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February 19, 2013, 01:49:19 PM
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Have a look at this:

https://bitmessage.org

I read the white paper and it's fascinating. It's essentially a secure communication medium using a 'bitcoin like' system. No, it's not namecoin.

I'm setting up a node right now to help out. But it allows for encrypted messages to be sent where both the sender and receiver are encrypted, and indeed where the recipient can even passively acknowledge receipt of messages.

If you're into privacy and looking for something simpler then PGP, this is it!


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February 19, 2013, 02:15:34 PM
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nice find Smiley i'll be looking into this more for sure

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February 19, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
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An interesting idea.

Makes me think about the possibility of a more universal proof-of-work library.
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February 19, 2013, 05:25:45 PM
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Nice find

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February 19, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
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K, post your addresses to sent eachother messages to test it out
It seems COOL

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February 19, 2013, 09:00:15 PM
Last edit: February 19, 2013, 09:29:28 PM by str4wm4n
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this is awesome! i've been hoping something like this would be made for a long time!

is it possible to 51% attack something like this?
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February 19, 2013, 09:37:26 PM
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this is really cool.

What benefit do miners receive for running the network since there is no currency?
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February 19, 2013, 09:39:21 PM
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this is really cool.

What benefit do miners receive for running the network since there is no currency?

I guess none- but maybe down the line someone can create a client that looks like "email"- like "whatsapp" or something like that. Although to be honest- I can't imagine how this would scale. It says it would keep messages for just 2 days or something like that, but if it were email thats hundreds of millions of messages.

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February 19, 2013, 09:42:57 PM
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Well, my node is up and running to give this a go.. anyone is free to send me a message to try it out.

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February 19, 2013, 11:04:57 PM
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IRC discussion going on in EFNet in #bitmessage if anyone's interested. There's also a reddit /r/bitmessage.
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February 19, 2013, 11:09:43 PM
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What benefit do miners receive for running the network since there is no currency?
There are no miners. A proof of work is done by the sender when a message is sent.
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February 20, 2013, 01:43:24 AM
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What benefit do miners receive for running the network since there is no currency?
There are no miners. A proof of work is done by the sender when a message is sent.

Which proof of work algorithm?

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February 20, 2013, 01:46:33 AM
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What benefit do miners receive for running the network since there is no currency?
There are no miners. A proof of work is done by the sender when a message is sent.

Which proof of work algorithm?

Quote from: Altheros
The POW currently used is just like Bitcoin's POW except that the difficulty doesn't adjust based on the number of people sending messages, only the size of the individual message. I can give you more specific details if you would like them. I would like to change to a GPU resistant algorithm and am currently researching Sergio_Demian_Lerner's MAVEPAY  POW algorithm and scrypt. I would happily look into other suggestions as well.

The Bitmessage system doesn't have an equivalent system to Bitcoin's blocks. After the POW is completed, message are sent and received within seconds.

https://bitmessage.org/forum/index.php/topic,865.msg892.html#msg892
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February 23, 2013, 09:20:25 PM
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bump for an awesome idea

i'd like to see this used more!

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February 23, 2013, 09:41:52 PM
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Woohoo.  My address is BM-ooqMp3Pzg4b4nhrsJ69rGfYBvMi6Qfwft

Hit me up, yo.

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February 24, 2013, 01:22:25 AM
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Very cool  Cool

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I sent a few messages out but no replies yet. Feel free to send.

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February 24, 2013, 01:39:13 AM
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A lot of the decisions in it seemed weird and unfortunate to me— E.g. it uses ginormous RSA keys instead of compact compressed ECC pubkeys.  It uses addresses which are key hashes, when it actually needs a pubkeys to communicate— so the elegant and strongly secure broadcast medium is compromised by having to have an interactive/online key exchange the first time you send someone a message why not make the address be a pubkey?— it wouldn't even be any longer.

When it was first announced I exchanged some messages with some people on #bitcoin-dev, but since it wouldn't work with my tiling window manager I didn't continue to use it. Smiley
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February 24, 2013, 02:23:09 AM
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A lot of the decisions in it seemed weird and unfortunate to me— E.g. it uses ginormous RSA keys instead of compact compressed ECC pubkeys.  It uses addresses which are key hashes, when it actually needs a pubkeys to communicate— so the elegant and strongly secure broadcast medium is compromised by having to have an interactive/online key exchange the first time you send someone a message why not make the address be a pubkey?— it wouldn't even be any longer.
Some of this has changed, for example ECC is now used. The initial key exchange is still there unfortunately.
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February 24, 2013, 07:01:42 AM
Last edit: February 24, 2013, 07:15:29 AM by ralree
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I just sent everyone who posted above a message.  Hit me back if you got it!

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February 24, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
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I noticed that when you send a message the CPU maxes to 100% for about 2.5 minutes.  I assume this is the lengthy ECC crypto algorithm running.
Surely this could be offloaded to a GPU using OpenCL.

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