Gianluca95 is spamming

[tomcat1122]

Gianluca95 got a short time ban for spamming the crap out of our beloved community

He even got the nerves to make a whining complaint to the admins and asked for exceptions from the rules

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1476813.0

He thinks it is very very important that he can continue to manage 4 shit campaigns and thereby secure a steady flow of spam to the community

He closed the thread because he did not like the critique about his shit spamming

This thread is dedicated to Gianluca95 "reputation"

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[hopenotlate]

Why didn't you posted this with your main account instead of creating a new one?

Don't know what happened with the other user but first thing that comes to my miind about your move is that you are just making a try to ruin his reputation and trying to replace him in running those services.

Also don't think "trading discussion" is the right section to post this crappy things.

[yahoo62278]

Just for clarification the OP is not me here

[Evildrum]

Posting under a new account just takes away all aspects you present because you are unwilling to stand behind your real account.
Right or wrong its more a issue to me that you think that doing so would fly.

[KenR]

Posting under a new account just takes away all aspects you present because you are unwilling to stand behind your real account.
Right or wrong its more a issue to me that you think that doing so would fly.

It doesn't matter what account is.More importantly,the point being conveyed should.I think its completely fine to create a new account if you're too bothered about your reputation or any other aspects that are keeping you off from posting through the main account.People are more concerned about what the problem is rather than who the person is.As long you have proofs to base your opinions and desire to fight the case I think its fine.Agree there are troll's who bring up crap against people but you know that's never taken too seriously.

[Evildrum]

Posting under a new account just takes away all aspects you present because you are unwilling to stand behind your real account.
Right or wrong its more a issue to me that you think that doing so would fly.

It doesn't matter what account is.More importantly,the point being conveyed should.I think its completely fine to create a new account if you're too bothered about your reputation or any other aspects that are keeping you off from posting through the main account.People are more concerned about what the problem is rather than who the person is.As long you have proofs to base your opinions and desire to fight the case I think its fine.Agree there are troll's who bring up crap against people but you know that's never taken too seriously.

Disagree. If some one is going to slander or make a accusation it should be from their main account as then we can judge the accuser and the weight of the accusation more clearly. If you where accused would you rather not face the person or just have this unknown person accuse you of wrongs?
When you weigh a discussion you should take all factors into play. Knowing the person has past history of vague/false accusations would sway the discussion for sure. We are not able to judge his trust or character. The accuser should be held to the same flame otherwise the accusation for me is a wash.

It reads like some one is worried their argument is thin or they have a axe to grind. Like I stated it weakens the argument,so why would they choose that route knowing that to begin with!

[Cereberus]

Why don't the one's paying him for doing the work for all those campaigns just with hold payment from him and just fire him for not abiding the rules of the forum?

[Lutpin]

Just for clarification the OP is not me here

Oh, we have to do that now? Well, it's me neither.
I might agree with OP, but would have to have a closer look at Gianluca95s post history.
(One thing I can say for sure: His alt is spammy for sure.)

Why don't the one's paying him for doing the work for all those campaigns just with hold payment from him and just fire him for not abiding the rules of the forum?

Possibly because they don't care. But we will see how the campaigns under his management continue.

As long you have proofs to base your opinions and desire to fight the case I think its fine.

That would have been nice, though.
A few examples from their post history to underline the argument made by OP.
(And yes, you could take being banned for spamming as proof enough, but having examples is always better.)

Disagree. If some one is going to slander or make a accusation it should be from their main account as then we can judge the accuser and the weight of the accusation more clearly. If you where accused would you rather not face the person or just have this unknown person accuse you of wrongs?

From having faced a [farfetched] similar situation (for those who want to look it up, MisterMiyagi about mexxers/my position on DT2), I can say it doesn't really make that big a difference.
Although I found out about the person behind the account at one point, which was relieving to know (the situation cleared up at that point anyway).

[KenR]

Disagree. If some one is going to slander or make a accusation it should be from their main account as then we can judge the accuser and the weight of the accusation more clearly.

So you mean,an accusation made by a DT member has more weight over an accusation made by a newbie account ? Sounds illogical to me.I think the base of the accusation decides how weighted it is regardless of its creator.

If you where accused would you rather not face the person or just have this unknown person accuse you of wrongs?

I would love to face the real person but if he is hinting at the right directions which do sound true to me or he has proved that I'm wrongful of my things ,then its perfectly fine to face him anonymously.Again,it doesn't matter who the person is ,he proved I have done wrong matters.

When you weigh a discussion you should take all factors into play. Knowing the person has past history of vague/false accusations would sway the discussion for sure. We are not able to judge his trust or character. The accuser should be held to the same flame otherwise the accusation for me is a wash.

Maybe you can weigh the discussion based on people's personality or character ,I don't.If the point being made is correct,it qualifies for the rightful.To extend your opinion further ,if a thief ever makes a case that he is being raped guess what you will never believe him right ? Just because he is a thief,he has a bad history and his opinions shouldn't be valued.Makes sense?

[Evildrum]

Of course a member that has been here for a long time with a good track record is going to have more sway than a new member throwing a accusation around.
For one,you have a long history to judge that persons track record,as opposed to anyone being behind a new account. Its a factor,not every aspect I take into the soup when I look at issue.
You make it seem like I am basing all judgement on this aspect,what I am saying is I do not respect a person that needs to hide,its cowardly and sleazy tactic to drive home your issues. I look at the evidence but lets take a look at this more clearly if we want to attack this person and not the OP.

There is already a thread in meta where the accused was asking for clarification and was told he was wrong and he seems to have got the point.
Opening a accusation thread well he is banned and can not represent himself does what for the forum? It looks like a witchhunt rather than a thread for the accused to come in and give his reasoning for his actions.

So a unknown with a agenda,trying to accuse a member that has no voice due to being banned. Is this the kind of behavior we want to allow?

@ Luptin

I followed that issue as well and it had all kinds of issues connected to it,like the use of sock puppets. Knowing you went through a pretty good fight over that I appreciate your view on the issue. But in the court of law most people get to face their accuser and you knowing also relieves a bit of that unknown aspect as well.

If you guys are cool with it that is fine,I am not cool with it and will attack it when I see it.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

I did question him and his position as a campaign manager when it appeared as if english wan not his main language, his ban was a long time coming

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Posting under a new account just takes away all aspects you present because you are unwilling to stand behind your real account.
Right or wrong its more a issue to me that you think that doing so would fly.

It doesn't matter what account is.More importantly,the point being conveyed should.I think its completely fine to create a new account if you're too bothered about your reputation or any other aspects that are keeping you off from posting through the main account.People are more concerned about what the problem is rather than who the person is.As long you have proofs to base your opinions and desire to fight the case I think its fine.Agree there are troll's who bring up crap against people but you know that's never taken too seriously.

It totally matters.  If you're going to accuse someone of something, I want to know who's accusing.   And so does the accused.  Especially in silly bullshit like this.

[KenR]

It totally matters.  If you're going to accuse someone of something, I want to know who's accusing.   And so does the accused.  Especially in silly bullshit like this.

How does that matter,mate ? Don't you think the point being made has more weight rather than the person behind it ? Anonymity is much appreciated on the internet.

[Evildrum]

It totally matters.  If you're going to accuse someone of something, I want to know who's accusing.   And so does the accused.  Especially in silly bullshit like this.

How does that matter,mate ? Don't you think the point being made has more weight rather than the person behind it ? Anonymity is much appreciated on the internet.

So you support the OP creating this thread well the person is banned and unable to speak for his side of the issue?

Anon is something most of us like about bitcoin but the part you miss is he accusing a member of wrong. Its either legit or a smear campaign and if its the latter he could do it over and over with no problems. Say he includes the OPs personal information are we still holding to the anon factor. Seems to be a double standard and in the real world you get to face your accuser. There is a reason for this.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It totally matters.  If you're going to accuse someone of something, I want to know who's accusing.   And so does the accused.  Especially in silly bullshit like this.

How does that matter,mate ? Don't you think the point being made has more weight rather than the person behind it ? Anonymity is much appreciated on the internet.

It's not the only thing that matters, but I'd say it matters.  And I think one should definitely have to sacrifice that extra bit of anonymity when accusations are made.  Be a man.  Posting from a primary account isn't exactly like doxxing yourself.  Just my opinion.

[target]

Must be a bad day for Gianluca95.
I haven't been with his campaigns ever but sure thing he has good reputation when it comes to managing campaigns.  Sure thing its important for him to perform well as he is paid to do it.
He can reason out to the Mods but I'm not sure if they will make considerations.  5 Days is going to be forever. 

[Your Point Is Invalid]

It totally matters.  If you're going to accuse someone of something, I want to know who's accusing.   And so does the accused.  Especially in silly bullshit like this.

How does that matter,mate ? Don't you think the point being made has more weight rather than the person behind it ? Anonymity is much appreciated on the internet.

So you support the OP creating this thread well the person is banned and unable to speak for his side of the issue?

Anon is something most of us like about bitcoin but the part you miss is he accusing a member of wrong. Its either legit or a smear campaign and if its the latter he could do it over and over with no problems. Say he includes the OPs personal information are we still holding to the anon factor. Seems to be a double standard and in the real world you get to face your accuser. There is a reason for this.

What?
Didnt get any of that sorry

[Evildrum]

It totally matters.  If you're going to accuse someone of something, I want to know who's accusing.   And so does the accused.  Especially in silly bullshit like this.

How does that matter,mate ? Don't you think the point being made has more weight rather than the person behind it ? Anonymity is much appreciated on the internet.

So you support the OP creating this thread well the person is banned and unable to speak for his side of the issue?

Anon is something most of us like about bitcoin but the part you miss is he accusing a member of wrong. Its either legit or a smear campaign and if its the latter he could do it over and over with no problems. Say he includes the OPs personal information are we still holding to the anon factor. Seems to be a double standard and in the real world you get to face your accuser. There is a reason for this.

What?
Didnt get any of that sorry

The person that this thread is about is currently banned for spam. Therefore the point I am making is its a real cowardly thing to hide behind a new account and use his ban against him,knowing he can not represent himself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1476813.0

The above is the thread where he is told not to push it and this thread showed up not long after that.

So my point was about cowards hiding behind a new account and expecting judgement,when they can not show the decency of unmasking themselves in a way that would reflect on their trust.
End of the day this is a smear thread as the issue has already been addressed and the accused will learn from it or he wont. Judging them now is pointless and not giving them the chance to right their actions.
The anon aspect was in reference to the reasoning KenR was giving about that overriding the point.

@ YPII
Think I made that post on my cell and that is the reason I ended every thing with a period.
Hope that clears the issue up for you.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

Its pretty shallow to focus on who is making the report from what account and not facing the matter at hand. A campaign manager who's main job is to catch spammers was banned for spamming himself, why dont we focus on that? Do you think we should wait untill the ban is finished to hold a proper discussion?

[Evildrum]

As I stated already and showed in the link the discussion has been had,any farther accusations are for what benefit?
Till he comes back we really do not know the extent of the fall out and its not shallow reasoning to state such.

If you had something to go on that was a extension of the issue,by all means lets read it.
Was just stating my issue with it,not trying to close discussion.