[Request] Scammer tags or account locking for supposed ASIC startups? Options?

[Dalkore]

I am not sure what should happen, some prescriptions are in the title, but I think it is clear we have some people trying to get pre-order money for new ASICs that just came out of no where but with terms that would make you "have" to trust them without much recourse.  Also, no pictures of actually units or proof of working chips.  They are all Junior accounts as well.   Please look into this.  Here are some links below:

PrimeAsic - 80 Ghash/sec Asic Miner
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148832.0

    
First REAL working sample of Russian Bitcoin ASIC
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149151.0

Lightning miner ! 4ghs 80 usd Wow
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0


Thank You,
Dalkore

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[BlackLilac Jordan]

Tom/Cablepair still doesn't have a scammer tag IIRC, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

[marra]

This is the right thread for the idea which will sort things out, maybe a bit radical but there's no other way.

BitcoinTalk is respectful knowledge base.

Here i propose how everybody in the ASIC field should be treated here, scam wise. And this goes for all who have done nothing but show images, dates and flames through forum threads.

If a company can't submit whole pc board kit scheme as open source it should be treated as SCAM. No reasons why not to.

[marra]

This is the right thread for the idea which will sort things out, maybe a bit radical but there's no other way.

BitcoinTalk is respectful knowledge base.

Here i propose how everybody in the ASIC field should be treated here, scam wise. And this goes for all who have done nothing but show images, dates and flames through forum threads.

If a company can't submit whole pc board kit scheme as open source it should be treated as SCAM. No reasons why not to.

To Moderators of this forum, in order to sustain the level of credibility over here could you please block all the ASIC companies which haven't showed working device with independent confirmation?


Many thanks beforehand!

[Rampion]

Didn't check the Russian bitcoins ASIC, but the other two are definitely a scam. Plenty of proofs of that.

[CharlieContent]

You better hope that

A) A moderator isn't invested in the company or
B) The company hasn't made donations to the forum

Otherwise the scam will be allowed to continue here. That is how things work on this forum.

[nbtcminer]

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

[John (John K.)]

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

[Dalkore]

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two.  It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money.    Thanks much.

[John (John K.)]

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two.  It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money.    Thanks much.

As per the forum rules, I unfortunately cannot remove those, not to mention that there are still no confirmed cases of actual users being scammed out of their monies.. I have added a footnote in each of the threads, and please remember that everyone is responsible for their own investments.

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

[Dalkore]

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two.  It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money.    Thanks much.

As per the forum rules, I unfortunately cannot remove those, not to mention that there are still no confirmed cases of actual users being scammed out of their monies.. I have added a footnote in each of the threads, and please remember that everyone is responsible for their own investments.

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

Yes that is the policy.   My question is why isn't there an exception when it become obvious?  It doesn't bring undue bad attention to Bitcoin when likely scams are left until someone gets scammed, at that point isn't it to late.   Would you change the policy if you could or do you think this is the best approach.   

[John (John K.)]

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two.  It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money.    Thanks much.

As per the forum rules, I unfortunately cannot remove those, not to mention that there are still no confirmed cases of actual users being scammed out of their monies.. I have added a footnote in each of the threads, and please remember that everyone is responsible for their own investments.

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

Yes that is the policy.   My question is why isn't there an exception when it become obvious?  It doesn't bring undue bad attention to Bitcoin when likely scams are left until someone gets scammed, at that point isn't it to late.   Would you change the policy if you could or do you think this is the best approach.   

It would take a lot of time and effort on the enforcer to conclusively prove that 'X is a scam' before the actual scamming occurred. Not to mention the fact that the enforcer's character and beliefs would be tested - it's easy for someone biased to automatically point out that 'X is a scam' after merely seeing that 'X' came from Nigeria/Congo/*insert country where fraud is rampant*.  The best one can do in this case is to point out the obvious risks to the greed-blinded users, and leave them with that. If we start to police the threads vigorously, it would be against the spirit of Bitcoin, where a free market policy stands behind it as opposed to the traditional nanny-state system.

[John (John K.)]

PS: I appreciate and thank you on the behalf of other users for pointing those out - I've been avoiding the Custom Hardware subforum of late as I didn't have ample time to sieve through the trollings.

[Dalkore]

PS: I appreciate and thank you on the behalf of other users for pointing those out - I've been avoiding the Custom Hardware subforum of late as I didn't have ample time to sieve through the trollings.

Yeah I understand that reasoning.   People do need to be responsible and do their own due diligence.  What I don't like about these is that they are trying to take capital from miners who would help secure the network.   Its a little different in case.


I do what I can,  I waited and read up on all these before I decided to say something.  If we all pitch in then we can keep some free market order in here

[Rampion]

Well, in the case of PrimAsic the scam is 100% proved.

[BlackLilac Jordan]

This is the right thread for the idea which will sort things out, maybe a bit radical but there's no other way.

BitcoinTalk is respectful knowledge base.

Here i propose how everybody in the ASIC field should be treated here, scam wise. And this goes for all who have done nothing but show images, dates and flames through forum threads.

If a company can't submit whole pc board kit scheme as open source it should be treated as SCAM. No reasons why not to.

To Moderators of this forum, in order to sustain the level of credibility over here could you please block all the ASIC companies which haven't showed working device with independent confirmation?


Many thanks beforehand!

I can think of one company that fits this description that will certainly not be banned... they buy close to 100% of the ad spots on this forum, while driving the prices up.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

... just like a real advertising network?

[Monster Tent]

The largest ASIC seller still has no proof of a working ASIC miner so they need a scammer tag too.

[CharlieContent]

The largest ASIC seller still has no proof of a working ASIC miner so they need a scammer tag too.

This won't happen. Many moderators are on the BFL payroll, plus ad spot sales, plus Theymos owns part of BFL.

[theymos]

Many moderators are on the BFL payroll

Who?

plus ad spot sales

Cablepair also bought many ad slots, and he now has a scammer tag.

Theymos owns part of BFL.

I don't.