Not Craig Wright? Who did you expect?

[futureofbitcoin]

Satoshi is not a basement dwelling kid, for sure, unless he is one that somehow managed to learn the coding skills of a wiser gentleman in between school classes  

The profile of the Bitcoin community according to the 2013 study is 31 year old male libertarian.

So, extrapolating from that he is highly likely male and he did show some libertarian streaks.

He is either a digital native-type programmer which would place him in that range, 30-36 or so. He seemed to post freely so he had free time, but he was also uninterested in money so he likely did work (Google, IBM or so).

He was a skilled cryptographer though as well and liked his cypherpunk. This was *niche* and tended to involve people a bit older so I would suspect he is a 40-50 year old male cryptographer with good job security.

He was skilled at disappearing and disliked the limelight so Wright does not fit the bill.

If we met Satoshi he would be an unassuming old white hat playing around on github.

He's not a kid, he's 28. He has free time because he's a NEET.

[LCSociety]

Craig obviously is Satoshi. The famous retort on this forum is "sign a message and prove it," well he did just that - and still the circus continues.

You wrote this much for nothing. Your first sentence line is incorrect and most will stop there. I did.
Craig did not sign a new message. He just did something anybody could do. what he did was a cheap scam.

You're at liberty to express your opinions. We all are.

Craig signed a brand new message, on camera. The BBC edited this out of their presentation because:

1. the whole world would have been able to verify it by using the code generated by the signed message

2. this would not bring cohesion to the image they'd like to portray of Craig White

Everyone can argue the fact until they're blue in the face.

People want to be pretend forensics "experts" but didn't even know who Craig White was until a few months ago because "they heard it in the media." So rest assured, there is an entire world of information that outsiders are not privy to as it pertains to the genesis of bitcoin

Studying prehistoric transactions on the blockchain will not produce any new information whatsoever

We do not have all the facts, and never will

The only individual capable of presenting us with unknown truths concerning Bitcion is now being made the target of media assasination, and having his credibility destroyed.

The electric car was invented more than 100 years ago, yet this technology has only just been released for public use. Systems to harness wireless electricity were created more than a 100 years ago, yet people are still paying ridiculous prices to remain "on the grid." Technology that allows cars to be powered by water has existed since the 70's, yet here we are lining up like minions at the gas station.

Alls i'm saying is there are powers that have been controlling society for centuries

Families that can trace their linage, unbroken, all the way back to the days of the pharaohs are still in power till this day.

Reality is a construct of human imagination, yet we are all subject to THEIR reality. This is not checkers, or chess. This is quantum physics and these people have mastered this game of projecting which ever reality they choose, and having the masses adjust to it.

Bitcoin came from the top down, not the bottom up. All major changes in society emerge from the top down. The internet, electricity and so on.

Craig will be rooted out of the picture eventually, like all true innovators are. Edison stole most of Nikolai Tesla's work, and because he was bankrolled by the system he is hailed as a hero. Nikolai Tesla died poor and had all his inventions smashed and hidden from the masses.

So whilst Craig is still alive, we should all respect him for what he has done. He is the true rebel that most people here can only WISH they were

[ObscureBean]

Proving he is Satoshi should be as simple as moving a few coins from his original account but this whole thing is getting more and more convoluted. Have you guys heard the story of this VaughnPerling guy who claims he met Wright in 2005 and that Wright introduced himself as Satoshi Nakamoto and discussed Bitcoin technology (not yet named Bitcoin) with him? That's insane lol that he would've known Satoshi's face all along and only learned much later of his real name 
Here's the article:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/satoshi-saga-continues-tulip-trust-trustee-expected-to-appear-by-september-says-joseph-vaughnperling-1462467803

[NeuroticFish]

You're at liberty to express your opinions. We all are.

Thank you.

Craig signed a brand new message, on camera. The BBC edited this out of their presentation because:

1. the whole world would have been able to verify it by using the code generated by the signed message

2. this would not bring cohesion to the image they'd like to portray of Craig White

Interesting theory. If you also have a proof, it can get even more interesting.

Alls i'm saying is there are powers that have been controlling society for centuries

I tend to somehow agree with this, though I wouldn't bring it to the level you are implying.

So whilst Craig is still alive, we should all respect him for what he has done. He is the true rebel that most people here can only WISH they were

I would respect him if he would have convinced me. Unfortunately, all the evidence I have tells that this guy is a fraud, though a fraud that may have known "Satoshi"...

[Boosterious]

Yes not Craig Wrigh i expected for being Satoshi Nakamoto,but also i confuse to choose who is proper and suitable for Satoshi Nakamoto,i wish people from asia come and claiming as bitcoin founder,maybe they one of member from Satoshi Nakamoto group.

[cjmoles]

Craig obviously is Satoshi. The famous retort on this forum is "sign a message and prove it," well he did just that - and still the circus continues.

It's obvious that Craig was a mere piece on the chess board.

It's akin to some talented developer from the Ukraine that responds to an ad on UpWork to become the lead developer for a $1Million+ project. Craig created something on the behalf of a powerful group of people, who employed him to bring their ideas to fruition.

It was never the intention of this group of individuals to reveal their identity, hence the Satoshi Nakamoto pseudonym - which is actually an anagram for "So a Man Took A Shit." (Pump and dump anyone?)

Craig being disruptive by nature comes out and reveals that he is the creator of bitcoin (oh no, what else will he reveal? why doesn't he want to take credit and receive praise?)....... then this character assassination plot is launched against him to diminish his credibility. I mean this guy actually created bitcoin... so if anyone could create a rival to this system it would be Craig White, with the support of a plethora of financial backers.

But, no credibility = no support, societal shunning etc - think middle easterners, michael jackson, muammar gaddafi. Assasinate the character first, and then get rid of them entirely

..... So now anytime Craig White is mentioned in the media, the agenda will be to tarnish his credibility and paint him as incompetent, and incapable. The first time the media introduced us to Craig he was being dragged out of his home in handcuffs - psychologically, 90% of those that saw those images now subliminally associate Craig White with criminalism, instead of innovation. We never saw Steve Jobs home being raided.

To me it doesn't matter who created bitcoin. I traded penny stocks for years without caring to know who the CEO of any of those companies were

But I will not engage in this agenda to tarnish another human being

Craig white may have alot of other interesting information to reveal, but the media has now started their tirade to paint this man as a liar. So whatever he reveals next will be laughed off, and dismissed. I wont be surprised if the guy turns up dead due to suicide via two gunshots to the head

We all should think

We call ourselves anarchists and libertarians etc etc, yet here everyone is.... Still being lead and controlled by the hidden hand

^^ This guy!  What?  Tinfoil hat broken?

So, no proof == obvious proof?  He used the protocol to verify his identity to a third party, so we should trust that evidence and ignore what we don't see on the chain?  Are we once again resigned to relying upon third party validation even though we invented this wonderful system to eliminate that "PROBLEM?"

I think this reasoning is exactly why Craig Wright doesn't fit the profile of the Satoshi Nakamoto we've come to understand.  WE DON'T NEED, NOR SHOULD WE ACCEPT, THIRD PARTY VALIDATION OF MATTERS CONCERNING THE LEDGER....PERIOD!  So, whether he's a middle aged white guy going thru some form of mid-life crisis, or a long haired, pot smoking, midget mind in a basement somewhere really doesn't matter.  If he is trying to invalidate the value of the block chain ledger, then he is not our (Bitcoin's) guy; he is our (Bitcoin's) enemy!

[BADecker]

Craig obviously is Satoshi. The famous retort on this forum is "sign a message and prove it," well he did just that - and still the circus continues.

It's obvious that Craig was a mere piece on the chess board.

It's akin to some talented developer from the Ukraine that responds to an ad on UpWork to become the lead developer for a $1Million+ project. Craig created something on the behalf of a powerful group of people, who employed him to bring their ideas to fruition.

It was never the intention of this group of individuals to reveal their identity, hence the Satoshi Nakamoto pseudonym - which is actually an anagram for "So a Man Took A Shit." (Pump and dump anyone?)

Craig being disruptive by nature comes out and reveals that he is the creator of bitcoin (oh no, what else will he reveal? why doesn't he want to take credit and receive praise?)....... then this character assassination plot is launched against him to diminish his credibility. I mean this guy actually created bitcoin... so if anyone could create a rival to this system it would be Craig White, with the support of a plethora of financial backers.

But, no credibility = no support, societal shunning etc - think middle easterners, michael jackson, muammar gaddafi. Assasinate the character first, and then get rid of them entirely

..... So now anytime Craig White is mentioned in the media, the agenda will be to tarnish his credibility and paint him as incompetent, and incapable. The first time the media introduced us to Craig he was being dragged out of his home in handcuffs - psychologically, 90% of those that saw those images now subliminally associate Craig White with criminalism, instead of innovation. We never saw Steve Jobs home being raided.

To me it doesn't matter who created bitcoin. I traded penny stocks for years without caring to know who the CEO of any of those companies were

But I will not engage in this agenda to tarnish another human being

Craig white may have alot of other interesting information to reveal, but the media has now started their tirade to paint this man as a liar. So whatever he reveals next will be laughed off, and dismissed. I wont be surprised if the guy turns up dead due to suicide via two gunshots to the head

We all should think

We call ourselves anarchists and libertarians etc etc, yet here everyone is.... Still being lead and controlled by the hidden hand

^^ This guy!  What?  Tinfoil hat broken?

So, no proof == obvious proof?  He used the protocol to verify his identity to a third party, so we should trust that evidence and ignore what we don't see on the chain?  Are we once again resigned to relying upon third party validation even though we invented this wonderful system to eliminate that "PROBLEM?"

I think this reasoning is exactly why Craig Wright doesn't fit the profile of the Satoshi Nakamoto we've come to understand.  WE DON'T NEED, NOR SHOULD WE ACCEPT, THIRD PARTY VALIDATION OF MATTERS CONCERNING THE LEDGER....PERIOD!  So, whether he's a middle aged white guy going thru some form of mid-life crisis, or a long haired, pot smoking, midget mind in a basement somewhere really doesn't matter.  If he is trying to invalidate the value of the block chain ledger, then he is not our (Bitcoin's) guy; he is our (Bitcoin's) enemy!

I agree. In addition, anybody who calls him "Craig White" when we all know his name is Craig Wright, really has some kind of a problem. Or was LCSociety actually dropping a hint that some joker named Craig White is the real Satoshi?

[tyz]

I personally believe that Craig Wright has something to do with the creation of Bitcoin. Probably, he is one part of the group what created Bitcoin. I do not think he is the developer but he has got a lot of experience in the field of security and encryption. I believe that Hal Finney is one of the group members, too. Probably, Hal is the developer who created the source code. Unfortunately, Hal can not give his opinion to this Wright story anymore.

[practicaldreamer]

WE DON'T NEED, NOR SHOULD WE ACCEPT, THIRD PARTY VALIDATION OF MATTERS CONCERNING THE LEDGER....PERIOD!

"WE" ??

Who the fuck is WE ?

There is no "WE".

Who are you ?

If you send me 10btc I don't need to trust you - thats been farmed out. But what if someone tells me you are the son of Superman ? What you gonna do ? Would you want to prove it to me, even if it were true ? The blockchain isn't going to help you out here - its an existential issue.

Do you value your agency, your freedom to act in a manner of your choosing, where when and if you decide ?
Or do you wanna be a star ?

But be sure of this before you make your decision - you can't have it both ways.
Upon careful and painstaking reflection you may even come to feel that ostracism and ridicule is a price worth paying for, well, freedom. To be yourself. To retain your real identity, defined by you, for you.

I dunno - what do you think ?

[--Encrypted--]

So Craig Wright may or may not be Satoshi Nakamoto, and that won't be the subject of this topic.

What I want to discuss here is that among all the naysayers, there are folks who seem to just look down on Wright, thinking that he cannot be Satoshi, because he's a middle-aged clean-shaven normal looking white guy (yes, that description also fits me), and that they expected Satoshi to be some kind of a long-haired pot-smoking pale-faced anarcho-punk with tattoos all over.

So he may or may not be, but we should all agree that he has the correct look, age and background to be. Some posts I've read about him are really offensive, and there's no need for that. I'd be happy if Satoshi is a man like M.Wright.

his look and age really doesn't matter. he have history of faking his background (read this). at the very least I would be a little disappointed if it was proven that wright is indeed satoshi.

[Hazir]

So Craig Wright may or may not be Satoshi Nakamoto, and that won't be the subject of this topic.

What I want to discuss here is that among all the naysayers, there are folks who seem to just look down on Wright, thinking that he cannot be Satoshi, because he's a middle-aged clean-shaven normal looking white guy (yes, that description also fits me), and that they expected Satoshi to be some kind of a long-haired pot-smoking pale-faced anarcho-punk with tattoos all over.

So he may or may not be, but we should all agree that he has the correct look, age and background to be. Some posts I've read about him are really offensive, and there's no need for that. I'd be happy if Satoshi is a man like M.Wright.

Actually it is very good question! I like to theorize about bitcoin genesis too. I realized that for many people bitcoin beginning is shrouded in mystery to the point they started to worship Satoshi as some kind of deity.
For them it is almost impossible to accept that he might be normal human being and it will be better if his identity was never revealed.

[cjmoles]

WE DON'T NEED, NOR SHOULD WE ACCEPT, THIRD PARTY VALIDATION OF MATTERS CONCERNING THE LEDGER....PERIOD!

"WE" ??

Who the fuck is WE ?

There is no "WE".

Who are you ?

If you send me 10btc I don't need to trust you - thats been farmed out. But what if someone tells me you are the son of Superman ? What you gonna do ? Would you want to prove it to me, even if it were true ? The blockchain isn't going to help you out here - its an existential issue.

Do you value your agency, your freedom to act in a manner of your choosing, where when and if you decide ?
Or do you wanna be a star ?

"We" are those who are reviewing the proofs presented to us by third parties.  "We" are those who the media is addressing.  And, "we" are those who utilize the block chain ledger to form the bitcoin network.  There could be no network if there were no "we."

Believing that the only function of the block chain is to send and receive bitcoin in a trustless manner is naive.  Take for example the newspaper headline contained within the genesis block, "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks," this was included to prove when bitcoin was created....The ledger provides a means to record statements of fact in a trustless manner also.

And, yes, I agree; the block chain can't prove that this guy is who he claims to be because that is an existential issue.  But, it can prove that he holds the private keys he is claiming to possess, in the many ways he has publicly tried to convince us he actually possesses.  He is the one claiming to hold those keys, so he is the one the burden of proof falls upon.  And, he can prove those claims very easily by submitting an entry on the ledger....asking a third party to validate and transmit his claims is sidestepping the protocol.  He doesn't have to prove to us he is superman because that's not required.  All he has to do is provide some factual evidence to back up his claims.

EDIT: (response to edit)"But be sure of this before you make your decision - you can't have it both ways.
Upon careful and painstaking reflection you may even come to feel that ostracism and ridicule is a price worth paying for, well, freedom. To be yourself. To retain your real identity, defined by you, for you.

I dunno - what do you think ?"


I think that the block chain ledger provides the people the freedom to take back control of personal worth from those agencies which have been manipulating it to suit their needs for centuries.  It provides the freedom to accept or deny personal assets && liabilities as we see fit.  If I'm am saying this "thing" is mine, the ledger provides an avenue to prove that "thing" without the necessity to involve a third party.  All I am saying is that the ledger provides a mechanism to prove my claims and it provides a mechanism by which I can disassociate my public identity from those claims....That freedom is provided by the block chain....going through a third party is unnecessary....Why, if I chose to be anonymous, would I hire a PR team to blast my face all over the media?  That does not fit the profile of one who had the conviction to conceptualize a mechanism to remove that burden.

Ultimately, it's our choice to make.  The truth being, how much I am worth and how much they say I am worth does not matter because I hold the keys to who I am and it's not attached to a centralized data base controlled by any other entity.  I do what I do and the appendages attached to my name are irrelevant.

[Enotche]

Craig does not Satoshi.
Craig Wright stopped trying to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. May 5 removed from the site all the statements in which he talked about his involvement in the development of cryptocurrency.
As regards "because he's a middle-aged clean-shaven normal looking white guy". Appearances are deceptive. You can not judge a person by his appearance. Yes, there is a stereotype that the first impression comes from the appearance. But no one knows what a man really is. Dirty smelly homeless person may be in the past, famous and gifted musician.

And I do not tire of repeating, "What do you care who Satoshi? Just use the Bitcoin and enjoy!"

[ObscureBean]

I've been reading that there are people who believe Gavin Andresen is actually Satoshi and that he created and interacted with the Satoshi account publicly just to make his Houdini-style disappearing act more believable and send people on a wild goose chase  
Reading about conspiracy theories is fun  

[finishedgrey]

Satoshi is obviously a 28 year old Japanese NEET living in his parents' basement.

So satoshi is a Japanese then?

[ebliever]

I agree. In addition, anybody who calls him "Craig White" when we all know his name is Craig Wright, really has some kind of a problem. Or was LCSociety actually dropping a hint that some joker named Craig White is the real Satoshi?

LCSociety has been arguing Wright is Satoshi on another thread. Actually, he's been promoting every crank conspiracy theory you've ever heard of and a few that you haven't on a couple threads here the last few days. Either a master troll or someone in need of some serious help IRL. At any rate, he's wasted a lot of people's time here so I suggest we start ignoring him.

[fenican]

Technology that allows cars to be powered by water has existed since the 70's, yet here we are lining up like minions at the gas station.

Actually steam power has been around since the 1800's but the problem is you need a heat source, such as burning coal or wood - or a nuclear reactor - to evaporate the water. Subs and Aircraft Carriers have nuclear reactors but not too practical in a car.

If you are talking about separating Hydrogen from Oxygen, i.e. a fuel cell, that works too but it isn't "powered by water" since an energy source is needed to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen.

Electric cars have been ubiquitous for decades on the golf course but were impractical for roads due to short battery life and low yield. Sure you could have very lightweight cars, and there is nothing really preventing you from using a golf cart on the roads, but you'll be dead if it crashes into anything at speed.

But sure by all means go to your dealership and by yourself a water car. Oh, wait, there are none. The "evil man" must be responsible. Never mind that Elon Musk is cranking out electric cars all day long with ZERO resistance from the "evil man" that you think has held back al these wonderful water-powered technologies.

[synthgauge]

WE DON'T NEED, NOR SHOULD WE ACCEPT, THIRD PARTY VALIDATION OF MATTERS CONCERNING THE LEDGER....PERIOD!

"WE" ??

Who the fuck is WE ?

There is no "WE".

Who are you ?

If you send me 10btc I don't need to trust you - thats been farmed out. But what if someone tells me you are the son of Superman ? What you gonna do ? Would you want to prove it to me, even if it were true ? The blockchain isn't going to help you out here - its an existential issue.

Do you value your agency, your freedom to act in a manner of your choosing, where when and if you decide ?
Or do you wanna be a star ?

But be sure of this before you make your decision - you can't have it both ways.
Upon careful and painstaking reflection you may even come to feel that ostracism and ridicule is a price worth paying for, well, freedom. To be yourself. To retain your real identity, defined by you, for you.

I dunno - what do you think ?

[practicaldreamer]

..the block chain ...can prove that he holds the private keys he is claiming to possess, in the many ways he has publicly tried to convince us he actually possessed.  He is the one claiming to hold those keys, so he is the one the burden of proof falls upon.  And, he can prove those claims very easily by submitting an entry on the ledger....asking a third party to validate and transmit his claims is sidestepping the protocol.  

Yes - why would he do that ?

 

I do what I do and the appendages attached to my name are irrelevant.

Careful - now you are starting to sound like him  

As I'm seeing it now Craig Wright has kind of wanted his cake and to eat it. He's done this by only ostensibly going public ie. not going public at all, but by lodging the proof, and laying the burden of that proof, with (in particular) Andresen. He's kind of diluted his personal liability. Which, to be honest, is giving Gavin the short end of the stick.

(As an aside, Craigs reticence to prove his ownership of the private keys even to Gavin (he became quite emotional apparently, his voice was breaking) possibly gives us some insight into the extent to which this man has valued his anonymity here, and understands the possible magnitude/gravity for him personally in coming out at all - even if he did only do it via proxy and a non disclosure agreement)

There's more, I'm sure, to come out about this. Because as things stand right now, there has been no closure for anyone concerned. For me, as I've said before, the guy is legit. But its more of a gut instinct than anything else - so I'm not really surprised if not many people share my view.

It doesn't really matter either way.

I've tried to resist quoting Nietzsche here but what the Hell :- "God is dead, and we have killed him"

LOL - are you part of the WE ?

[amiryaqot]

Bitcoin community is more powerful without Craig Wright so it doesn't matter who is that person, majority of the people believe Craig Wright is not the Satoshi in real because he failed to prove his claim there, we don't need him anymore here to make some funny statements about what he is talking there.