Racism and intelligence

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http://socpro.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/01/08/socpro.spv028

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/were-only-human/is-racism-just-a-form-of-stupidity.html

Dhont and Hodson believe they have an answer to this, again one based on rigorous abundant evidence. Their theory is that right-wing ideologies attract people with lower mental abilities because they minimize the complexity of the world. Right-wing ideologies offer well-structured and ordered views of society, views that preserve traditions and norms, so they are especially attractive to those who are threatened by change and want to avoid uncertainty and ambiguity. Conversely, smart people are more capable of grasping a world of nuance, fluidity and relativity.
The empirical evidence supports this link, too. Low intelligence and “low effort thinking” are strongly linked to right-wing attitudes, including authoritarianism and conservative politics. And again, there appears to be a demonstrable causal link: Studies have found, for example, that children with poor mental skills grow up to be strongly right-wing adults.

Feel free to post additional information, your experience and opinion about this topic.

I found more studies but as far as i know these are some of the newest.

[Losvienleg]

What a bullshit. To understand right-wing and far-right-wing way to think, you have to be of that side, like it is for left-wing and far-left-wing. Results are always crappy when one side tries to examinate the other one.

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What a bullshit. To understand right-wing and far-right-wing way to think, you have to be of that side, like it is for left-wing and far-left-wing. Results are always crappy when one side tries to examinate the other one.

science based on empirical data is bullshit? 

i think you are a good example that these studies are correct

[alphatv]

There is no co-relation between both but there are lots of intelligent people who are raciest as well.

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There is no co-relation between both but there are lots of intelligent people who are raciest as well.

can you elaborate on the first part and give evidence for the same?

i asked for opinions but please try to back up your opinions with facts and arguments.


also please read the studies before you post. both posters above didnt.

[jt byte]

There is no co-relation between both but there are lots of intelligent people who are raciest as well.

It is society's way to make the population abide by a certain way of conduct.
Even if they were intelligent, they would not be unless to conform the way society would portray them.

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There is no co-relation between both but there are lots of intelligent people who are raciest as well.

It is society's way to make the population abide by a certain way of conduct.
Even if they were intelligent, they would not be unless to conform the way society would portray them.

intelligence can be measured by an iq test.

do we agree on such basic stuffs? if not please refrain from posting here and create your own thread.

wtf seems i hit a point or why are only trolls coming here? 

[Moloch]

I agree with the premise of the thread, but not necessarily the reasoning behind it...

I would argue that the predominant factor is religion... religious people are dumb... religious people also tend to vote republican (simply because republicans cater to their demands/ideals)... herego, republicans are dumb by proxy, but not for the assumed reason in the OP

Though, I suppose you could argue that it's not, "religious people are dumb", but rather "dumb people are religious"...

Is this the new, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

[jt byte]

There is no co-relation between both but there are lots of intelligent people who are raciest as well.

It is society's way to make the population abide by a certain way of conduct.
Even if they were intelligent, they would not be unless to conform the way society would portray them.

intelligence can be measured by an iq test.

do we agree on such basic stuffs? if not please refrain from posting here and create your own thread.

wtf seems i hit a point or why are only trolls coming here? 

No I DO NOT. Psychology also plays a role in it too.
A crazy like Charlie Manson can take the test as well saying he is intelligent but DO YOU see him as that?
If so, then more intelligent people with a higher score on those tests will beg to Differ. 

[Moloch]

There is no co-relation between both but there are lots of intelligent people who are raciest as well.

It is society's way to make the population abide by a certain way of conduct.
Even if they were intelligent, they would not be unless to conform the way society would portray them.

intelligence can be measured by an iq test.

do we agree on such basic stuffs? if not please refrain from posting here and create your own thread.

wtf seems i hit a point or why are only trolls coming here?  

No I DO NOT. Psychology also plays a role in it too.
A crazy like Charlie Manson can take the test as well saying he is intelligent but DO YOU see him as that?
If so, then more intelligent people with a higher score on those tests will beg to Differ.  

I believe Charles Manson would get an A+ on both an IQ test, and Hare's Psychopathy checklist...

Just because he's a psychopath, does not mean he isn't also intelligent... most psychopaths are both intelligent and outgoing... the guy you'd least suspect

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I agree with the premise of the thread, but not necessarily the reasoning behind it...

I would argue that the predominant factor is religion... religious people are dumb... religious people also tend to vote republican (simply because republicans cater to their demands/ideals)... herego, republicans are dumb by proxy, but not for the assumed reason in the OP

Though, I suppose you could argue that it's not, "religious people are dumb", but rather "dumb people are religious"...

Is this the new, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

I also read about religion and intelligence and would agree with your findings that low iq people usually are very religious.

And very religious people usually tend to discriminate against other religions and certain religious groups.
( i.e. there is only one true religion )

One such group that sets a great example would probaly be the KKK.

[Moloch]

I agree with the premise of the thread, but not necessarily the reasoning behind it...

I would argue that the predominant factor is religion... religious people are dumb... religious people also tend to vote republican (simply because republicans cater to their demands/ideals)... herego, republicans are dumb by proxy, but not for the assumed reason in the OP

Though, I suppose you could argue that it's not, "religious people are dumb", but rather "dumb people are religious"...

Is this the new, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

I also read about religion and intelligence and would agree with your findings that low iq people usually are very religious.

And very religious people usually tend to discriminate against other religions and certain religious groups.
( i.e. there is only one true religion )

One such group that sets a great example would probaly be the KKK.

Don't forget, religious people also argued in favor of slavery (racism)

James Thornwell, a minister, wrote in 1860, "The parties in this conflict are not merely Abolitionists and slaveholders, they are Atheists, Socialists, Communists, Red Republicans, Jacobins on the one side and the friends of order and regulated freedom on the other."

(by regulated freedom, he means the freedom to own slaves as your property... not freedom for black people)
(in much the same way that today, "religious freedom/liberty" means freedom to discriminate against homosexuals)

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery/


They used the exact same passages from the bible as they use to condone their homophobia (with the addition of the part about Noah's son, Ham... god curses his decendants to be "servants", which religious people decided means black slaves... Ham = black = slaves)

Slavery is condoned in the bible in at least a dozen different places... and condemned zero times

The bible is all about tribalism... and hating anyone who doesn't look and believe like you do... it's full of genocide... the Israelites murdered countless civilizations... literal genocide, several times in the old testament

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There is no co-relation between both but there are lots of intelligent people who are raciest as well.

It is society's way to make the population abide by a certain way of conduct.
Even if they were intelligent, they would not be unless to conform the way society would portray them.

intelligence can be measured by an iq test.

do we agree on such basic stuffs? if not please refrain from posting here and create your own thread.

wtf seems i hit a point or why are only trolls coming here? 

No I DO NOT. Psychology also plays a role in it too.
A crazy like Charlie Manson can take the test as well saying he is intelligent but DO YOU see him as that?
If so, then more intelligent people with a higher score on those tests will beg to Differ. 

Intelligence has nothing to do with bad and good.
You either have low iq, average iq, high iq or something in between. It doesnt matter for the test and the result if you are c. Mason or m. Ghandi.
Iq measured by an iq test just says something about the intrinsic abilities of your brain to proceed information.

Im pretty sure i know high iq people will agree with me.

[Evildrum]

As much as I dislike alot of the racist rhetoric that is posted here for discussion, I find psychology tends to suffer from wearing blinders or dismissing anything that does not reinforce the view. I enjoy it but you have to be alert to left leaning articles like this one.
Racism shows up all along the spectrum of intelligence, its the dismissive stance to pretend that its just poor and uneducated folks that are inflicted.

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As much as I dislike alot of the racist rhetoric that is posted here for discussion, I find psychology tends to suffer from wearing blinders or dismissing anything that does not reinforce the view. I enjoy it but you have to be alert to left leaning articles like this one.
Racism shows up all along the spectrum of intelligence, its the dismissive stance to pretend that its just poor and uneducated folks that are inflicted.

I agree with that and want to add that the studies i linked dont say that.

Low iq correlates highly with racism but that doesnt mean that every racist is low iq.

That is why i asked people to read the studies first

[jt byte]

Ok. I should of said normal people that abide by the norm to live a normal life is seen as intelligent to me.
But we all have our own opinion on how this is perceived.
Forcing your views on others is not an intelligent way to act by any means and just gets you ostracized by your peers which to me is a very unintelligent thing to do, anyway you try to spin it. It is a barbaric way to act in my view anyways.

[criptix]

Ok. I should of said normal people that abide by the norm to live a normal life is seen as intelligent to me.
But we all have our own opinion on how this is perceived.
Forcing your views on others is not an intelligent way to act by any means and just gets you ostracized by your peers which to me is a very unintelligent thing to do, anyway you try to spin it. It is a barbaric way to act in my view anyways.

Not sure why you feel offended, so let me try to explain it in another way:

In school math 1 plus 1 equals 2. It doesnt matter which opinion we have about it - it is just a fact.

Same goes for (high) intelligence which enables a human being to have higher cognitive abilities then other people with less iq.
If or how you use your high intelligence is a whole different question.

Higher cognitive abilities also show themself in several different ways and is unique to your personality and physical being.

But i believe the most important feat of (high) intelligence is being able to think for yourself.

So try it and research the topic, because i somehow doubt that you even read the quote.

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Btw. Who is setting the norm? In nazi germany it was the norm to kill jews.

[jt byte]

Ok. I should of said normal people that abide by the norm to live a normal life is seen as intelligent to me.
But we all have our own opinion on how this is perceived.
Forcing your views on others is not an intelligent way to act by any means and just gets you ostracized by your peers which to me is a very unintelligent thing to do, anyway you try to spin it. It is a barbaric way to act in my view anyways.

Not sure why you feel offended, so let me try to explain it in another way:

In school math 1 plus 1 equals 2. It doesnt matter which opinion we have about it - it is just a fact.

Same goes for (high) intelligence which enables a human being to have higher cognitive abilities then other people with less iq.
If or how you use your high intelligence is a whole different question.

Higher cognitive abilities also show themself in several different ways and is unique to your personality and physical being.

But i believe the most important feat of (high) intelligence is being able to think for yourself.

So try it and research the topic, because i somehow doubt that you even read the quote.

*edit

Btw. Who is setting the norm? In nazi germany it was the norm to kill jews.

Oh god. You need to take a course in sociology.
You remain to gloss over the point I am trying to obviously show you.
Arrogance tends to do that to people if don't know anything about social behaviours.

[criptix]

Ok. I should of said normal people that abide by the norm to live a normal life is seen as intelligent to me.
But we all have our own opinion on how this is perceived.
Forcing your views on others is not an intelligent way to act by any means and just gets you ostracized by your peers which to me is a very unintelligent thing to do, anyway you try to spin it. It is a barbaric way to act in my view anyways.

Not sure why you feel offended, so let me try to explain it in another way:

In school math 1 plus 1 equals 2. It doesnt matter which opinion we have about it - it is just a fact.

Same goes for (high) intelligence which enables a human being to have higher cognitive abilities then other people with less iq.
If or how you use your high intelligence is a whole different question.

Higher cognitive abilities also show themself in several different ways and is unique to your personality and physical being.

But i believe the most important feat of (high) intelligence is being able to think for yourself.

So try it and research the topic, because i somehow doubt that you even read the quote.

*edit

Btw. Who is setting the norm? In nazi germany it was the norm to kill jews.

Oh god. You need to take a course in sociology.
You remain to gloss over the point I am trying to obviously show you.
Arrogance tends to do that to people if don't know anything about social behaviours.

Please explain the point you are obviously trying to show me?
Because im not forcing any views on anybody im just presenting facts.

But obviously your reading comprehension seems to be hm.. sub-par.

Oh and btw being low iq is nothing that you need to feel bad about or even offended. It is just like your skin color. Some are white, others are black or yellow ( not sure if the last is true).

[jt byte]

Ok. I should of said normal people that abide by the norm to live a normal life is seen as intelligent to me.
But we all have our own opinion on how this is perceived.
Forcing your views on others is not an intelligent way to act by any means and just gets you ostracized by your peers which to me is a very unintelligent thing to do, anyway you try to spin it. It is a barbaric way to act in my view anyways.

Not sure why you feel offended, so let me try to explain it in another way:

In school math 1 plus 1 equals 2. It doesnt matter which opinion we have about it - it is just a fact.

Same goes for (high) intelligence which enables a human being to have higher cognitive abilities then other people with less iq.
If or how you use your high intelligence is a whole different question.

Higher cognitive abilities also show themself in several different ways and is unique to your personality and physical being.

But i believe the most important feat of (high) intelligence is being able to think for yourself.

So try it and research the topic, because i somehow doubt that you even read the quote.

*edit

Btw. Who is setting the norm? In nazi germany it was the norm to kill jews.

Oh god. You need to take a course in sociology.
You remain to gloss over the point I am trying to obviously show you.
Arrogance tends to do that to people if don't know anything about social behaviours.

Please explain the point you are obviously trying to show me?
Because im not forcing any views on anybody im just presenting facts.

But obviously your reading comprehension seems to be hm.. sub-par.

Oh and btw being low iq is nothing that you need to feel bad about or even offended. It is just like your skin color. Some are white, others are black or yellow ( not sure if the last is true).

No time to argue with such a person with your comprehension skills about how society works, thats prominently shown you are lacking.
As they always say, don't argue with an idiot because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Racists are the same way. They look for flaws to make themselves look more superior than others, as your skin color comment has outed you as one.
I have a life to live without being so miserable as racists are in theirs.
And no, I did not waste my time reading your "quotes" as you put it. I prefer not to give them any traffic . Glad I didn't waste a second of my life reading any of that hate BS. There is enough of that nazi heralded proganda in life as it is.
But keep going keyboard warrior, do whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
I won't be an audience to this poor excuse of a thread any longer.