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 June 11, 2011, 04:15:49 AM

Hi!

Maybe I'm doing the math wrong here:

Current difficulty = 567358
Good rig efficiency = 2e6 hashes/Joule

Average energy per block = (567358*232/2e6) J = 1.22e9 J = 338 kWh

Price of electricity per block = 338 kWh * 0.1 USD/kWh = 33.8 USD

Divide by 50 BTC per block and we get 33.8 USD / 50BTC = 0.676 USD/BTC

It seems to me that if you already own some hardware capable of hashing, mining pays off twentyfold or more.  So I'm guessing my math is wrong?
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 June 11, 2011, 04:35:18 AM

yea you doing it wrong take you Mhs and then find out how much power you rig is pulling then see how many coins you get a day vs how much you power is a day
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 June 11, 2011, 04:43:54 AM

Yes, you are doing it wrong. Take your Mhash/s and then find out how much power you rig is pulling, then see how many coins you get a day vs how much you power you draw in a day.

I'm working with the assumption that the posted Mhash/J numbers are correct, so I don't need to measure them again like you suggest.
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 June 11, 2011, 05:02:11 AM

It costs me around US\$3 in power per BTC as one of my computers is less efficient.  I could cut that back to US\$2.10 per BTC, but also slow down my hashing rate.  10c/kwh is very cheap power.  I have to pay the equivalent of 27c/kwh in Australia.

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 June 11, 2011, 05:40:34 AM

It costs me around US\$3 in power per BTC as one of my computers is less efficient.  I could cut that back to US\$2.10 per BTC, but also slow down my hashing rate.  10c/kwh is very cheap power.  I have to pay the equivalent of 27c/kwh in Australia.

Ouch, that must kill. Isn't half your country a desert wasteland you could fill with solar panels?

I'd say 10c/kWh is a fair average for America though, seeing as some states have as high as .15, while states with strong hydro or nuclear programs have as low as .045 .

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 June 11, 2011, 06:33:38 AM

It costs me around US\$3 in power per BTC as one of my computers is less efficient.  I could cut that back to US\$2.10 per BTC, but also slow down my hashing rate.  10c/kwh is very cheap power.  I have to pay the equivalent of 27c/kwh in Australia.

Could be part of the problem be that you are a basement mom and popi illegal operation?

I plan putting up some gear and found out that if I put up a LOT  my price of electricity goes from 27 eurocents to 6 eurocents - industrial power is a lot cheaper once you take a lot more than a couple of households, and steadily.

naturally "I have some mining rig in my basement" won't cut it. 30 high power rigs in 3 racks do.

Or: I plan to rount out mining rig. Finance the rig. FInance the room. Finance the seucrity and administration. Cheaper than you pay for the electricity
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 June 11, 2011, 07:37:29 AM

Ouch, that must kill. Isn't half your country a desert wasteland you could fill with solar panels?

I'm getting a 1.5kw solar system in a few weeks, but even that will generate maybe 3kwh per day in the middle of winter.

Vast arrays of solar power would make sense in Australia, but it's still much cheaper to dig up coal and burn it.  Nuclear power is out of the equation and will never happen, despite Australia being one of the world's top uranium exporters.

Power here is expensive and growing at more than 10%/year, and that's before a carbon emissions tax (if that ever happens).  Australia is an expensive place to live.  Our housing costs triple that of the US market (post bubble) and I buy pretty much everything I can online from the USA and England to avoid the local retailer and distributor price gouging.  Books are half price off Amazon.com, inc air mail, etc.

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 June 11, 2011, 07:58:57 AM

I'm getting a 1.5kw solar system in a few weeks, but even that will generate maybe 3kwh per day in the middle of winter.

Vast arrays of solar power would make sense in Australia, but it's still much cheaper to dig up coal and burn it.  Nuclear power is out of the equation and will never happen, despite Australia being one of the world's top uranium exporters.

Power here is expensive and growing at more than 10%/year, and that's before a carbon emissions tax (if that ever happens).  Australia is an expensive place to live.  Our housing costs triple that of the US market (post bubble) and I buy pretty much everything I can online from the USA and England to avoid the local retailer and distributor price gouging.  Books are half price off Amazon.com, inc air mail, etc.

If its any consolation, the australian housing bubble will pop at some point, so you will be able to buy a house cheaper.

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 June 11, 2011, 10:15:24 AM

It seems to me that if you already own some hardware capable of hashing, mining pays off twentyfold or more.  So I'm guessing my math is wrong?
Yeah, it's more like 1.5\$-2\$ per BTC:
- not everyone is efficient as that
- the PC has other components that use power to support mining
- even efficient miners need cooling costs (fans, AC, extra energy)
- you need to pay for the decaying hardware (buy price minus sell price)
- account for failures in hardware (shit breaks, 100% loss on PC parts)
- account for failures in software (badly configured software, human mistakes, automated mistakes, pools go down, internet goes down)
- internet subscriptions or traffic (where applies)
- rent or loss of usable space costs (where applies)
- security costs (guardsmen, watchmen, alarms, systems)

Now, besides this, let me ask you the following:
- how much BTC do we create each day?
- how much BTC do we sell each day?

Find the answers and you will understand.

Power here is expensive and growing at more than 10%/year, and that's before a carbon emissions tax (if that ever happens).  Australia is an expensive place to live.  Our housing costs triple that of the US market (post bubble) and I buy pretty much everything I can online from the USA and England to avoid the local retailer and distributor price gouging.  Books are half price off Amazon.com, inc air mail, etc.

That's pretty silly. Why can't Australian companies resell things at less than 100% markup?
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 June 11, 2011, 10:45:49 AM

In The Netherlands (ever looked it up at the map? ) one kWh is about 0.32 USD...
But it's still profitable...

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 June 11, 2011, 03:49:25 PM

It's not a hard formula

(power consumption in kWh)(price per kWh)(Time to earn 1 btc in Hours) = Cost per BTC

According to Bitcoin Mining Calculator, 565 Mhash will give you 1 btc per day, so we'll use that as an example here

(power consumption in kWh)(price per kWh)(24) = Cost per BTC

Now, we'll be liberal with the power consumption here (2 5850s could get that rate OC'd, maybe even 2 5830s)

(.75 )(price per kWh)(24) = Cost per BTC

According to eia.gov, the average cost of power in America was \$.0966

(.75 )(.0966)(24) = Cost per BTC

(.75 )(.0966)(24) = \$1.7388

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 June 11, 2011, 04:27:50 PM

Have I disagreed with you on the power costs? Why do you show the calculation of power costs, when I included many other costs reported by forum users.
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 June 11, 2011, 10:57:46 PM

Please remember the average power in the US per kw does NOT include additional fees and taxes.  The state I live in has average costs, around the quoted 10c kw/hr.  But by the time I get my bill a good 35% of additional fees are tacked on making my real costs closer to 14c kw/hr than 10.  And that is not even including all the above real, non-trivial additional costs.

To the above laundry list of costs I'd like to add the labor cost to set up and maintain the mining gear.  But while that reflects true cost of BTC the original title is all about the power cost.  I'd say .7 is way too low, I'm planning using \$2.5/btc and expecting to up that to \$3 come next Tuesday, possibly \$5 for the next difficulty jump.  I don't think we'll see \$9/BTC in power costs for a very, very long time.
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 June 12, 2011, 12:25:02 PM

In The Netherlands (ever looked it up at the map? ) one kWh is about 0.32 USD...
But it's still profitable...

Sure, you dont need an equal amount of airconditiong to keep the mining rig cool since the
summer daytime high is only 22C.

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 June 12, 2011, 12:54:06 PM

I'm working with the assumption that the posted Mhash/J numbers are correct, so I don't need to measure them again like you suggest.
They very often won't be. They usually just use the TDP, and that will be wrong because they overclock and don't add overhead from other parts in the system and power conversion in the PSU.
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 June 24, 2011, 09:29:47 PM

Two difficulty rises later, we're up to, using a 800 watt (remember PSUs are not 100% efficient) overclocked quad 5830 setup:

280 Mhash * 4 = 1120 Mhash = .817 BTC/day (in actuality lower, since solo mining is impractical and pools are not 100% efficient)

800 watts * 24 hours = 19.2Kw/day

19.2Kw/day * \$.14 Kw/hr = \$2.688/day.

So what we have is \$2.688 / .817 = \$3.29 per bit coin without factoring in cooling, cost of hardware, etc etc.  Another way to look at it,

\$17.50 - \$3.29 * .817 = \$11.6 daily return on a ~\$900 investment.  Yuck!
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 June 24, 2011, 10:47:48 PM

\$17.50 - \$3.29 * .817 = \$11.6 daily return on a ~\$900 investment.  Yuck!
Yeah, because you know, you can get 100% ROI in 2-3 months with just 20% risk in any other market, right?!
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In The Netherlands (ever looked it up at the map? ) one kWh is about 0.32 USD...
But it's still profitable...

Sure, you dont need an equal amount of airconditiong to keep the mining rig cool since the
summer daytime high is only 22C.

28C tomorrow... Summer has just begun...
But I don't have airconditioning, that's true Just open a window when things get to hot...

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 June 25, 2011, 11:40:02 AM

28C tomorrow... Summer has just begun...
But I don't have airconditioning, that's true Just open a window when things get to hot...

Yea its a good thing its mid-winter where I am. I find that I dont need a heater on when I would normally have one in use - I just use the heat from my PC to keep my room warm

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 June 25, 2011, 10:20:03 PM

Please remember the average power in the US per kw does NOT include additional fees and taxes.  The state I live in has average costs, around the quoted 10c kw/hr.  But by the time I get my bill a good 35% of additional fees are tacked on making my real costs closer to 14c kw/hr than 10.  And that is not even including all the above real, non-trivial additional costs.

To the above laundry list of costs I'd like to add the labor cost to set up and maintain the mining gear.  But while that reflects true cost of BTC the original title is all about the power cost.  I'd say .7 is way too low, I'm planning using \$2.5/btc and expecting to up that to \$3 come next Tuesday, possibly \$5 for the next difficulty jump.  I don't think we'll see \$9/BTC in power costs for a very, very long time.

Also realize that power costs vary significantly based on when you use your power.  Home users typically pay lower rates in regulated markets because they're assumed to use their power off-peak, while businesses pay high rates due to the expectation of peak hour usage.

Interestingly, for the "can't your just fill those deserts with solar panels" post, solar generation still doesn't really pay without significant subsidization from the government.  The payout on a panel using reasonable discount rate ALMOST works if you lie to yourself about it with the subsidies currently being offered in the US.
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