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May 16, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
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And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/

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May 16, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
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And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/



I wonder how and why people with that kind of mindset are doing on a bitcoin forum...  Roll Eyes

Not compatible. Unless...


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May 16, 2016, 05:11:59 PM
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Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.

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May 16, 2016, 05:21:54 PM
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It kind of seems that the whole world supresses conservative views. 
Watch television, or read the internet, or read newspapers and you will see that everyone is liberal and Trump and the other far right are a joke.

THEN look at the voting numbers.  It doesn't seem to match what you have heard, seen or read!  There must be a silent majority out there who are voting for conservative, but don't tell anyone about it, or at least not publically.

I am always suprised how right leaning the US is, but how left leaning there TV is!
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May 16, 2016, 05:25:05 PM
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Well trump is a joke and majority of people were always since the beginning of humanity stupid.

The only thing which would change that would be the transition to a knowledge society.

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May 16, 2016, 06:09:56 PM
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Well trump is a joke and majority of people were always since the beginning of humanity stupid.

The only thing which would change that would be the transition to a knowledge society.


With you as one of its prefects?

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May 16, 2016, 07:51:56 PM
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And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/

Not what I said but it's not like you even read me in the first place

What I said is that if you expect honest and objective informations and actions from a PRIVATE company you're just too dumb to deserve anything else.

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May 16, 2016, 07:53:15 PM
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And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/



I wonder how and why people with that kind of mindset are doing on a bitcoin forum...  Roll Eyes

Not compatible. Unless...




Unless you didn't read correctly what I wrote. Well it's not like you ever read what I wrote correctly though xD
It's much easier to just change subject and avoid arguments isn't it willikon ?

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May 16, 2016, 08:17:55 PM
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Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.

I bolded the one aspect of what you said making any sense,the latter part of the first sentence relates to what?
Its not news to me or others that visit here that the top companies are nefarious in their natural state,so no bubble needs to be popped.
We can all take a deep breath and get back on topic of companies need for censorship and dictating the out look of the news.

Some of these companies have infiltrated so many aspects of our lives that it is no longer possible to get around them with out some pains.
So imagine what the future is going to look like when they are even more in our homes and transportation! You may be open to the idea because you feel this is a attack on capitalism but I disagree.

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May 16, 2016, 08:21:36 PM
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Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.

I bolded the one aspect of what you said making any sense,the latter part of the first sentence relates to what?
Its not news to me or others that visit here that the top companies are nefarious in their natural state,so no bubble needs to be popped.
We can all take a deep breath and get back on topic of companies need for censorship and dictating the out look of the news.

Some of these companies have infiltrated so many aspects of our lives that it is no longer possible to get around them with out some pains.
So imagine what the future is going to look like when they are even more in our homes and transportation! You may be open to the idea because you feel this is a attack on capitalism but I disagree.


Some citizens in some countries are so used to hold their knees while standing up, they believe what they feel behind them is a natural sensation...


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May 16, 2016, 09:32:42 PM
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Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.

I bolded the one aspect of what you said making any sense,the latter part of the first sentence relates to what?
Its not news to me or others that visit here that the top companies are nefarious in their natural state,so no bubble needs to be popped.
We can all take a deep breath and get back on topic of companies need for censorship and dictating the out look of the news.

Some of these companies have infiltrated so many aspects of our lives that it is no longer possible to get around them with out some pains.
So imagine what the future is going to look like when they are even more in our homes and transportation! You may be open to the idea because you feel this is a attack on capitalism but I disagree.

I got the impression that people were surprised about it.

And yes sadly people are allright with being misled. You can see it in everything from economics to politics and even here on our forum - every single day.

Anyone remember enron? Volkswagen diesel scam? Oxfam studies? Panama papers?

Why do they accept and tolerate it would be the question?
Because it makes their live a lot easier.

About your last sentence can you please parahrase? I dont quite understand, because all i was saying is that capitalism is supporting such methods - so where is the link?

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May 17, 2016, 01:50:07 AM
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Misunderstood the point, thought you where making a point for capitalism. Think we are in agreement then.

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Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.

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Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.



Yeah but that would be too artificial, too pre programmed, too... machiavellistic?


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Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.

And so? What do you think will happen? People stop using Facebook because it's using censorship?  ^^

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Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.

And so? What do you think will happen? People stop using Facebook because it's using censorship?  ^^

People use a lot of platforms not understanding the extent of their privacy being shed away,for example those stupid free app games they download like Angry Birds. Most of the people I run into have no clue that they handed over so much information to the host. So I do think with every issue Facebook has more people will become aware of the issue,what they do after that is up to them as long as they are aware that there are issues.
We could say most of us are on a scale of how much privacy we think is needed,for me its more extreme but for others its the mantra of "Nothing to hide,nothing to worry about"! But I think that is very shortsighted due to changes in political views that may become more restrictive and use the information against the populous.

The issue of more people being banned would create more of a storm in the media as it effects mostly the right in this situation and the blow back may turn into a rallying cry,like a hashtag but the people would also need a alternative.

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Facebook admits rogue employees may have shown bias against conservatives

Social media giant denies ‘systematic’ discrimination



Facebook announced Monday it was sending employees out for retraining and would discontinue some of its practices as it sought to defend itself against charges of political bias against conservatives.

The online giant denied that it’s shown “systematic political bias,” but admitted employees played a bigger role than previously acknowledged in determining what news is highlighted in the trending topics section.

Facebook also acknowledged that rogue employees may have unintentionally discriminated against conservative stories or even acted with malice in “isolated improper actions.”

In one instance Facebook rejected a story this year about the opening of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference — the largest gathering of right-wing activists in the country. Facebook says that was likely because there were already enough stories about the Republican presidential primary. But the company said since it allowed CPAC posts in 2015, and covered other parts of the 2016 conference, there wasn’t any discrimination.

“Our investigation has revealed no evidence of systematic political bias in the selection or prominence of stories included in the Trending Topics feature. In fact, our analysis indicated that the rates of approval of conservative and liberal topics are virtually identical in Trending Topics,” Colin Stretch, the company’s general counsel, said in an extensive reply to Sen. John Thune, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, who is probing the allegations of bias.

Former Facebook employees told Gizmodo earlier this month that they detected bias in the way news was “curated” by the site, with stories on top GOP figures, conservative commentators and right-wing causes getting short shrift.

Conservative groups chimed in, saying they’d also seen evidence that stories about their issues and actions weren’t getting the attention they’d thought warranted. The American Conservative Union, which organizes CPAC, said stories about the conference on Facebook did poorly, even though they did well on other online platforms such as Twitter — suggesting bias.

Facebook said it probed seven separate allegations, including treatment of CPAC, conservative host Glenn Beck, former IRS senior executive Lois G. Lerner, the Drudge Report and others, and concluded there were no substantiated instances of political bias.

Instead, some stories were rejected because the news sources were questionable, or because the topic was already represented, the company said.

It said liberal and conservative topics saw “virtually identical” treatment, while “moderate” topics fared the best because they were “popular across the political spectrum.”

Still, Facebook said it will retrain employees and impose new “controls and oversight” to try to cut down the chances for bias. It is also discontinuing the use of 10 outlets it used to judge stories’ importance — a list that included Fox News, but also included the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, NBC News and BuzzFeed.

Mr. Thune said the review was a good start, and said the fact that the company admitted its limitations — including the larger role employees played — “lends credibility” to the findings.

“Facebook’s description of the methodology it uses for determining the trending content it highlights for users is far different from and more detailed than what it offered prior to our questions,” the South Dakota Republican said. “We now know the system relied on human judgment, and not just an automated process, more than previously acknowledged.”

Democrats had blasted Mr. Thune’s questions to Facebook, saying he was wasting taxpayer money in pursuing the probe.

But with nearly two-thirds of Facebook users saying they get at least some of their news from the online platform, conservatives said any chance of bias could skew political conversations.



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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/27/mark-zuckerberg-is-dictator-of-facebook-nation-the-pirate-bay-founder.html

Mark Zuckerberg is ‘dictator’ of Facebook ‘nation’: The Pirate Bay founder

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Facebook boss Mark Zuckerberg is the "dictator" of "the biggest nation in the world", the co-founder of file sharing site The Pirate Bay, told CNBC on Friday, as he denounced the centralization of power on the internet.
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Speaking during an interview at The Next Web conference in Amsterdam, Peter Sunde said that there is "no democracy" online.

"People in the tech industry have a lot of responsibilities but they never really discuss these things ... Facebook is the biggest nation in the world and we have a dictator, if you look at it from a democracy standpoint, Mark Zuckerberg is a dictator. I did not elect him. He sets the rules," Sunde told CNBC.

"And really you can't opt out of Facebook. I'm not on Facebook but there are a lot of drawbacks in my offline world. No party invitations, no updates from my friends, people stop talking to you, because you're not on Facebook. So it has real life implications."

Facebook declined to comment when contacted by CNBC. The social network has 1.6 billion users on its platform.
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Sunde is a left-winger best known for co-founding The Pirate Bay, the notorious file sharing site which landed him in jail in 2014 for which he served a five month sentence. His other co-founders were all found guilty of copyright infringements.

To demonstrate his point, Sunde cited the example of when German Chancellor Angela Merkel was overheard at a United Nations meeting confronting Zuckerberg about anti-immigration posts on Facebook.

"That's kind of what it comes to. We send major leaders of Europe to ask him to stop interfering with our local culture. How did we end up in a situation like this?," Sunde said.

"If politicians were a little bit more hard-core and actually believe in this they would be able to fix it. If we say Facebook doesn't agree with our rules in our country we are going to stop Facebook in our country. We censor a lot of things, why not censor Facebook?," he added.
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Sunde also decried the technology world's lack of perspective. He denounced Facebook's policy requiring people to use their real name, as in some countries, this can get people persecuted and makes it hard to organize political movements.

"Mark Zuckerberg is a rich white dude from a really privileged background," Sunde said, explaining why he thinks the Facebook boss doesn't understand cultural differences.

"The reason for the real name policy is Mark Zuckerberg wants to make another dollar."
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Still, Facebook has been working to reassure its users about privacy. It released a new privacy policy last year that made it easier for people to decide which posts are public or private. And WhatsApp, which Facebook owns, recently introduced full encryption.

Zuckerberg has also shared his own thoughts on privacy. In Apple's recent tussle with the FBI over unlocking an iPhone that belonged to one of the San Bernardino shooters, Zuckerberg said he is "sympathetic" to Apple. The iPhone maker refused to help authorities unlock the phone.

Facebook is also working on ways to let users customize what they see in the app, giving them ultimately more control.

It is amazing how staying off facebook does cost you in a few aspects,I am sure that employers look and wonder why this guy is not to be found online,what is he hiding!
Or I have some family members I never met in real life that started to contact me but wanted me to join facebook.
I refused and the emails thinned out,which is to bad but they where the young ones in the family that never met me.
The dynamice that facebook is creating online does not matter if they think they have our best interests anymore,they are going to start stepping on people for the greater good.

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