Them BFL Cowboys

[greyhawk]

That's been happening every few hours since the weekend. I wonder what kind of package deal they made with cloudflare. Cloudflare is usually much more stable.

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[DontMineMe]

Rough week for BFL. Testing rig problems, web site down and no customers' update. Can't be good for business! Customers are losing thier patience while Avalon is delivering Thier products on a daily basis. I hope this is not a sign for what to come!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Surely, they're not planning on playing the Hacked card.

Good news, and some not too good news. First the good news: The units are almost ready to be shipped, albeit a tad late, but you'll be pleasantly surprised with their performance.

Now the not too good news, which isn't as bad as our competition's lack of communication, or like being stuck in some muck a hundred feet below street level.

You've probably notice that as of late our sites have been going offline quite frequently. The causes were due to DDoS attacts by unknowns, but we're pretty sure we know who in China is behind it. Long story short, we got hacked last night. To be clear, none of our assets were stolen, which is a tremendous blessing. Thank you, Zeus.

But, and I say this with much regret, all the ordering information is now missing. What does this mean? Well, in layman's terms, all the ordering information is now missing.

You're probably now asking yourself why we didn't have backups. Honest Abe, that is what we were exactly doing late last night, but it was during another DDoS attact that sidetracked us, when the files were deleted.

We're pretty sure there wasn't enough time for the hackers to save the files before deleting them, but to be on the safe side we are asking all users to log in and change their passwords when we get back online, hopefully within the next 48 hours.

As always, I'll be providing regular updates as they become available.

The following is our projected timeline to resolve this issue:

First 24 Hours:

• Post this good news, not so good news post.
• Take a break.
• After eating pizza, me and the engineers descend to the lab like a swarm of locus.
• Take pictures of idle equipment.
• Point fingers at the problem, making sure no mirrors are present.

Final 24 Hours:

• Post that no updates are available.
• Enjoy second anniversary party, eating chicken and Raspberry Pi.

As you well enough know from past hacks, though ours is in no way that severe, it'll take time to reconstruct all the ordering information, but with the help of BitPay's records, the task at hand shouldn't take too long.

Our biggest concern is that somebody doesn't receive a 1,500 GH/S BITCOIN MINER when, in fact, they only ordered a coffee warmer.

In closing, BFL sincerely apologizes for this delay, and there was no way to prepare for it short of backing up our systems of which I've proven we were in the process of doing prior to the deleting of files by them sorry ass HACKERS.

BFL_Just Joshin'

[juggalodarkclow]

Are Josh, Sonny & Luke Jr. already in Mexico? Or the Cayman Islands? Or are the unbelievers starting to gain the upper hand in BFL forums lala land?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/

I just went to the site and it's back up now

[ninjarobot]

Surely, they're not planning on playing the Hacked card.

Chen Jianhai did it.

[Cluster2k]

The lack of progress updates from BFL is a little concerning.  They've had three full working days to test their chips since the last update. 

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html

No news is usually bad news in terms of delays. 

[Frankie Delaney]

The lack of progress updates from BFL is a little concerning.  They've had three full working days to test their chips since the last update. 

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html

No news is usually bad news in terms of delays. 

We got an update. the jist of it is that it's possible they might have a working test unit by the middle of next week. Might just be a cruel april fools joke on josh's part.

[Frizz23]

The lack of progress updates from BFL is a little concerning.  They've had three full working days to test their chips since the last update. 

Three weeks is not too bad for testing and tweaking. It's just: You usually do this before you go into mass production. And before you advertise your product as "available".

[Logik]

(From Twitter BFL_News) Well, some good news. They think they've found the problem with the test rig (...) new hardware for the test rig and that should get us what we need by early to mid next week.

[Frizz23]

lmftfy:

"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

[cedivad]

They are seriously claiming the ddos to be coming from china? God... What a scam. What a scam!

[PuertoLibre]

? DDos from China?

[greyhawk]

lmftfy:

"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

I love that quote. Yes, Josh, designing an ASIC is hard. We knew that, which is exactly why we kept laughing at your utopian time estimates. The ones that absolutely clearly spelled out "we have no idea what we are doing."

[mobodick]

lmftfy:

"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

lmftfy:

"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

How did the production projection go down from 500 a day to 300 units per day?

Dear ShadowOfHarbringer,

Usually I don't respond to unfriendly posts, but maybe this one needs a bit of addressing. We've had the honor of having Sonny in our corporation
for the past year. He is a bright and honorable person who had come face to face with strong forces behind the scenes without knowing. Many movies
have been made to try and demonstrate how governments and lobbying powers operate. They can kill, sabotage, prosecute or pretty much do anything
they desire without consequences as they have the power, money and weapons to make their point.

The United States Government does not recognize international bounderies when it comes to its interests and demands. The attack on the PirateBay
servers in Sweden is a good instance. Should the owners of PirateBay been Americans, I'm sure they'd already been serving for life in some prison in USA,
under charges of money-laundry, tax evasion (ads on the site), child pornography and so on and so forth. It's easy to hurt people who are powerless.
Even in France this may happen, eventhough on a much smaller scale ( I can't recall any at this point ).

Regarding whether we are a scam or not, the several thousand shipped units can speak for itself. We've used the experience gained in mass production
of our singles in our SC production cycle (we've got a MyData Pick-And-Place and an Oven for high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly). Someone
mentioned the backlog is already 5,000. On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public. 5,000 units is not much
compared to orders we expect to receive after SC release, so we're very ready for it.

I hope this message has addressed some of your questions.


Regards,
Nasser

[Frizz23]

If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

Albert Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."  

[mobodick]

If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

Albert Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."  

I do not trust BFL to know how to be properly insane tho..
Being deceitfull is just so much easier.

[mobodick]

lmftfy:

"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

How did the production projection go down from 500 a day to 300 units per day?

Well, they got some realistic prognoses from Avalon so they had to tone their figures down a bit.

[Entropy-uc]

How did the production projection go down from 500 a day to 300 units per day?

Regarding whether we are a scam or not, the several thousand shipped units can speak for itself. We've used the experience gained in mass production
of our singles in our SC production cycle (we've got a MyData Pick-And-Place and an Oven for high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly). Someone
mentioned the backlog is already 5,000. On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public. 5,000 units is not much
compared to orders we expect to receive after SC release, so we're very ready for it.

I hope this message has addressed some of your questions.


Regards,
Nasser

What is Nasser's full name?

LOL.  He is calling the gear Kano photographed "high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly".  LMAO.  

Notice he carefully he says nothing.

"Someone mentioned the backlog is already 5,000"  - he isn't saying what the backlog actually is, he's just citing 'someone'.  Maybe it's 50,000.  He doesn't commit himself to anything.  Probably they don't even know since their order system is such a disaster.

"On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public."

Again, notice that 500 / day is a for instance, not a statement of what they can do.

These guys are so full of crap.  Tomorrow they are going to desperately try to stem the tide of refund requests before they go bankrupt.  I suggest anyone who can think for themselves consider if they want to try to get their money back before or after insolvency.

[veryveryinteresting]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.