Antminer S9 sold on miningsweden is a fraud

[Gunthar]

Beware of this fraud (or attempt to collect users money to face up the "future" buy order) https://www.miningsweden.se/product/mining-shares-200-gh-s9-antminers/

Actually there is no ETA from BitMain for the S9 release to public.
This is from a skype conversation with BITMAIN_Lunna (btct) aka Idzly (BITMAINTALK)

maggio 2016
[16:21:12] Gun: hey Dan, is this real? https://www.miningsweden.se/product/mining-sweden-s9-2000gh-shares-ms9-pre-sales/
 sabato 14 maggio 2016
[08:04:33] 薄荷凉幼: NO , we even don’t have S9 Antminer , so it is fraud .
[08:11:11] 薄荷凉幼: We indeed will push S9 into public , but our Miners are not coming so quickly , there is no way S9 cloud mining can coming before antminers , because the cloud mining is based on real antminers

[BITMAIN_Lunna]

thanks for your information !!

[laowzE]

thanks for your information !!

Can you speak to Sharif of Bitmain sales in Beijing for this?

"2016-05-11 00:52:07
Hi ,

thank you for your message.

New miner will be S9, it will be launched in 10 days, please check our main webpage for updates.

Best Regards,
Sharif
Sales and Business Development,
Mobile: +86 13264017056
"One small machine is changing the World" "

[fanatic26]

So they have a PREORDER up and there is a disclaimer that they wont start mining till the s9s are released and are hashing in their datacenter.

Where exactly is the fraud?

[adaseb]

Its not a fraud, that woman at Bitmain probably wasn't informed about MiningSweden and then the OP freaked out.

[notlist3d]

Its not a fraud, that woman at Bitmain probably wasn't informed about MiningSweden and then the OP freaked out.

Its scammy though on MinningSweden side "We have now information about that the new S9 miner soon will come out on the market so now you can preorder your mining shares with the new S9 Miners."

So they don't tell a timeline ... just that your buying "2000 GH S9 Mining including all costs for 12 months." So they are selling these "shares" banking they will make money with no stat date "This product doesn’t start mining before we have them in the farm".  It's kinda scammy to say the least.   

[adaseb]

Its not a fraud, that woman at Bitmain probably wasn't informed about MiningSweden and then the OP freaked out.

Its scammy though on MinningSweden side "We have now information about that the new S9 miner soon will come out on the market so now you can preorder your mining shares with the new S9 Miners."

So they don't tell a timeline ... just that your buying "2000 GH S9 Mining including all costs for 12 months." So they are selling these "shares" banking they will make money with no stat date "This product doesn’t start mining before we have them in the farm".  It's kinda scammy to say the least.   

In the past they did that to the S7 and it wasn't a scam.

[notlist3d]

Its not a fraud, that woman at Bitmain probably wasn't informed about MiningSweden and then the OP freaked out.

Its scammy though on MinningSweden side "We have now information about that the new S9 miner soon will come out on the market so now you can preorder your mining shares with the new S9 Miners."

So they don't tell a timeline ... just that your buying "2000 GH S9 Mining including all costs for 12 months." So they are selling these "shares" banking they will make money with no stat date "This product doesn’t start mining before we have them in the farm".  It's kinda scammy to say the least.  

In the past they did that to the S7 and it wasn't a scam.

It is scammy to list a pre-order like that and not to list something like pre-order in title of product on site in my opinion.  I'm not saying they will not provide it eventually.  But they have no clue with the ""This product doesn’t start mining before we have them in the farm"

They are listing a product they know will hit market eventually.   But I don't think anyone has a confirmed sale from bitmain.  You have an official bitmain response above... so sounds like MinningSweden does not have them on order.  

[Gunthar]

Its not a fraud, that woman at Bitmain probably wasn't informed about MiningSweden and then the OP freaked out.

Its scammy though on MinningSweden side "We have now information about that the new S9 miner soon will come out on the market so now you can preorder your mining shares with the new S9 Miners."

So they don't tell a timeline ... just that your buying "2000 GH S9 Mining including all costs for 12 months." So they are selling these "shares" banking they will make money with no stat date "This product doesn’t start mining before we have them in the farm".  It's kinda scammy to say the least.  

In the past they did that to the S7 and it wasn't a scam.

It is scammy to list a pre-order like that and not to list something like pre-order in title of product on site in my opinion.  I'm not saying they will not provide it eventually.  But they have no clue with the ""This product doesn’t start mining before we have them in the farm"

They are listing a product they know will hit market eventually.   But I don't think anyone has a confirmed sale from bitmain.  You have an official bitmain response above... so sounds like MinningSweden does not have them on order.  

BITMAIN will hit the market with S9 eventually but also with S10 and S11 etc. Should i start to collect money as a "preorder" for S10? (sarcasm)

[Tupsu]

Hashnest did the same with S7 sales.

They are sold S7  preorders. S7 shop was open and  Sales started September 09, 2015 , but they won't start hashing for up to a month.

At the same time,  S7 was not yet available from Bitmain website.

When Bitmain start S7 sales, were magically sold out  all Hashnest S7 preorders with minute .

And nobody said that it is wrong.

BITMAIN will hit the market with S9 eventually but also with S10 and S11 etc. Should i start to collect money as a "preorder" for S10? (sarcasm)

You could do more to live your life and not worry about the others . Do not you believe every little nut in bitmaini machine. They do not have all the information.

"2016-05-11 00:52:07
Hi ,

thank you for your message.

New miner will be S9, it will be launched in 10 days, please check our main webpage for updates.

Best Regards,
Sharif
Sales and Business Development,
Mobile: +86 13264017056
"One small machine is changing the World" "

The truth is somewhere in the middle. S9 is coming soon. Whether 10 or 20 days, does not matter.

[Tupsu]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. S9 is coming soon. Whether 10 or 20 days, does not matter.

Exactly as I predicted 14 days ago.

We are happy to announce the long-awaited release of the Antminer S9. It’s the world’s first commercially available bitcoin miner based on a 16nm process chip and, delivering 0.1J/GHs*, it is currently the most efficient bitcoin miner in existence.
 .............

[jackg]

No need to freak out about this!
It has been previously announced that MiningSweden.se and Bitmain have a commercial relationship.
The CEO of Bitmain probably gave them information on the miner and preorders for them to test before the actual product is released.
Why is it assumed when miners are not released to the public that it is scam?

[Unacceptable]

No need to freak out about this!
It has been previously announced that MiningSweden.se and Bitmain have a commercial relationship.
The CEO of Bitmain probably gave them information on the miner and preorders for them to test before the actual product is released.
Why is it assumed when miners are not released to the public that it is scam?

Because it HAS happened in the past 3 years MANY MANY times 

[Sitarow]

No need to freak out about this!
It has been previously announced that MiningSweden.se and Bitmain have a commercial relationship.
The CEO of Bitmain probably gave them information on the miner and preorders for them to test before the actual product is released.
Why is it assumed when miners are not released to the public that it is scam?

Because it HAS happened in the past 3 years MANY MANY times 

Exactly.

[Unacceptable]

No need to freak out about this!
It has been previously announced that MiningSweden.se and Bitmain have a commercial relationship.
The CEO of Bitmain probably gave them information on the miner and preorders for them to test before the actual product is released.
Why is it assumed when miners are not released to the public that it is scam?

Because it HAS happened in the past 3 years MANY MANY times  

Exactly.

                     

[jackg]

No need to freak out about this!
It has been previously announced that MiningSweden.se and Bitmain have a commercial relationship.
The CEO of Bitmain probably gave them information on the miner and preorders for them to test before the actual product is released.
Why is it assumed when miners are not released to the public that it is scam?

Because it HAS happened in the past 3 years MANY MANY times 

Exactly.

Wasn't this one of the few mining companies that was offeing for some peopleto see their CEO and view their datacentre in order to get more information?
If some people know the CEO and the company goes into scamming people, itwould be hard for him to hide.
There is no reason to panic as miningswededn has been considered a reputable company for over 6 months so there is little reason for them to scam now.

[Erumara]

No need to freak out about this!
It has been previously announced that MiningSweden.se and Bitmain have a commercial relationship.
The CEO of Bitmain probably gave them information on the miner and preorders for them to test before the actual product is released.
Why is it assumed when miners are not released to the public that it is scam?

Because it HAS happened in the past 3 years MANY MANY times 

Exactly.

Wasn't this one of the few mining companies that was offeing for some peopleto see their CEO and view their datacentre in order to get more information?
If some people know the CEO and the company goes into scamming people, itwould be hard for him to hide.
There is no reason to panic as miningswededn has been considered a reputable company for over 6 months so there is little reason for them to scam now.

6 months you say? inb4 their post-halving "oops we messed up" exit strategy.

[techgeek]

If people are that lazy to not check the main website not knowing if they are selling and being caught into a fraud then I dont know what to say lol.

It takes 5 seconds to go on bitmains homepage to see if they are even out? like wtf? lol. Pre-order in general is always bad btw.

[Gunthar]

So im locking this thread as S9 are out.
Miningsweden just attempted to crowfund, in my opinion it is a bit shady way...
Happy 14/16 nm mining to all!
~Gun