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April 25, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
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Note: I am know to be a staunch supporter of cores advice

I previously thought I was simply too far out of the loop to find core's roadmap, I thought it was fair and I didn't think of it.  But recently I decided I wanted to see what was planned and I had a horrible time finding out, including having Luke Jr. tell me "read", even though I already had.  I doubt I am anywhere near the more ignorant bitcoin player.  I don't think his sentiments were warranted.  More importantly I think they were telling of something...

I believe the roadmap is clearly carefully and specially designed to appeal to the technically minded while appeasingthe community in a certain deceptive fashion.

I won't go into it all, but I wrote Greg and pleaded for a customer friendly road-map.

I am not asking for core to bend to the user's will, I am asking for transparency and clarity, regardless of the effects of that transparency and clarity on the community.  

The current road map is a FAQ's with a link to an old memo, that one person wrote with a tl;dr that says "I propose..."

The roadmap should be on, or at least linked on, the core homepage.  The url should be /roadmap.  It should be graphical and easy to read for the average customer of the currency.  It should be titled "roadmap" and it should explicitly state whether a hard fork is or isn't planned.  If there is a HF planned it should have the size and the date. Otherwise it should state there is not plan yet.

Imo, because of this lack of transparency the quality of bitcoin suffers in the Nashian/Gresham sense, and I believe this is the most urgent security flaw that needs to be solved.

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April 25, 2016, 09:22:39 PM
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This is no 'security flaw', and therefore it does not need fixing. Your whole post is based on assumptions and the conclusion is not relevant.

It should be graphical and easy to read for the average customer of the currency.  
There is no such thing as a 'customer of the currency'.

The url should be /roadmap.
Please remind me again where the dollar roadmap is, usa.gov/roadmap? Roll Eyes

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April 25, 2016, 09:23:26 PM
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This is no 'security flaw', and therefore it does not need fixing. Your whole post is based on assumptions and the conclusion is not relevant.

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Note: I am know to be a staunch supporter of cores advice

I previously thought I was simply too far out of the loop to find core's roadmap, I thought it was fair and I didn't think of it.  But recently I decided I wanted to see what was planned and I had a horrible time finding out, including having Luke Jr. tell me "read", even though I already had.  I doubt I am anywhere near the more ignorant bitcoin player.  I don't think his sentiments were warranted.  More importantly I think they were telling of something...

I believe the roadmap is clearly carefully and specially designed to appeal to the technically minded while appeasingthe community in a certain deceptive fashion.

I won't go into it all, but I wrote Greg and pleaded for a customer friendly road-map.

I am not asking for core to bend to the user's will, I am asking for transparency and clarity, regardless of the effects of that transparency and clarity on the community. 

The current road map is a FAQ's with a link to an old memo, that one person wrote with a tl;dr that says "I propose..."

The roadmap should be on, or at least linked on, the core homepage.  The url should be /roadmap.  It should be graphical and easy to read for the average customer of the currency.  It should be titled "roadmap" and it should explicitly state whether a hard fork is or isn't planned.  If there is a HF planned it should have the size and the date. Otherwise it should state there is not plan yet.

Imo, because of this lack of transparency the quality of bitcoin suffers in the Nashian/Gresham sense, and I believe this is the most urgent security flaw that needs to be solved.

Thanks.

please do, the last time someone did something similar it turned out they didnt tell half of the story.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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April 25, 2016, 09:32:15 PM
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This is no 'security flaw', and therefore it does not need fixing. Your whole post is based on assumptions and the conclusion is not relevant.

clickbait award 2016

please do, the last time someone did something similar it turned out they didnt tell half of the story.
From the perspective of the customer of the currency, security and profitability are interchangeable words.
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April 25, 2016, 09:34:03 PM
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Please remind me again where the dollar roadmap is, usa.gov/roadmap? Roll Eyes
You just implied that bitcoin should only have, and be as good as, the usd.

How will people take anything you suggest seriously from this point on?
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April 25, 2016, 10:47:30 PM
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Please don't feed the trolls.
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April 25, 2016, 10:58:22 PM
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Please don't feed the trolls.
There is no one familiar with me and my works that thinks of me a troll.  Perhaps that I am wrong, but never that I am insincere. Please read again, and more carefully.  Thx.
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April 26, 2016, 03:58:40 AM
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Please don't feed the trolls.
There is no one familiar with me and my works that thinks of me a troll.  Perhaps that I am wrong, but never that I am insincere. Please read again, and more carefully.  Thx.

Interesting, that you would assume I was implying you were the troll, and not that those responding to you are the trolls?

There's a quote from Hamlet Act III Scene II that would seem to apply here.
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April 26, 2016, 06:16:04 AM
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I have seen no factual proof of any flaw in the Bitcoin security or logic. Your whole post is vague and based on unsubstantiated claims that you were in discussion with developers, but we see no documentary proof. I would say, this is no troll, but just another bad attempt at discrediting Bitcoin.

Move on, nothing to see here. ^hmf^

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April 26, 2016, 06:20:31 AM
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What a really low lame attempt to discredit bitcoin. Truly mate if you don't like it, stay out of the forum, this place is for bitcoin lovers and not for haters. There's no security flaw in the bitcoin payment system yet and yes it is the best payment system yet no matter what media and haters say about it, there's nothing more beautiful that you being in full control over your money.
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April 26, 2016, 07:40:28 AM
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Interesting, that you would assume I was implying you were the troll, and not that those responding to you are the trolls?
I would say that it is beyond obvious right now as he has identified himself as the troll.

There's a quote from Hamlet Act III Scene II that would seem to apply here.
Which one?

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April 26, 2016, 10:09:10 AM
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The roadmap should be on, or at least linked on, the core homepage.  The url should be /roadmap.  It should be graphical and easy to read for the average customer of the currency.  It should be titled "roadmap" and it should explicitly state whether a hard fork is or isn't planned.  If there is a HF planned it should have the size and the date. Otherwise it should state there is not plan yet.
This. Because no one else has posted any support, I will note that I agree here.  The software is open source, but an ambiguous/hidden roadmap on a project of this size represents anything but the ideals of community and open source.
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April 26, 2016, 10:57:01 AM
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The roadmap should be on, or at least linked on, the core homepage.  The url should be /roadmap.  It should be graphical and easy to read for the average customer of the currency.  It should be titled "roadmap" and it should explicitly state whether a hard fork is or isn't planned.  If there is a HF planned it should have the size and the date. Otherwise it should state there is not plan yet.
This. Because no one else has posted any support, I will note that I agree here.  The software is open source, but an ambiguous/hidden roadmap on a project of this size represents anything but the ideals of community and open source.

#1 there are no customers of bitcoin
#2 3 words "bitcoin core roadmap" on a common search engine (guess which) result in these results as the first two links
-> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases
-> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq
#3 this is result #4 -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1349965.0

Calling the roadmap "hidden" is hilarious.

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April 26, 2016, 11:13:55 AM
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The roadmap should be on, or at least linked on, the core homepage.  The url should be /roadmap.  It should be graphical and easy to read for the average customer of the currency.  It should be titled "roadmap" and it should explicitly state whether a hard fork is or isn't planned.  If there is a HF planned it should have the size and the date. Otherwise it should state there is not plan yet.
This. Because no one else has posted any support, I will note that I agree here.  The software is open source, but an ambiguous/hidden roadmap on a project of this size represents anything but the ideals of community and open source.

#1 there are no customers of bitcoin
#2 3 words "bitcoin core roadmap" on a common search engine (guess which) result in these results as the first two links
-> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases
-> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq
#3 this is result #4 -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1349965.0

Calling the roadmap "hidden" is hilarious.

That's a roadmap for capacity increase, not for scalability. So what comes next? Are LN + Side Chains officially proposed as a way of scaling to the mythical 'Visa level of transactions'? As far as I know, they're not. So what's the long term plan? What about economic model, is 'fee market' officially viewed as desirable by majority of Core devs? They're not very vocal on that.



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April 27, 2016, 03:47:08 AM
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Interesting, that you would assume I was implying you were the troll, and not that those responding to you are the trolls?
I would say that it is beyond obvious right now as he has identified himself as the troll.

There's a quote from Hamlet Act III Scene II that would seem to apply here.
Which one?


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April 27, 2016, 04:38:19 AM
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Please don't feed the trolls.
There is no one familiar with me and my works that thinks of me a troll.  Perhaps that I am wrong, but never that I am insincere. Please read again, and more carefully.  Thx.

Interesting, that you would assume I was implying you were the troll, and not that those responding to you are the trolls?

There's a quote from Hamlet Act III Scene II that would seem to apply here.
I am used to such accusations from the masses because I do not support scaling bitcoin to infinite.
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April 27, 2016, 04:39:26 AM
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What a really low lame attempt to discredit bitcoin. Truly mate if you don't like it, stay out of the forum, this place is for bitcoin lovers and not for haters. There's no security flaw in the bitcoin payment system yet and yes it is the best payment system yet no matter what media and haters say about it, there's nothing more beautiful that you being in full control over your money.

I have seen no factual proof of any flaw in the Bitcoin security or logic. Your whole post is vague and based on unsubstantiated claims that you were in discussion with developers, but we see no documentary proof. I would say, this is no troll, but just another bad attempt at discrediting Bitcoin.

Move on, nothing to see here. ^hmf^

I am a defender of bitcoin. I am a defender of core.  I believe they have made a clear error.  The roadmap should be user friendly, and it is clearly purposefully not.  Use your heads and think for yourselves for one moment.
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