Look what a little birdie brought me ;)

[adaseb]

If this would be quiet/silent miner then I might be interested also.

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[Marvell1]

sorry was away for the weekend...and yes I am under NDA so I can't say much other than what is publicly available. Chips are indeed BW's latest 1402 14nm. About 50 GH a chip @ .1 w/gh.

So don't tell us anything that is covered by the NDA, just tell us what your plans are for the chips?

Rich

My plans involve discussing the deal with BW so thats the issue there. And the "deal" is a bit at odds with my plan for producing small affordable miners for you guys which is the problem currently.

I was going to stay away from stick miners since the high end of the stick miner range (for both compaq and my moonlander) was around 10W which cause a bit of headaches for USB powered devices/hubs...since most hubs can't provide that much clean power. The good thing about this chip is the high end is 5w, which would make it a prefect stick miner.

My "ideal" plan would be around a 4-5 chip "pod" miner ~200GH @ 20 watts (ridiculously small, think a 2x2x2 inch box) that could connect up to 10 of them on a single pcie power connector, and would have a separate controller box.

So essentially you would buy the pcie cable connector (or make one), the controller box, then add as many pods as you would like (up to 20 chained). So you would have miner "building blocks" and its up to the user how much they want to spend and how large to make the miner. Then lets say a new chips comes out, all you would have to do is swap out the board on the mini-pods for upgrades (same controller/powersetup and you would reuse the pod box/fan).

I'd throw some BTC in as well if a solid and workable plan is put forward

[EnJoyThis]

I won't mind joining to club, but it should be a relatively cool and quiet design. Such small boxes are ideally for home miners who can't host a noisy and hot machine in their sitting- / bedroom.

[in2tactics]

I like this idea. I would definitely be interested.

[QuintLeo]

A board that would fit on the old Gridseed "80 blade" heatsink/fans setups would be nice - even a small one that needed 3-5 boards to fill the entire heatsink assembly would be nice.

 Tons of those things around, and they were severely UNDERutilised on the old blade miners - probably good for 200 watts dissipation even pulled apart and used individually with any-old 92mm fan (the ones that came on them were pretty good flow for as quiet as they were).

[spazzdla]

Definitely interested in a 100ish watt miner.

[Mr. Kashif]

Mr. jstefanop, can you just throw some light on how much these chips are costing you and what is the MOQ, please? It would really help us all.

[philipma1957]

Mr. jstefanop, can you just throw some light on how much these chips are costing you and what is the MOQ, please? It would really help us all.

MOQ = minimum order quantity

[jstefanop]

Mr. jstefanop, can you just throw some light on how much these chips are costing you and what is the MOQ, please? It would really help us all.

I would love too...but thats the part I'm under NDA about. Im in some talk with a few people to see how I can get this off the ground...but with the s9 announcement there is not much room for offering a more "competitive" miner with these chips, especially from a third party.

[RichBC]

Mr. jstefanop, can you just throw some light on how much these chips are costing you and what is the MOQ, please? It would really help us all.

Can't help you on price but I was told by BW that for sales of chips to individuals and third party integrators there was a minimum order of 1 petahash.


Rich

[sidehack]

That's only 20K chips, actually not too bad. Probably under $200K, hopefully closer to $100K.

[alh]

That's only 20K chips, actually not too bad. Probably under $200K, hopefully closer to $100K.

I find it a bit amusing that a MOQ would be something other than a part count (i.e. the Quantity part of MOQ). Stating it in terms of dollars, or hashrate, or some other item which is actually DERIVED from a quantity value just seems goofy (and confusing). Maybe this is by design?

For this example, I am guessing that sidehack assumed a 50GH/chip hashrate?

[sidehack]

sorry was away for the weekend...and yes I am under NDA so I can't say much other than what is publicly available. Chips are indeed BW's latest 1402 14nm. About 50 GH a chip @ .1 w/gh.

Assumed?

[64dimensions]

sorry was away for the weekend...and yes I am under NDA so I can't say much other than what is publicly available. Chips are indeed BW's latest 1402 14nm. About 50 GH a chip @ .1 w/gh.

FYI

[Mr. Kashif]

Well if MOQ is really for 1Ph then its really cool, not like bitfury's $1m for 11ph woth of chips.

[QuintLeo]

sorry was away for the weekend...and yes I am under NDA so I can't say much other than what is publicly available. Chips are indeed BW's latest 1402 14nm. About 50 GH a chip @ .1 w/gh.

 Is that chip efficiency, or final miner efficiency?
 If it's chip it's .... nice but not impressive, bit worse than the S9 and about mid-range IIRC on the Bitfury chip.
 If it's miner.... that's VERY nice.

[alh]

sorry was away for the weekend...and yes I am under NDA so I can't say much other than what is publicly available. Chips are indeed BW's latest 1402 14nm. About 50 GH a chip @ .1 w/gh.

Assumed?

OK, I missed the mention of about 50GH per chip. If the part comes in at 55 GH, will they ship you fewer parts? What if you ordered enough other parts to build 10,000 stick miners, and they ship you 9200 chips? When you buy resistors to put on the your boards, do you order OHMS? How about LED's, do you order lumens? Maybe they should have just specified the weight of all those parts (MOQ 250 lbs). 

I'll bet that when a contract for actually sending parts is signed, there is a part count specified.

I just thinks it's silly to specify a quantity (i.e. a count) in terms of some other derived equivalent. It was probably done to try and hide, for a while, the $$/chip. In the end though, you figure that out in terms of how you price the hardware you sell.

Enough of my rant..........

[ZedZedNova]

sorry was away for the weekend...and yes I am under NDA so I can't say much other than what is publicly available. Chips are indeed BW's latest 1402 14nm. About 50 GH a chip @ .1 w/gh.

OK, I missed the mention of about 50GH per chip.

NDA probably says he can't get too specific with the hash rate, but one would imagine that BW has stated that at some specified voltage and some specified clock rate the chip can produce 50 GH/s. Now, if you want to play games with voltage levels and clock rates you might be able to achieve a higher/lower hash rate and change efficiency in terms of J/GH.

It could be like sidehack's Compac miner. You want to run at 150MHz clock, then the "stock" voltage is OK, and you get 7 GH/s - 8 GH/s. You want to run like a demon at 450MHz? Crank the core voltage up to 0.800v, slap on some monster coolers and you can hash get 20+ GH/s. All from the same BM1384 chip.

Cheers,

- zed

[cloudnthings]

Anyone hear about this? http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/

Wonder if anything will change?

[Unacceptable]

Anyone hear about this? http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/

Wonder if anything will change?

More than likely Avalon will not be selling any more miners,just self mining ala KnC