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February 16, 2013, 12:19:10 AM
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Same story here.  Except I didn't' take a loan and I didn't buy a new car (with Bitcoins).  We are shopping for my guy's new (2009) car tomorrow.  No, the Bitcoins are staying put.

Bitcoins to CASH?  are you crazy?
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February 16, 2013, 12:28:03 AM
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Oh, and I'm the finance expert in the family (do our financial planning, investing, taxes, etc), so my husband trusts me with all things finance.

Well ya coulda told us that from the start, you drama queen.  Wink
Also, being the finance expert in the household, would you mind offering a tax advice applicable to people who bought low, sold high, and purchased goods with fiat?

My wife is tax expert you want to talk to her?
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February 16, 2013, 12:29:26 AM
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So, my husband owns the house (the mortgage is in his name), but a few years ago we opened a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit) together, with both our names on it. Some time last summer, I borrowed $15,000 from the HELOC without really asking for permission or telling my husband about it. I told him eventually (he asked about it after seeing a transfer on the monthly statement). I used that entire $15,000 to invest in bitcoins, and bought about 2,000+ of them.
Anyway, as of last Sunday, it's all gone. No more 2,000+ BTC. All gone poof  Cry

This makes it sound like they were lost or stolen. They are not all gone poof the are all gone sold.
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February 16, 2013, 12:30:42 AM
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Wel  Cheesy About this

How Much Will that car be worth in 5 years??

How Much Will those BTC be worth in 5 years??

I think you made à big long term mistake to satisfy Your short term needs with everything you own to lose over some stupid Brick on wheels but hè .. People like you Will get my long term rich guy..

Cheerz ...!!!


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February 16, 2013, 01:14:10 AM
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Rassah congrats,
What is the point of hording funds if u can't enjoy life.
I did a similar strategy to Rassah at a much smaller scale and yes its worth the risk.

I set aside some thinking long term.

And spend the rest short term with my wife and kids heh.
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February 16, 2013, 06:00:40 AM
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fake story.


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February 16, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
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This thread is precious in the light of all the screaming "deflationary currency prevents spending and will kill the economy!!!".

This, this, this!


It's an interesting psychological situation.  Because things become cheaper and cheaper as you go along, you think, "Wow, this car would have cost me 9000 BTC last year, but now I can buy it for only 1500 BTC, that's a steal!"  Nevermind that you'd be able to buy it for 375 BTC the next year.

that's called deflation: hold it until there is no other possibility. which is good for an asset but not for a currency.

This is debatable...

I would argue "hold it until there's no other possibility" is good for a currency -- well, actually good for the people using the currency, the currency itself doesn't really matter.

Why? Because spending money just because it constantly loses it's value will make people buy stuff they don't really need and will make the people (economy) as a whole waste more energy than necessary and produce stuff that isn't really needed.

Let's assume for a moment we had a functioning loan/investment market (one could argue we have, but I don't think it's developed enough) in bitcoin... "hoarding" would then become "saving" in the sense that the capital will not merely sit in peoples paper wallets, but be used to fund innovation, make production more efficient, etc. pp.

Recall the whole "time perference" theory from austrian economics... it makes sense: You don't need/want the product now so you "save" your money by putting it into a savings account at a reputable savings & loan business. This sends a "signal" (a price signal in effect) to the economy saying: "We don't need as much product/service now, better invest in new factory / innovation / higher efficiency / providing other products and services we might actually need instead". Capital available for development just got a little cheaper. Market for goods/services experiences lowered demand, ergo prices fall. This is a feedback system that effects the economy (producers) actually delivers what is needed. The consumer sends a signal (via lowered demand for goods and higher supply of investment capital (taken that savings/loan business is functional and the consumer will "invest" instead of "hoard")) and the economy listens.

Now, with a "managed money supply", these valuable signals are being distorted. Money is injected into the economy (via central bank + credit expansion by the commercial banks) because politicians or whoever think the economy must keep growing (at least "on paper")... the economy becomes blind to the real needs and likely overheats and overproduces, advertises aggressively to sell the unneeded product, unecessarily burns precious natural resources and human labour, decreasing happyness overall (side-note: populations happyness should be what politicians are being measured by, not GDP).

Let's think about the current situation: there are currency wars going on: not only are the fiat currencies themselves in a "race to the bottom" trying to out-stimulate the economies of other nationstates (fiat currencies are usually linked to nationstates), but also there is a new player in the field. A new kind of "good money" (wikipedia: '"Good" money is money that shows little difference between its nominal value (the face value of the coin) and its commodity value'), bitcoin... driving out the "bad" fiat money (everybody spends fiat and hoards bitcoin). Why is bitcoin the "new kind of good money"? Because it's a) good money and b) possesses -- in contrast to the other good moneys like gold -- the impertinant property to be actually transactable and therefore usable as a medium of exchange within the economy.

So what's happening is this: people spend depreciating fiat currencies and hoard good money like silver and bitcoin. Lacking a trustable savings & loan market, these bitcoins sit in personal wallets, not being invested into the economy. Building a trustable functioning savings & loan market (or depository market) is hard for the "good money", because there's plenty of bad money to be had at 0% and noone is willing to invest precious good money at 0%. So naturally we are observing the expected effect: bitcoins are being hoarded and it's price relative to fiat goes up, up, up (which will continue imo for a good long jolly time, by the way)

On a side-note: I love how the weak hands become more fearful with every $1-rise in bitcoin price and distribute their coins to the masses (still early adopters, really)

;tldr: fuck managed money, we want sound money, and: saving is good for the people. Also: bitcoin (or a variant) will become the #1 global money.


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February 16, 2013, 02:52:05 PM
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All money will soon lose value, as it's useless.  Focus on what makes you happy.

Really? No, I'm not going to argue with that and just leave it as your opinion.

Tell me when we've built a spaceship and are exploring where no man has gone before and then we can talk about abolishing money.

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February 16, 2013, 03:03:08 PM
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lead to the question what is the value of bitcoin and is this value untouchable?

EDIT: it's very hypothetical but not unfeasible: a ban of BitCoin by United Nations (www.un.org/en/ecosoc/) because of undefined reasons (at the moment) is a possible risk.

The UN can shove it up their tight asses! BTW, we're going to have unsystem conference in the building they usually use in Vienna. "apt-get upgrade system", motherfuckers!

Seeing bitcoin as an investment (with the plan to "cash out" at some point), assessing the risk and possible gain and all that crap is so fucking retarded. Don't you see what's going on? We're taking our freedom back from "the assholes" who think they have to rule us all. Open your eyes, live your life and use bitcoin (or litecoin for fucks sake) whenever possible!

;tldr Bitcoin is not a penny stock, Bitcoin is freedom!

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February 17, 2013, 01:58:29 PM
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Lmfao a financial expert that takes the equity from their house to buy a virtual currency.

Lmfao, not a financial expert who doesn't have a new car fully bought and paid for in six month.
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February 17, 2013, 02:05:12 PM
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fake story.

What kind of evidence would you need?
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February 17, 2013, 09:15:25 PM
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fake story.

What kind of evidence would you need?

Picture of you with the car on top of your head! Err... wait.

^^this^^


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February 17, 2013, 09:35:53 PM
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fake story.

What kind of evidence would you need?

You next to the car with a shoe on your head  Roll Eyes

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February 18, 2013, 11:36:55 AM
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fake story.

What kind of evidence would you need?
Do you have any txid?
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February 19, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
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Those would be multiple txid's, since buying and selling was both done in small chunks... Not sure I feel like tracking them all down.

Here's a pic of me with it in a different location though. I can't take one with the car on my head because I would need someone else to take the photo, and hubby would think that's too weird



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February 19, 2013, 03:31:37 PM
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OK. You're a gay couple? And you're also into that dog stuff?
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February 19, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
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In this case it probaly would have been best to finance the vehicle and make payments with deflating bitcoins over several years. Hmm... a new car sounds like a good idea. Is that a hybrid?

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February 19, 2013, 04:35:01 PM
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In this case it probaly would have been best to finance the vehicle and make payments with deflating bitcoins over several years. Hmm... a new car sounds like a good idea. Is that a hybrid?

Hybrids are for absolute suckers.
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In this case it probaly would have been best to finance the vehicle and make payments with deflating bitcoins over several years. Hmm... a new car sounds like a good idea. Is that a hybrid?

Hybrids are for absolute suckers.

maybe
you should get one, then

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In this case it probaly would have been best to finance the vehicle and make payments with deflating bitcoins over several years. Hmm... a new car sounds like a good idea. Is that a hybrid?

Didn't want to risk having coins drop in value while buying, plus just feels good to hand over a huge check and take the title without owing anything to anyone.
Yeah, it's a hybrid. I get about 58mpg on it on my trips. Went with a Prius because it's the most technologically advanced (non-concept) car you can buy, and I like high tech things. Instruction books are 350 pages just for the car, and another 250 just for the navigation system/audio/cameras/auto-park. Thing is drive-by-wire for everything but the steering wheel  Grin
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