as a seller ensure the buyer presentation of the "product" is the one I sent, I mean, cant anyone just pull a fake gold and say they got fake gold? You guys think theres a good way to ensure that?
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If anyone is still interested in this, I am offering escrow for a transaction with this user for a 1% fee. I will not escrow the physical bars, only the Bitcoin. Testing is your responsibility, and I expect some sort of evidence presented that the bar is a fake if you wish to have your funds returned pending it not being genuine gold.

Thanks for the offer Smiley

However I do want to question, how do I as a seller ensure the buyer presentation of the "product" is the one I sent, I mean, cant anyone just pull a fake gold and say they got fake gold? You guys think theres a good way to ensure that?

Put a radioactive "marker" on your bar

(yes - it is a joke)

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