Mobile phones and cancer.

[virasog]

I believe in it. Although mobile phone manufacturers say that it is safe. But the negative impact of mobile is still there

Your wireless internet in the house, the cordless phone a few people may have still sitting around, again, these are radio waves too.  Now, can radio waves kill?  Can they cause damamge to physical flesh? 

Yes, if strong enough, they can cook a person.  The microwave in your house is not spewing forth radioation, those are focused and concentrated radio waves moving the molecules of the food.  A huge Navy radio transmittor can cook or burn a person.

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[daiyuba1971]

Everything invented by man is harmful. The degree of damage is different. Sometimes less harm than good. A refrigerator for example. A good thing, but the person suffering from obesity.

[Xester]

Yes I think it could be possible because almost everyone uses cellphones.  The radiation we get to it especially if its less than 15% according to the studies conducted by the specialist shows a very high radiation.  But I do think it would be too long for anyone to develop cancer by using cellphine but it could be possible.

[SaltySpitoon]

Cellphones don't cause cancer. The wavelength of cellphone frequencies is too large to cause any sort of cellular damage. They are very low energy waves at that, so there's no risk what so ever.

I have no idea how the rumor that cellphones could cause cancer started. There is absolutely no scientific backing or even plausible pseudo theory to explain why cell phones could cause cancer.

[machinek20]

well there are no solid evidence yet, some of the scientist claims that it was fine, the others claims that it was dangerous, the one that i knew is the radiation from cellphone is not good, because it can cause headaches, but developing cancer or tumor still got no evidence

[SaltySpitoon]

well there are no solid evidence yet, some of the scientist claims that it was fine, the others claims that it was dangerous, the one that i knew is the radiation from cellphone is not good, because it can cause headaches, but developing cancer or tumor still got no evidence

The solid evidence is in the basic principals of wave/particle physics. No scientists even question whether or not cell phones are dangerous. If you have a banana for breakfast, that is technically one trillion (10^12) times more radiation than from cell phone signals. The energy of a wave = plank's constant * the frequency. 6.63x10^-34Js * 2x10^9Hz (2Ghz) = 1.2x10^-24 J. On the other hand, the Potassium 40 in your morning banana is a beta emitter. Beta emitters give off around 1x10^-12 J. Something else to keep in mind, FM Radio is around 100Mhz, compare that to Cellphones and the energy isn't much different. We all know Xrays are dangerous, well they start around 3x10^16 Hz. Visible Lights is 430-770 Thz (4.3-7.7x10^14 Hz). Cell Phones, Wifi, Bluetooth, things in the Ghz range are 100% completely safe. There is absolutely no reason based on science that non ionizing RF radiation is detrimental to human health.

Long story short, sunlight and bananas are doing trillions of times more damage to you than that call to mom.

[virtualx]

Cellphones don't cause cancer. The wavelength of cellphone frequencies is too large to cause any sort of cellular damage. They are very low energy waves at that, so there's no risk what so ever.

I could tell you "Bananas don't cause cancer, they are yellow and this color doesn't cause any sort of cellular damage". Please post experimental results, this is not a religious debate.
OP posted link to article with some results on rats, it's more convincing than one liners.

[xht]

I believe in it. Although mobile phone manufacturers say that it is safe. But the negative impact of mobile is still there

Your wireless internet in the house, the cordless phone a few people may have still sitting around, again, these are radio waves too.  Now, can radio waves kill?  Can they cause damamge to physical flesh? 

Radiation from radio signal,WiFi and Bluetooth, Cooking food (in a microwave oven) not as big signal radiation from mobile phone so there is no case or news that the signal from the equipment of it can provoke cancer cells.

[Racey]

What about smart metering

The smart metering system is made up of: one electricity smart meter, one gas smart meter, a communications hub and an in-home display unit - the smart energy monitor on which you can view your energy (read more on this device in the section below). Smart meters measure actual, total gas and electricity usage.

These readings are automatically sent to British Gas using wireless technology similar to a mobile phone

https://www.britishgas.co.uk/smarter-living/control-energy/smart-meters/what-are-smart-meters.html

The Home Area Network (HAN) This links the meter to the appliances within the property. If wireless, this can use ZigBee, Z-wave or Wi-Fi radiation systems – typically in the ~2.5 Ghz range.   Whilst operating with shorter wavelengths, the wireless Home Area Network (HAN) is also able to penetrate walls, floors and ceilings. For residents in apartment blocks, or for houses built closely together, then a property may be exposed to several of their neighbour’s HAN.  (If you have been led to believe that WiFi is safe, there are many studies suggesting otherwise – and even telecoms industry patents (click here) claiming it causes significant harm to human biology.)

http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/resources/what-are-smart-meters/

Home page http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/



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[Dizaster2015]

well there are no solid evidence yet, some of the scientist claims that it was fine, the others claims that it was dangerous, the one that i knew is the radiation from cellphone is not good, because it can cause headaches, but developing cancer or tumor still got no evidence

Then why not a phone to carry in your pocket? Transmitters signal provider cannot be placed closer than 50 meters from residential buildings. Unhealthy for sure.

[satdas]

yes there are some cases reports, and i say that on social media, i think we should be careful about and should try not to use mobile without feeling the ex trim need of using mobile.

[Sundark]

Cellphones don't cause cancer. The wavelength of cellphone frequencies is too large to cause any sort of cellular damage. They are very low energy waves at that, so there's no risk what so ever.

I have no idea how the rumor that cellphones could cause cancer started. There is absolutely no scientific backing or even plausible pseudo theory to explain why cell phones could cause cancer.

Well, there were many inventions before which were totally safe - and later when science evolved suddenly they become totally dangerous.
Cigarettes are main example - for the first half of 20th century they were advertised as a cure for stress.

[SaltySpitoon]

I could tell you "Bananas don't cause cancer, they are yellow and this color doesn't cause any sort of cellular damage". Please post experimental results, this is not a religious debate.
OP posted link to article with some results on rats, it's more convincing than one liners.

I'd agree with you that bananas don't cause cancer. That doesn't change the fact that Potassium 40 a beta emitting isotope of Potassium is present in Bananas. I'm not entirely sure how to link a source for my in progress Masters Degree in Nuclear Physics, but I did explain the energy emission of cell phone waves vs the energy emission of Beta decay.

Well, there were many inventions before which were totally safe - and later when science evolved suddenly they become totally dangerous.
Cigarettes are main example - for the first half of 20th century they were advertised as a cure for stress.

This isn't a matter of carcinogens or other effects on the human body by substances, its a matter of the laws of physics based on energy. Cancer from radiation is caused by ionizing energy from high energy waves causing damage to the body. The RF spectrum we are talking about isn't considered ionizing as the energy is too low. It is entirely possible that we don't understand the true causes of cancer, and for that reason Cell Phone signals could cause cancer. But in order for that to be true, sunlight and such would cause 100,000x as much damage as cell phones, (as sunlight has 100,000x more energy) still making them have negligible effect.

*where my numbers figures come from

The solid evidence is in the basic principals of wave/particle physics. No scientists even question whether or not cell phones are dangerous. If you have a banana for breakfast, that is technically one trillion (10^12) times more radiation than from cell phone signals. The energy of a wave = plank's constant * the frequency. 6.63x10^-34Js * 2x10^9Hz (2Ghz) = 1.2x10^-24 J. On the other hand, the Potassium 40 in your morning banana is a beta emitter. Beta emitters give off around 1x10^-12 J. Something else to keep in mind, FM Radio is around 100Mhz, compare that to Cellphones and the energy isn't much different. We all know Xrays are dangerous, well they start around 3x10^16 Hz. Visible Lights is 430-770 Thz (4.3-7.7x10^14 Hz). Cell Phones, Wifi, Bluetooth, things in the Ghz range are 100% completely safe. There is absolutely no reason based on science that non ionizing RF radiation is detrimental to human health.

Long story short, sunlight and bananas are doing trillions of times more damage to you than that call to mom.

[virtualx]

I could tell you "Bananas don't cause cancer, they are yellow and this color doesn't cause any sort of cellular damage". Please post experimental results, this is not a religious debate.
OP posted link to article with some results on rats, it's more convincing than one liners.

I'd agree with you that bananas don't cause cancer. That doesn't change the fact that Potassium 40 a beta emitting isotope of Potassium is present in Bananas. I'm not entirely sure how to link a source for my in progress Masters Degree in Nuclear Physics, but I did explain the energy emission of cell phone waves vs the energy emission of Beta decay.

The explanation is good, but its in contrast to the results in the paper of OP. Are they a fraud? Did they mess up the experiment?

[SaltySpitoon]

The explanation is good, but its in contrast to the results in the paper of OP. Are they a fraud? Did they mess up the experiment?

I actually found a review of the experiment linked in the OP by the ACEBR

http://acebr.uow.edu.au/index.html

Here is their official statement, of course you can read it all on the link above, but for those who don't want to follow the link.

An overall consideration is that the NTP release does not contain sufficient information to enable adequate review. For example, without detail of other endpoints tested it is hard to correctly interpret the statistical analyses. This is pointed out by Reviewer Dr Lauer, from the National Institutes of Health, who writes

“Why aren’t we being told, at least at a high level, of the results of other experiments (i.e., male and female mice, tissues other than heart and brain, tumors other than glioma and schwannoma)? Given the multiple comparisons inherent in this kind of work… there is a high risk of false positive discoveries. In the absence of knowing other findings, we must worry about selective reporting bias.” Dr Lauer states “I am unable to accept the authors’ conclusions”. Indeed as pointed out by the NTP Associate Director Dr Bucher at the NTP press conference, about 20 to 30% of the scientists within NTP who examined the report did not agree with the conclusions; an indication that more thorough scrutiny was required. Without such thorough scrutiny the conclusions cannot be taken as more than the provisional positions of the authors, rather than a scientific contribution.

However, even given the limited information provided, there are a number of issues that stand out and question the relevance of the NTP report to public health. These include both methodological and interpretational issues.

There are also very... very... basic methodical errors also listed.

[virtualx]

The explanation is good, but its in contrast to the results in the paper of OP. Are they a fraud? Did they mess up the experiment?

I actually found a review of the experiment linked in the OP by the ACEBR

http://acebr.uow.edu.au/index.html

Here is their official statement, of course you can read it all on the link above, but for those who don't want to follow the link.

An overall consideration is that the NTP release does not contain sufficient information to enable adequate review. For example, without detail of other endpoints tested it is hard to correctly interpret the statistical analyses. This is pointed out by Reviewer Dr Lauer, from the National Institutes of Health, who writes

“Why aren’t we being told, at least at a high level, of the results of other experiments (i.e., male and female mice, tissues other than heart and brain, tumors other than glioma and schwannoma)? Given the multiple comparisons inherent in this kind of work… there is a high risk of false positive discoveries. In the absence of knowing other findings, we must worry about selective reporting bias.” Dr Lauer states “I am unable to accept the authors’ conclusions”. Indeed as pointed out by the NTP Associate Director Dr Bucher at the NTP press conference, about 20 to 30% of the scientists within NTP who examined the report did not agree with the conclusions; an indication that more thorough scrutiny was required. Without such thorough scrutiny the conclusions cannot be taken as more than the provisional positions of the authors, rather than a scientific contribution.

However, even given the limited information provided, there are a number of issues that stand out and question the relevance of the NTP report to public health. These include both methodological and interpretational issues.

There are also very... very... basic methodical errors also listed.

I'm convinced, thanks! The scientists were to fast to jump to conclusions in this paper.

[Zosuda]

i heard it could take longer then our life time for mobile to affect our brains or cause cancer.

[virasog]

yes there are some cases reports, and i say that on social media, i think we should be careful about and should try not to use mobile without feeling the ex trim need of using mobile.

Mobile phones?  Not a chance, it is too weak and, more importantly, not focused.  But, let's say that all of what people say is possible, just for ++++ and giggles.  There is nothing that you can do now. 

[virasog]

Putting down your mobile phone does  nothing about the myriad of signals passing around you and through you right now.  So, don't be afraid to make the call, your friends, neighbors, the TV, the computer, and many things are all covering you in the same radio waves right this second.

[Dank14]

The truth is, no one knows the real cause of cancer. The research goes on...