Bitcoin to End Government and Change the World

[Hyena]

Bitcoin to End Government and Change the World... Get Out Of The Banking System Now

Jeff is interviewed by Gordon T Long of The Financial Repression Authority, topics include: getting outside the banking system with Bitcoin, rumours of Bitcoin’s demise are greatly exaggerated, one world government, currency and taxation system, planned world wide indebtedness, the Panama papers used to increase elite control, the total inability to control or shutdown Bitcoin, complete decentralisation, big banks frightened of Bitcoin, Bitcoin is evolution in money, blockchain technology will change the world, the replacement of government services, The Dollar Vigilante and the current investment environment, internationalisation, Russian cyber-warfare armies, controlled collapse of the global economy, sound money, bank bail ins, negative interest rates…

[Lutzow]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

[Hyena]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

I guess the end of governments is every person's individual matter. I choose not to be governed and thus to me governments no longer exist. If enough people did it, that would become a cold hard reality.

[Amph]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

I guess the end of governments is every person's individual matter. I choose not to be governed and thus to me governments no longer exist. If enough people did it, that would become a cold hard reality.

they fear the repercussions by going with bitcoin, because they know that it is not seen well, government is like legal mafia, can subjugate their citizens, and they will submit to it

fear of changing is the primarily reason why bitcoin is not yet globally adopted

[~Bitcoin~]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

The blockchain network those banks and government will be creating will be centralized one so they are not even close to be competitor of bitcoin. People will start loving decentralized things.

[Asrael999]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

I guess the end of governments is every person's individual matter. I choose not to be governed and thus to me governments no longer exist. If enough people did it, that would become a cold hard reality.

really? Who collects your bins, provides your local police force, paves the streets and runs any streetlamps? Or who pays the people who do those things?

You are governed whether you delude yourself into thinking otherwise or not.

[Hyena]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

I guess the end of governments is every person's individual matter. I choose not to be governed and thus to me governments no longer exist. If enough people did it, that would become a cold hard reality.

really? Who collects your bins, provides your local police force, paves the streets and runs any streetlamps? Or who pays the people who do those things?

You are governed whether you delude yourself into thinking otherwise or not.

don't fool yourself into thinking that these services are actually the reason why we absolutely need governments. people can easily do these things themselves and free market would provide supply wherever there is demand. be it street pavements or lamps, does not matter.

[Ultrafinery]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

I guess the end of governments is every person's individual matter. I choose not to be governed and thus to me governments no longer exist. If enough people did it, that would become a cold hard reality.

[indiemax]

Bitcoin and TRUMP will change the world

[Leonius]

Bitcoin and TRUMP will change the world

lol trump is in the recruiting phase like all the politicians do before elections, after they get power nothing changes. I agree on the bitcoin though a real tool of change!

[meh32123]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

I guess the end of governments is every person's individual matter. I choose not to be governed and thus to me governments no longer exist. If enough people did it, that would become a cold hard reality.

really? Who collects your bins, provides your local police force, paves the streets and runs any streetlamps? Or who pays the people who do those things?

You are governed whether you delude yourself into thinking otherwise or not.

don't fool yourself into thinking that these services are actually the reason why we absolutely need governments. people can easily do these things themselves and free market would provide supply wherever there is demand. be it street pavements or lamps, does not matter.

Of course... but for now, you are governed, if you like it or not. Thats just how a government rolls, they don't asks for your permission, they just take the money and provide you with services you might want. (owh and of course we all know who is really benefiting from all these government services..... the government herself)

[Hyena]

Of course... but for now, you are governed, if you like it or not. Thats just how a government rolls, they don't asks for your permission, they just take the money and provide you with services you might want. (owh and of course we all know who is really benefiting from all these government services..... the government herself)

quite true. I was wondering today what if I never gave any signature to anywhere. would I then be a free man? In theory it seems to be possible to live like that. Just pay in cash for goods and services and pay only the taxes that are fair (VAT, for example). Do not form a contract with any bank, demand payments in cash or bitcoins and when at the job interview, demand the amount of money your would get AFTER TAXES. This way you are not paying any taxes, not even the income tax because you made a specific payment requirement and you don't have to give a damn how your employer and the government settle this out.

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[meh32123]

Of course... but for now, you are governed, if you like it or not. Thats just how a government rolls, they don't asks for your permission, they just take the money and provide you with services you might want. (owh and of course we all know who is really benefiting from all these government services..... the government herself)

quite true. I was wondering today what if I never gave any signature to anywhere. would I then be a free man? In theory it seems to be possible to live like that. Just pay in cash for goods and services and pay only the taxes that are fair (VAT, for example). Do not form a contract with any bank, demand payments in cash or bitcoins and when at the job interview, demand the amount of money your would get AFTER TAXES. This way you are not paying any taxes, not even the income tax because you made a specific payment requirement and you don't have to give a damn how your employer and the government settle this out.

Then you would still not be completely free, you already state it yourself multiple times. You mention VAT and money "after taxes". You even state that VAT is fair... wtf.... Armed robbery is never fair. They should never ever get their sticky hands on your hard earned money (cash/bitcoins/gold/numbers on a bankaccount/rocks/etc.) In addition the government will still demand taxes for your garbage collection or property rights or what ever, and they WILL take it from you.

Besides giving a signature is perfectly fine, i mean if its your choice to make a contract with  bank, whats the problem then? In fact the things that are forced upon you, without you needing to sign/forcing you to sign, THAT is the problem. That is suppression.

[Hyena]

Then you would still not be completely free, you already state it yourself multiple times. You mention VAT and money "after taxes". You even state that VAT is fair... wtf.... Armed robbery is never fair. They should never ever get their sticky hands on your hard earned money (cash/bitcoins/gold/numbers on a bankaccount/rocks/etc.) In addition the government will still demand taxes for your garbage collection or property rights or what ever, and they WILL take it from you.

Besides giving a signature is perfectly fine, i mean if its your choice to make a contract with  bank, whats the problem then? In fact the things that are forced upon you, without you needing to sign/forcing you to sign, THAT is the problem. That is suppression.

VAT is fair because it's essentially a fee for a service. People are working on the borders to sort out illegal imports, for example. This is a service and I feel OK paying for such a service. You are not obliged to consume those services and since rich people can afford to consume more they naturally pay more taxes in the form of VAT. Income tax, on the other hand, is not fair. In fact, it is unehtical because it basically means that your wealth does not really belong to you. The government gets to get the first cut and you will get the lousy remnants.

Giving a signature empowers the rule of law, which is corrupt in its roots. Because people are unable to enforce the law in a just manner, it should be discarded as an obsolete fallacy. What is more, contracts are often abused by including small prints in them to rip people off. I think people are giving out signatures way too easily. It is not OK to have pages and pages long contracts just to form a gym membership, for example. You're right about the things forced upon you without needing you to sign them first though.

[meh32123]

VAT is fair because it's essentially a fee for a service. People are working on the borders to sort out illegal imports, for example. This is a service and I feel OK paying for such a service. You are not obliged to consume those services and since rich people can afford to consume more they naturally pay more taxes in the form of VAT. Income tax, on the other hand, is not fair. In fact, it is unehtical because it basically means that your wealth does not really belong to you. The government gets to get the first cut and you will get the lousy remnants.

Giving a signature empowers the rule of law, which is corrupt in its roots. Because people are unable to enforce the law in a just manner, it should be discarded as an obsolete fallacy. What is more, contracts are often abused by including small prints in them to rip people off. I think people are giving out signatures way too easily. It is not OK to have pages and pages long contracts just to form a gym membership, for example. You're right about the things forced upon you without needing you to sign them first though.

VAT is not part of the service you are buying... It's a third party (the government) ripping you both (the seller and the buyer) off.... A fee, you say, what in hell gives the government the right to add a fee to a product? Fair taxes don't exist IMO, for example what if the government decides to triple the VAT taxes, would you still find it to be fair then? or when they 10-fold it? VAT is still THEFT from our wealth!

Also VAT is in no way correlated to the people working on borders. If you feel you want to pay for people working on the borders, then buy THAT service. But don't justify VAT (which is being forced onto everyone) for that purpose. For instance, I like roads, they are partly payed via income tax, so now income tax is okay, no fucking way.

I am confused if you like government or not, it seems you like some of the services and you even approve some of their robberies of our wealth (VAT). On the other hand you don't like income tax and hate being governed.

In regards to the signature, its peoples own choice to sign stuff, if they don't read the fine prints that is their own responsibility IMO. If you don't like a gym contract with many pages of fine print, you can also decide to NOT take the service. I really don't understand your problem with signatures tbh, yes people could be more carefull, but that is not really the fault of the signatures right?

[Hyena]

VAT is not part of the service you are buying... It's a third party (the government) ripping you both (the seller and the buyer) off.... A fee, you say, what in hell gives the government the right to add a fee to a product? Fair taxes don't exist IMO, for example what if the government decides to triple the VAT taxes, would you still find it to be fair then? or when they 10-fold it? VAT is still THEFT from our wealth!

Also VAT is in no way correlated to the people working on borders. If you feel you want to pay for people working on the borders, then buy THAT service. But don't justify VAT (which is being forced onto everyone) for that purpose. For instance, I like roads, they are partly payed via income tax, so now income tax is okay, no fucking way.

I am confused if you like government or not, it seems you like some of the services and you even approve some of their robberies of our wealth (VAT). On the other hand you don't like income tax and hate being governed.

Well some taxes are justified while others are completely criminal. In short, all taxes are criminal, but VAT is definitely less criminal than the income tax. And if the government increased VAT 10 times there will be consequences, so they probably won't do that. That's why they invented the income tax instead, which pretty much says that you are someone else's property and all your income belongs to someone else. And if that is not enough, many people take loans and get into even deeper slavery.

In regards to the signature, its peoples own choice to sign stuff, if they don't read the fine prints that is their own responsibility IMO. If you don't like a gym contract with many pages of fine print, you can also decide to NOT take the service. I really don't understand your problem with signatures tbh, yes people could be more carefull, but that is not really the fault of the signatures right?

No problem with signatures. Free market sorts this one out. You don't have to go to a gym where there is a contract. However, I don't like the fact that signing is secretly made a normal and casual act. What if I didn't sign a thing in my life? Perhaps this would disrupt the system enough that it would accelerate its collapse, if all people did that. The bottom reason for all this is the fact that you are an object to your government. Your government gets loans from banks using you as a collateral. Instead, you should belong to yourself and you should make it very clear to everyone that you are not your legal name. So hypothetically, perhaps by not signing some papers to get an ID and what not, you are somewhat more free of a person than others?

[Ultrafinery]

Of course... but for now, you are governed, if you like it or not. Thats just how a government rolls, they don't asks for your permission, they just take the money and provide you with services you might want. (owh and of course we all know who is really benefiting from all these government services..... the government herself)

quite true. I was wondering today what if I never gave any signature to anywhere. would I then be a free man? In theory it seems to be possible to live like that. Just pay in cash for goods and services and pay only the taxes that are fair (VAT, for example). Do not form a contract with any bank, demand payments in cash or bitcoins and when at the job interview, demand the amount of money your would get AFTER TAXES.

Whelp, you'd be without a bank account and jobless. How is this any different from where you are now?

[Hyena]

Whelp, you'd be without a bank account and jobless. How is this any different from where you are now?

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[Elwar]

But financial institutions and banks are now creating their own blockchains so I guess government wont end.

I guess the end of governments is every person's individual matter. I choose not to be governed and thus to me governments no longer exist. If enough people did it, that would become a cold hard reality.

really? Who collects your bins, provides your local police force, paves the streets and runs any streetlamps? Or who pays the people who do those things?

You are governed whether you delude yourself into thinking otherwise or not.

Wait...you don't pay for your garbage service?

What happens when you have a problem with your service? You can't just change garbage collection companies?