Bitmain Antminer S9

[philipma1957]

The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs

Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher

Come mid July after halving that won't be the case.

to think that they think (as the OP says) that we are all stupid and don't know about halving would be a bit too much.

it will be close to 7btc like I said   it won't be 3.3btc.

And if bitfury decides to knock heads with them bitmaintech will lower the price and crush them in a price war.

As for a premium price 7btc is not premium  10 btc is premium.

the math for it at 7btc works if your power is 5 cents.  

my assumption would be 5 cent power with coins at 500 and 3% diff jumps. it breaks even in about a year

[Biodom]

The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs

Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher

Come mid July after halving that won't be the case.

to think that they think (as the OP says) that we are all stupid and don't know about halving would be a bit too much.

it will be close to 7btc like I said   it won't be 3.3btc.

And if bitfury decides to knock heads with them bitmaintech will lower the price and crush them in a price war.

As for a premium price 7btc is not premium  10 btc is premium.

the math for it at 7btc works if your power is 5 cents.  

my assumption would be 5 cent power with coins at 450

no way it works for 7btc for 14th with coin at $450, not even close.
Please recheck your math.
I used vnbitcoin calculator, then adjusted for halving manually using 1600w.
I get $585 revenue until July 15, then it swithes to $7/day minus $2 for power (I used 5c), so you will start with $5/day revenue on July 10-15.
The remainder is $2565, so IF btc stays the same and difficulty does not rise, you will breakeven in 2565/5=513 days.
I don't care what they ask; If btc needs to rise to breakeven, then I don't need bitmain-I can buy coin and go long.

[philipma1957]

The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs

Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher

Come mid July after halving that won't be the case.

to think that they think (as the OP says) that we are all stupid and don't know about halving would be a bit too much.

it will be close to 7btc like I said   it won't be 3.3btc.

And if bitfury decides to knock heads with them bitmaintech will lower the price and crush them in a price war.

As for a premium price 7btc is not premium  10 btc is premium.

the math for it at 7btc works if your power is 5 cents.  

my assumption would be 5 cent power with coins at 450

no way it works for 7btc for 14th with coin at $450, not even close.
Please recheck your math.
I used vnbitcoin calculator, then adjusted for halving manually
I get $585 revenue until July 15, then it swithes to $7/day minus $2 for power (I used 5c), so you will start with $5/day revenue on July 10-15.
The remainder is $2565, so IF btc stays the same and difficulty does not rise, you will breakeven in 2565/5=513 days.
I don't care what they ask.

I did and changed to 500 from 450.

Knowing them  they won't price at 3.3  and 7 is high as a 500 usd price with 4 cent power and 3% jumps would be needed to break even.

They may do 6.5 btc or maybe 6 btc.  I can not see them going lower then that price.

lets say they do 4 btc (which they won't) if you have 5 cent power  3% jumps and  450 btc you roi in 200 days they will not do that.

as other farms will buy and jump diff too fast they rather sell slower.

so say 5 btc  you roi in 260 days with 450 coin 3% jumps and 5 cent power.

so at 5 btc   with 5 cent power it could work for a buyer.


Since I have the solar array I could do  one or two to 2x my hash power.

[ps_jb]

If the price is out of balance, who would pay it?
I will rather pay it to myself, then get it in 3 mo for less than half the price.
Or I would go to Microcenter tomorrow and get GTX 1080 instead for just $599.

Because you are matured and smart

15yo from BTM cloud mining will spend all money to buy virtual GHs for any money

And I'm 99.9% sure - right now exactly they are selling S7 hashes

[alh]

I expect the S9 will sell for a "premium" at the outset. I don't know if that is $3500 or $4000. It doesn't really matter because they just look at the demand (i.e. how quickly they sell), and adjust the price after 10 days or so. Once the details of the machine are done, the price is the easiest thing to change. Sell S9's to all those that will pay $4000, and then see who will pay $3500. They did this with the S7 and they'll do it again. If they actually have some competition, then they'll adjust price down sooner.

Rinse and repeat......

[not.you]

Based on the fact that antpool hashrate seems to have slowed a bit I am thinking the S9 is going to use more watts than S7.  I suspect they are having to rewire their farm to accommodate and that's why their hash is down a little.  Selling S7's but not able to bring the S9 replacements fully online.  I actually hope I am wrong, the S7 already pushes the limits on what you can run in a normally wired building. If they continue requiring more power for their miners it will basically be datacenter only at some point.

[philipma1957]

Based on the fact that antpool hashrate seems to have slowed a bit I am thinking the S9 is going to use more watts than S7.  I suspect they are having to rewire their farm to accommodate and that's why their hash is down a little.  Selling S7's but not able to bring the S9 replacements fully online.  I actually hope I am wrong, the S7 already pushes the limits on what you can run in a normally wired building. If they continue requiring more power for their miners it will basically be datacenter only at some point.

This may end all 120 volt mining if you are correct.

A 2000 watt 240 volt psu may be needed.

[Biodom]

I expect the S9 will sell for a "premium" at the outset. I don't know if that is $3500 or $4000. It doesn't really matter because they just look at the demand (i.e. how quickly they sell), and adjust the price after 10 days or so. Once the details of the machine are done, the price is the easiest thing to change. Sell S9's to all those that will pay $4000, and then see who will pay $3500. They did this with the S7 and they'll do it again. If they actually have some competition, then they'll adjust price down sooner.

Rinse and repeat......

Fine, as long as you agree that your purported numbers have NOTHING to do with economic reality as it exists today.
As far as i can see most people on this board either have no interest in a miner, so just pull numbers out of thin air, or fully acquiesce to such bloated expectations without pressing their case.
I prefer a different approach.

[Biodom]

Based on the fact that antpool hashrate seems to have slowed a bit I am thinking the S9 is going to use more watts than S7.  I suspect they are having to rewire their farm to accommodate and that's why their hash is down a little.  Selling S7's but not able to bring the S9 replacements fully online.  I actually hope I am wrong, the S7 already pushes the limits on what you can run in a normally wired building. If they continue requiring more power for their miners it will basically be datacenter only at some point.

This may end all 120 volt mining if you are correct.

A 2000 watt 240 volt psu may be needed.

That was the path that Spondoolies took. It did not end up well.

[philipma1957]

Based on the fact that antpool hashrate seems to have slowed a bit I am thinking the S9 is going to use more watts than S7.  I suspect they are having to rewire their farm to accommodate and that's why their hash is down a little.  Selling S7's but not able to bring the S9 replacements fully online.  I actually hope I am wrong, the S7 already pushes the limits on what you can run in a normally wired building. If they continue requiring more power for their miners it will basically be datacenter only at some point.

This may end all 120 volt mining if you are correct.

A 2000 watt 240 volt psu may be needed.

That was the path that Spondoolies took. It did not end up well.

Frankly the track record on first units is over priced,  But the ½ ing is getting closer.

My Eth coin rigs are whaling like a mofo. I am approaching roi on them faster then I thought I would.

I really have to question if bitmaintech  will look at the prices and go low price  but small  amount to sell on this s-9.

the solar array has some 20 amp 240 volt circuits.  I have 2880 watt psu's 4000 watt psu's 2980 watt psus so I can supply the power these units need.

I would love to see 5 btc or lower shipped to my house.

[mavericklm]

they got too many s7 to sell you the s9

[Sierra8561]

Another s7 model is out.
ANTMINER S7 BATCH 18 with 2 fans - Shipped out from June 2nd. https://enshop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201605290908457178P0E046905D2

[Sierra8561]

I visited the link below a couple weeks ago and it showed out of stock. It now says in stock. http://ugeekstore.com/product/antminer-s7-newest-batch-94

The link says s7, but the page says s9

[alh]

I visited the link below a couple weeks ago and it showed out of stock. It now says in stock. http://ugeekstore.com/product/antminer-s7-newest-batch-94

The link says s7, but the page says s9

Well, if you have $2200, maybe you can get an estimated ship date and actual specifications.

[ps_jb]

I visited the link below a couple weeks ago and it showed out of stock. It now says in stock. http://ugeekstore.com/product/antminer-s7-newest-batch-94

The link says s7, but the page says s9

S7 is out - at least on the page from my account

https://www.hashnest.com/hash_currencies/25/shop

Price on cloud hashes on rise again - but that probably related to BTC rally

Hopefully next week we will see S9

[malickie]

Not sure I would bother with halving so close to happening and how long shipping would take.  But yeah it's here and on Bitmains site.  It is using the new 16nm chipset though so it is their next gen.  Oh yeah almost forgot the price.  Price: 2100 USD or 3.92 BTC

ANTMINER S9 First Batch - Shipping starts from 12 June

S9 Specifications:

1. Hash Rate: 14.0TH/s ±5%

2. Power Consumption: 1375W + 7% (at the wall, with APW3 ,93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)

3. Power Efficiency: 0.098 J/GH + 7%(at the wall, with APW3 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp)

4. Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V

5. Chip quantity per unit: 189x BM1387

6. Dimensions: 350mm(L)*135mm(W)*158mm(H)

7. Cooling: 2x 12038 fan

8. Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C

9. Network Connection: Ethernet

10. Default Frequency: 650M

[socks435]

Not sure I would bother with halving so close to happening and how long shipping would take.  But yeah it's here and on Bitmains site.  It is using the new 16nm chipset though so it is their next gen.  Oh yeah almost forgot the price.  Price: 2100 USD or 3.92 BTC

ANTMINER S9 First Batch - Shipping starts from 12 June

S9 Specifications:

1. Hash Rate: 14.0TH/s ±5%

2. Power Consumption: 1375W + 7% (at the wall, with APW3 ,93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)

3. Power Efficiency: 0.098 J/GH + 7%(at the wall, with APW3 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp)

4. Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V

5. Chip quantity per unit: 189x BM1387

6. Dimensions: 350mm(L)*135mm(W)*158mm(H)

7. Cooling: 2x 12038 fan

8. Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C

9. Network Connection: Ethernet

10. Default Frequency: 650M

I thought that the price is $1k plus not 2k+ ..
The voltage and the power consumption is a little bit near in s7.. did you try s9 how about the noises??

[malickie]

Not sure I would bother with halving so close to happening and how long shipping would take.  But yeah it's here and on Bitmains site.  It is using the new 16nm chipset though so it is their next gen.  Oh yeah almost forgot the price.  Price: 2100 USD or 3.92 BTC

ANTMINER S9 First Batch - Shipping starts from 12 June

S9 Specifications:

1. Hash Rate: 14.0TH/s ±5%

2. Power Consumption: 1375W + 7% (at the wall, with APW3 ,93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)

3. Power Efficiency: 0.098 J/GH + 7%(at the wall, with APW3 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp)

4. Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V

5. Chip quantity per unit: 189x BM1387

6. Dimensions: 350mm(L)*135mm(W)*158mm(H)

7. Cooling: 2x 12038 fan

8. Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C

9. Network Connection: Ethernet

10. Default Frequency: 650M

I thought that the price is $1k plus not 2k+ ..
The voltage and the power consumption is a little bit near in s7.. did you try s9 how about the noises??

No one has a clue on the noise factor seeing as Shipping starts from 12 June.  My guess is it will be the same, the picture of the machine looks like they stuck with the same exact fans as the S7.  If you have issues with that you could always go ahead and get a Quieter fan from someone like Noctua, which is what I had to do when I had my S5 running. 

I do wish these companies would realize it is 2016 and add Wi-Fi ability to their machines as well, I mean hell even just add the ability to add a USB Wi-Fi Dongle for christs sake, would make placement of the miners so much easier for those who mine at home and don't have a giant factory with Internet and decent cooling.

[alh]

Experience on S7 suggested that the factory fans were about the quietest you could use and still keep the temperature under control. The S7 (and S9) dissipate quite bit (i.e. more than 2x) more heat than the S5. Quieter fans required a frequency reduction as I recall.

[usukan]

I heard that s9's will only mine on AntPool?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg15073544#msg15073544

Can anyone confirm that?

I hope its just a joke?