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May 03, 2016, 04:13:39 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/03/craig-wright-bitcoin-founder-claim-labelled-scam-satoshi-nakamoto

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May 04, 2016, 07:56:45 AM
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Craig "Satoshi" Wright said he was going to move them

hahah this guy is so funny lol. He doesn't need to move any coin to prove it, just sign the fcking message if he has the prive keys

Something is weird. He provided a message and a signature, but there's nothing in the message to indicate that he signed it himself, or when it was signed. It could have been signed months or years ago and there's no way to prove otherwise.

To understand what is really going on, you need to read carefully what Craig Wright has always said and continues to reiterate:

In his initial blog post, Wright noted that “Satoshi is dead... but this is only the beginning.” He also said that he would follow up with a more detailed mathematical explanation for the revelation. Now, the world will likely have to wait for “the coming days”—however long that may be—for more clues.

If I sign Craig Wright, it is not the same as if I sign Craig Wright, Satoshi.

I think this is true, but in my heart I wish it wasn’t.

Since those early days, after distancing myself from the public persona that was Satoshi,

Satoshi is dead.

But this is only the beginning.

You need to remember that Craig Wright has never claimed he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Instead, he has claimed that his former colleague (who died) was Satoshi. He claims he was backing his colleague's the development of Bitcoin.

This Australian Says He and His Dead Friend Invented Bitcoin



David Kleiman, Craig Wright's friend more likely Satoshi Nakamoto

OK so this might get a little meandering but I keep finding tidbits of David Kleiman's life that makes him a far more likely candidate for Satoshi than Wright. So here are some in no specific order.

Remember that Craig Wright had obtained funding for and was running a the largest Supercomputer in Australia. So what Craig has ostensibly done is he is used supercomputer resources to find the inverse of a hash function and then used one of Satoshi old transactions to pretend he has the private key:

The implication is that either Craig Wright has stumbled upon an infinitesimally rare occurrence of an SHA256 collision, or that he had used the signature from block 258 to reverse engineer a hash (the first shown in his blog demonstration) and hoped that nobody would notice. ycombinator user JoukeH noticed.

Realize that he has probably promised to endorse Andresen's block chain scaling preferences and thus probably why Gavin wants him to be Satoshi:

Andresen’s only attempt at an explanation for Wright’s bizarre behavior, he says, is an ambivalence about definitively revealing himself after so many years in hiding. “I think the most likely explanation is that … he really doesn’t want to take on the mantle of being the inventor of Bitcoin,” says Andresen, who notes that his own credibility is at stake, too. “Maybe he wants things to be really weird and unclear, which would be bad for me.”

That uncertainty, Andresen says, seemed to be evident in Wright’s manner at the time of their demonstration. Andresen describes Wright as seeming “sad” and “overwhelmed” by the decision to come forward. “His voice was breaking.

Remember that after his death, David Kleiman's family recovered his USB flash drive and gave it to Craig Wright. Thus likely Craig Wright may have an unpublished transaction but not the actual private key. So he may be about to fool the world into thinking he is Satoshi, or making some proof that he was the man behind the man who was the real Satoshi.

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May 04, 2016, 08:01:08 AM
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Of course it is a scam. Satoshi stayed anonymous since 2008... Why would he identify himself now? Nothing big happened to make him go public. Doesn't make any sense. He is just after ez money.

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May 04, 2016, 09:22:49 AM
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You need to remember that Craig Wright has never claimed he is Satoshi Nakamoto.

I get that he may have been in a very small team who chose to collectively call themselves Satoshi Nakamoto.

However David Kleiman did not die extremely suddenly - it is hard to believe that he would not have passed on pass phrases to either trusted members of his close family or even trusted close team members of the Nakamoto team and instead chose to kill his $millions of pounds worth of BTC from the early mining days. The only other explanation would be if he only had one wallet from the early days (I find this implausable for someone developing the very fist blockchain coin with testnets and then production testing etc) and had inadvertently lost/forgotten the passphrase.

Even if this unlikely scenario were true - The BBC and The Economist are not tabloid rags. They would not print stories stating that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto if he was merely claiming to be part of the original core team who mined the first BTC genesis block on the production network.

This leaves us with two possible scenarios;

1: Craig Wright is a disingenuous Walter Mitty type with ambitions to 'take over' the future direction of BTC.

2: Craig Wright was nobbled during the period of the raids on his house and given no option by the authorities except to stand as the 'head' of BTC and do their bidding. Unfortunately for the authorities he was not close enough to the original core team to have the tools at his disposal to 'prove' his case.

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May 04, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
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The only other explanation would be if he only had one wallet from the early days (I find this implausable for someone developing the very fist blockchain coin with testnets and then production testing etc) and had inadvertently lost/forgotten the passphrase.

The original wallet implementation did not have a passphrase (in fact that wasn't added until after Satoshi had disappeared from memory).

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May 04, 2016, 09:26:55 AM
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The Guardian claims this is the first bitcoin transaction. Nope, this one is:

https://blockchain.info/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16
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The only other explanation would be if he only had one wallet from the early days (I find this implausable for someone developing the very fist blockchain coin with testnets and then production testing etc) and had inadvertently lost/forgotten the passphrase.

The original wallet implementation did not have a passphrase (in fact that wasn't added until after Satoshi had disappeared from memory).


Ah! Would that wallet.dat work with the latest iteration of Bitcoin Core or at least be able to 'upgrade'  so it could using progressive versions of the core?
Also if Wright has all of Kleiman's BTC stuff on a pen drive then this still further cast into doubt not only Wright's claims but also those claiming that Kleiman was 'Satoshi'.


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May 04, 2016, 09:38:33 AM
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Ah! Would that wallet.dat work with the latest iteration of Bitcoin Core or at least be able to 'upgrade'  so it could using progressive versions of the core?

I would be pretty sure that it would work (or if not then that at least any private keys could be fairly easily extracted from it).

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Ah! Would that wallet.dat work with the latest iteration of Bitcoin Core or at least be able to 'upgrade'  so it could using progressive versions of the core?

I would be pretty sure that it would work (or if not then that at least any private keys could be fairly easily extracted from it).


Mmmm. So would have been usable unless one had deliberately made them unusable by using them with a newer node. encrypting them and deliberately destroying all other copies. Thanks for that info - obvious to the old-timers I guess!  Smiley


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May 04, 2016, 10:32:13 AM
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yes it is a strange interview, they would have invited more reporters and asked sensible questions and so on.
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yes it is a strange interview, they would have invited more reporters and asked sensible questions and so on.
Most of the big news channel dont give any f*cks about bitcoin. They got their attention on other more viral things. (terrorism, ISIS, etc)

Hey, the interviewer is not from a big company, so if the question is weird, it could be because of inexperience.
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Regardless if this article is true or not, I always take everything on the Guardian with a grain of salt, I don't know if their tech related articles are more trustworthy.

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Of course it is a scam. Satoshi stayed anonymous since 2008... Why would he identify himself now? Nothing big happened to make him go public. Doesn't make any sense. He is just after ez money.

and maybe get some fame, always nice to have people thinking you invented bitcoins Smiley
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yes it is a strange interview, they would have invited more reporters and asked sensible questions and so on.
Most of the big news channel dont give any f*cks about bitcoin. They got their attention on other more viral things. (terrorism, ISIS, etc)

Hey, the interviewer is not from a big company, so if the question is weird, it could be because of inexperience.

Unless bitcoin was involved in terrorism but sensible questions should help. If, I'm satoshi I'll tell the media that I'll create a sell wall then I'll create one. But I'll create a sell wall higher than the market price so it won't affect the current market, basically just to prove that I'm really satoshi. Or maybe he's just nuts to think deeply nowadays.

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Regardless if this article is true or not, I always take everything on the Guardian with a grain of salt, I don't know if their tech related articles are more trustworthy.
They are definitely much better than those that have jumped on the "is 100% Satoshi" train.

Most of the big news channel dont give any f*cks about bitcoin. They got their attention on other more viral things. (terrorism, ISIS, etc)
Not necessarily. However, we can clearly see here that their 'research' is inadequate. Most of the news revolving around Bitcoin tend to be false.

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May 04, 2016, 11:32:59 AM
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Dan Kaminsky -> Andresen:
``` What is going on here?
    There's clear unambiguous cryptographic evidence of fraud and you're lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation could should or must remain private?
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 ```    Yeah, what the heck?

    I was as surprised by the 'proof' as anyone, and don't yet know exactly what is going on.

    It was a mistake to agree to publish my post before I saw his– I assumed his post would simply be a signed message anybody could easily verify.

    And it was probably a mistake to even start to play the Find Satoshi game, but I DO feel grateful to Satoshi.

    If I'm lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation should remain private, that is entirely accidental. OF COURSE he should just publish a signed message or (equivalently) move some btc through the key associated with an early block.

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yes it is a strange interview, they would have invited more reporters and asked sensible questions and so on.
Most of the big news channel dont give any f*cks about bitcoin. They got their attention on other more viral things. (terrorism, ISIS, etc)

Hey, the interviewer is not from a big company, so if the question is weird, it could be because of inexperience.

Unless bitcoin was involved in terrorism but sensible questions should help.
Yes, I avoid fiat issues by permanent members of the security council for just that reason.

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May 04, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
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Regardless if this article is true or not, I always take everything on the Guardian with a grain of salt, I don't know if their tech related articles are more trustworthy.

Best to take pretty much everything churned out by the media with a grain of salt :')

If you ask me. If the guy really was Satoshi, he'd have plenty of supereasy ways of proving it.
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May 04, 2016, 12:42:10 PM
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Of course it is a scam. Satoshi stayed anonymous since 2008... Why would he identify himself now? Nothing big happened to make him go public. Doesn't make any sense. He is just after ez money.

He wants to sell his coins. Imagine the panic if those coins started to move without notice and without people getting used to the idea that satoshi might need to cash out. It would be pandemonium.

 
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May 04, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
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Of course it is a scam. Satoshi stayed anonymous since 2008... Why would he identify himself now? Nothing big happened to make him go public. Doesn't make any sense. He is just after ez money.

He wants to sell his coins. Imagine the panic if those coins started to move without notice and without people getting used to the idea that satoshi might need to cash out. It would be pandemonium.

This is a possibility... Maybe the Australia government already found out he is Satoshi and asked him to pay for the US$450,000,000 income tax. The only way out is to sell the coins to cash out... unless oz government is "Bitcoin Accepted"...
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