first bitmain antminer S10 speculation thread (probably)

[QuintLeo]

TSMC is running at 65 % capacity

 Overall perhaps of ALL of their lines, but NOT on their 12/16nm node line(s).
 NVidia specifically moved to make their GTX 1050 and 1050ti at Samsung because TSMC didn't have the CAPACITY available to make those with all of it's then-current contracts (including the NVidia one for the 1060 and up).

 TSMC DOES have other lines still running on older nodes, like 28 and 40 nm (possibly 22nm but I'm not SURE there) that are kept busy enough to be profitable - AFAIK they still have at least one line running 55nm for older chips that don't NEED the current node but are still practical to use.
 In example, you don't waste the money making a radio/clock/alarm chip on current process because it doesn't NEED the ultimate in efficiency - same for Car "radio" stuff, boomboxes, televisions, and such.

[Khurram Bin Kamal]

Thanks for the update about TSMC it was really informative

[HyperMega]

Thanks for your reply I didn't said that bitmain is a bigger customer than APPLE AMD or NVIDIA of TSMC and for your information AMD fabricates it's chips from global foundry and not from TSMC Taiwan.
TSMC is running at 65 % capacity and they are taking mining segment seriously and for your information according to TSMC website they have stratified their chip fabrication into 2 divisions one is for mobile phones and the other for high computing power chips.

I think you know nothing about Bitmain mining machines and you are such a novice to mining machine segment and was not accepting this type of statement from a legendary member that bitmain only manufactures a couple of thousand miners each batch WHAT A JOKE
Bitmain has currently 3 active models S9,L3+ and D3  and if you look at bitmain Chinese website and have a common sense to use a Google translator you will know that in each batch their are around 5000 miners and with 3 to 4 batch released every month for each batch it makes around 45000 miners only for Chinese market and the same quantity  for international market it make around 80k to 90k miners and if you multiply it by 189 and 288 chips for some models you will get a hell lot a figure not as big as APPLE but a substantial number.

No offence, but NotFuzzy is right.
If you want to build everything, which is currently mining again, from scratch, you would have to produce less than 60k 28nm wafers (assuming about 100 THash/s per 300mm wafer).
This is the monthly production capacity of a single giga fab. TSMC, GF, Samsung, Intel, UMC, … all the major foundries have at least one 28nm giga fab. There are not so much 14/16nm fabs around, but considering Moore’s law only 30k 14/16nm wafers would be needed in this case.
The theoretical revenue a foundry could make, if it produces all ASICs for 6 Exa-Hash/s in 28nm (or 14/16nm) would be less than $300M. That is about 1% of TSMC’s yearly revenue. I’m not saying, that this is nothing, it’s much more than I was predicting 3 years ago. But it’s probably still not enough to get any special conditions for early access to the currently very rare 7nm production capacities.

[Khurram Bin Kamal]

Thanks for your info but about 7 nm nodes TSMC according to their website NOT ACCORDING TO ME has divided the 7nm segment into 2 divisions and on their website it specifically says one for mobile phones and the other for high computing power chips before that they have not divided this into 2 segments, may be these high computing power chips are for some other use also rather than only ASIC MINERS

[HyperMega]

Thanks for your info but about 7 nm nodes TSMC according to their website NOT ACCORDING TO ME has divided the 7nm segment into 2 divisions and on their website it specifically says one for mobile phones and the other for high computing power chips before that they have not divided this into 2 segments, may be these high computing power chips are for some other use also rather than only ASIC MINERS

When TSMC is talking about “high performance” they have e.g. GPUs in mind. NVIDIA and former ATI (now AMD) are TSMC customers. There are lots of high performance networking product e.g. from Broadcom or Qualcom too.
In principle it is everything, which is not battery powered and needs maximum compute performance.

[Khurram Bin Kamal]

Ok thanks for your information

[Nokilus]

this is hard to imagine. I expect not that much increase in efficiency, due to semiconductor technologies you maybe reach 80mJ/TH, does some1 know? the chips are sourced with 3.3V ? I think so, they could find asic runnig at 1.8V, but i dont think this makes the consumption a half, maybe 3 quarter, then theyy could increase the quantity of units, and the density of units in one chip. this will become amazing, then will come the point you can not earn with bitoin because the currency cost is higher than the earnings.

[trackers]

so everyone is predicting with the antminer S9, right? even though S9 is ready to release, i am a bit curious about if the newer version of antminer is gonna release like S10 as mentioned. if nobody has had posted anything ever regarding the S10, then this will be the first ever thread.

if you wanna speculate with the S10, please leave some of the guess here.

i would guess about specification...

this miner will be released in the early Q2 2017, after the S9 is released.

for mining power, at least 15 Terahash/s at 150W each Terahash; because the production of chips will probably be done in Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation - TSMC (at my prediction, 10 nanometer).

Still waiting.... Is there anywhere to get some news? Not a lot of info from Bitmain these days

[fanatic26]

Still waiting.... Is there anywhere to get some news? Not a lot of info from Bitmain these days

There is no news because this is a useless speculation thread based on nothing but random guesses from people on the internet. There are no facts to support any of this.

[philipma1957]

so everyone is predicting with the antminer S9, right? even though S9 is ready to release, i am a bit curious about if the newer version of antminer is gonna release like S10 as mentioned. if nobody has had posted anything ever regarding the S10, then this will be the first ever thread.

if you wanna speculate with the S10, please leave some of the guess here.

i would guess about specification...

this miner will be released in the early Q2 2017, after the S9 is released.

for mining power, at least 15 Terahash/s at 150W each Terahash; because the production of chips will probably be done in Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation - TSMC (at my prediction, 10 nanometer).

Still waiting.... Is there anywhere to get some news? Not a lot of info from Bitmain these days

You quote a year old post why?

[eprocent]

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

[Rumipl]

I guess that we won't hear anything about next gen miners from Bitmain this year.

[Wipro]

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now. 
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

[AtraxPool]

https://news.bitcoin.com/gmo-to-invest-10-billion-yen-in-its-own-7-nm-5-nm-and-3-5-nm-dedicated-bitcoin-mining-chips/

Looks like 7nm, 5nm and 3.5nm are all on the cards.

This could turn the mining industry from the hands of the many into the hands of the few. (not that were not heading in that direction anyway)

I also don't think there timeframe is realistic enough and dose not comply with moors law.

[eprocent]

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now. 
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

I just read a spanish article about Ant S10 but without an official announcement. They say that in this time (Q3, Q4 2017) is posible to come out in marketplace antminer S10.

[hellokalaco]

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now. 
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

I just read a spanish article about Ant S10 but without an official announcement. They say that in this time (Q3, Q4 2017) is posible to come out in marketplace antminer S10.

where did you see it?

[eprocent]

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now. 
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

I just read a spanish article about Ant S10 but without an official announcement. They say that in this time (Q3, Q4 2017) is posible to come out in marketplace antminer S10.

where did you see it?

I see the news in a steemit, but is just a speculation, not an official announce.
https://steemit.com/especulacion/@btchispano/especulacion-antminer-s10
About the release date of antminer S10 I think need to await an official announcement. All news today are just speculations about official releasing date.

[Bigsky]

I would really like bitmain to bring back a home miner

The world has run out of hosting and you cant run
S9's at home and stay married.

Why cant bitmain keep their promise from a few years
back and make new boards for the old S2's.

Today, I rummaged through the garage and dug
out an old S2, opened it up, blew it out and decided
to run 6 boards in it, to give more space between them.

PSU flashed up nicely, then decided to see how it ran
without the lid on and fans disconnected, it ran too hot.
So reconnected the two intake fans only and put the lid back
on.  It is running great, 50 degrees and very quite considering

Now 6 boards/blades with current chips would work
great, probably around 1TH per board, making this a
true home miner, and could do what the earlier miners
do, ie home heating, you could mine at home and
still remain married

I am sure there would be enough demand for the boards
and they should not be too hard to make, and they would
be cheaper to ship and you could buy a few at a time and
get around customs duties as well

Win, Win, Win all round

[accssg]

All the predictions and speculations were in the same S9 to 14 TH @ 100WxTH ...

Let's wait for the first semester of 2018, at least let's reach 10 nm.

[maxpetrusenko]

It's been awhile of no news about s10
anyone heard anything?

I waiting here to buy those s10 antminers