Overturn Proof Paypal?

[bitcoinminer]

I remember once from years ago when I actually used to use PayPal, that if you were sent a package, even if the stuff was completely broken you couldn't get your money back from the seller.

So what if you're selling BTC to someone, and they want to pay via PayPal?  I was thinking you could mail them a USB stick or DVD or something with the BTC on them, hang on to the tracking number, and use that as your proof on PayPal if they tried to overturn it?

Any thoughts?  I still hate PayPal and have used it maybe once in the last two years, but I'm thinking there's a lot I'll need to do via PayPal if I want to get equipment off of ebay, etc.

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[bitcredit]

Can't a brother get a little peace?

It's war on the streets and the war in the Middle East.

Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me!

[Stephen Gornick]

So what if you're selling BTC to someone, and they want to pay via PayPal?  I was thinking you could mail them a USB stick or DVD or something with the BTC on them, hang on to the tracking number, and use that as your proof on PayPal if they tried to overturn it?

Paypal warns:

> The following are examples of items/transactions not eligible for PayPal Seller protection.
> Claims or Chargebacks for Significantly Not as Described.
> Intangible items, including Digital Goods, and services.
> Items that are not shipped to the recipient address. If you originally ship the item to the recipient address but the item is later redirected to a different address, you will not be eligible for PayPal Seller protection.

A dispute with one or more of those and kiss your PayPal monies goodbye.  Even with a tracking number.

Other reasons PayPal will honor a dispute by the buyer:

- "my dog must have placed that order"
- "It was Wednesday"
- etc.


https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/UserAgreement_full

[bitcoinminer]

Right, but what you are selling would be a physical CD or USB stick, which WOULDNT be something digital only.

[SlaveInDebt]

So what if you're selling BTC to someone, and they want to pay via PayPal?  I was thinking you could mail them a USB stick or DVD or something with the BTC on them, hang on to the tracking number, and use that as your proof on PayPal if they tried to overturn it?

Paypal warns:

> The following are examples of items/transactions not eligible for PayPal Seller protection.
> Claims or Chargebacks for Significantly Not as Described.
> Intangible items, including Digital Goods, and services.
> Items that are not shipped to the recipient address. If you originally ship the item to the recipient address but the item is later redirected to a different address, you will not be eligible for PayPal Seller protection.

A dispute with one or more of those and kiss your PayPal monies goodbye.  Even with a tracking number.

Other reasons PayPal will honor a dispute by the buyer:

- "It must have been my dog that placed the order"
- "It was Wednesday"
- etc.


https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/UserAgreement_full

I'm dealing with that one as well speak. Sold then shipped a CPU with absolute proof it was shipped to buyer and I'm on appeal right now. Buyer claims nothing was in the package. I have the original package and proof of the difference in weight. However Paypal would rather blow donkeys than use any logic or reasoning when reviewing a dispute.

[bitcoinminer]

I'm dealing with that one as well speak. Sold then shipped a CPU with absolute proof it was shipped to buyer and I'm on appeal right now. Buyer claims nothing was in the package. I have the original package and proof of the difference in weight. However Paypal would rather blow donkeys than use any logic or reasoning when reviewing a dispute.

I can say I'd much rather observe someone blowing donkeys than use paypal as a seller.  Call the police in the local persons town - theft that crosses state lines is a felony.  Maybe nothing will happen, but if its some high school or college punk, an in person visit from the local police usually does the trick.

But back to the topic...