Roger Ver and blocksize

[franky1]

Consensus based transaction network requires a breakdown in consensus between nodes, "because freedom"? Great idea, Franky

its not a concensus if there is only one dictator..

there needs to be multiple implementations and then find the "general agreement" between them.. rather then one decision or nothing

i think its time you go and buy a few books and learn some basics

[chek2fire]

the only thing i know is that Ver and guys like him get rich some million dollars more with this recent bitcoin pump

[franky1]

the only thing i know is that Ver and guys like him get rich some million dollars more with this recent bitcoin pump

most of us hoarders dont actually bother checking the price that regular anymore. im pretty sure Ver doesnt check it more then once a day or week... definitely not more then once a day.


knowing Vers hoard is based on 2011-2013 prices he knows he is in profit no matter what small price drama happens, 10% swings are meaningless.. so are 1% swings
we would all go insane if we were to be checking it regularly to see one minute its $550,000 hoard, next minute its $548,000 next minute its $552,000

so overall. the price drama is meaningless on the short term

[Carlton Banks]

Consensus based transaction network requires a breakdown in consensus between nodes, "because freedom"? Great idea, Franky

its not a concensus if there is only one dictator..

there needs to be multiple implementations and then find the "general agreement" between them.. rather then one decision or nothing

i think its time you go and buy a few books and learn some basics

Deliberately heinous exaggeration/misrepresentation won't help you this time either, anyone with enough BTC to care (as opposed to people like you and Roger who sing about your BTC net worth from the rooftops) will actually investigate what you're saying.


The "general agreement" of the market participants is actually already being decided...... in the marketplace. And it seems the market is kind of liking the direction Bitcoin is going in huh?







Code up your amazing ideas for a cryptocurrency that scales (with those non-existent coding chops you keep bleating on about) and then COMPETE IN THE ACTUAL FREE MARKET,  as opposed to trying to subvert someone else's project, like you're doing.

[franky1]

....boring comments..

there are already 12 implementations. yet you and other blockstreamers want everyone to only use cores roadmap..
sorry but there are other options. core should not be a dictator. and you should not be a minion of a dictator either

maybe its best you go play with your monero along with icebreaker and gmaxwell

[Hirose UK]

Don't you know Roger Ver is an  - Bitcoin Angel Investor & Bitcoin Evangelist ? Well that's what his official website says and hence his opinions do matter to those who follow him.I don't see anything wrong with that.

Don't you know that my Cat is the supreme Jedi savior? Well, that's what her official website says and thus you should worship her. I don't see anything wrong with that. [1]
Hopefully you see what I'm getting at with [1]. Anyhow, read the posts from Carlton regarding Ver.
[/quote]
LOL. you failed to see how honest an official website is.
should I write another animal's official website?

so the thing is Roger Ver probably wants to make clear the issue, so he can make a strategy on bitcoin. simple thought.

[hv_]

For some here that try to put price and decisions in some relations I'd suggest a reading here:

.. causes and effects are not obviously related ...

http://necsi.edu/guide/

Cheers
 

[calkob]

I think he holds alot of bitcoin and he is allowed his opinion just like anyone else, it dosnt mean that we have to agree.....

[Gwapo]

Roger Ver is a typical FUDster with no brains at all.
He is trying to get some traction to his dead forum and his 'parody' subreddit with these kind of constant whining about block size increase.

Overall he is not helpful to the community at all.

[chopstick]

Roger Ver is a typical FUDster with no brains at all.
He is trying to get some traction to his dead forum and his 'parody' subreddit with these kind of constant whining about block size increase.

Overall he is not helpful to the community at all.

No, you're just a typical moron who isn't even capable of debating the valid points he has raised. Very few have contributed more to the community than he has. Fool

Have fun on your censored crap forums

[Carlton Banks]

Well, at least I qualify my derogatory comments with an actual basis, if you take a read up and down this page (and thread) you'll notice BigBlockers dishing out random insults and playground taunts without any facts to back them up at all. And my comments relate to their conduct in the debate, not their actual position. Winning with class, huh guys

[classicsucks]

He's also good friends with another dubious "freedom" outfit: the Liberty Radio Network (who have a history of making bizarre mistakes during "liberty" activism, e.g. recently they were excommunicated from a local "liberty" organisation for advocating sex with children)

That's quite a charge. He needs to respond to it.

I'm generally skeptical of Randian libertards, as I have yet to meet one who would actually want to live in the world they argue for. Recently I challenged my local neighborhood libertard in a thought experiment. Since he always says "private property is the foundation of wealth and modern capitalism", I told him that logically he would favor a world where EVERYWHERE is private property. He bit this hook, and hilarity ensued...

[Patatas]

Don't you know Roger Ver is an  - Bitcoin Angel Investor & Bitcoin Evangelist ? Well that's what his official website says and hence his opinions do matter to those who follow him.I don't see anything wrong with that.

Umm...somethings wrong there.That's not my quote ,its Lauda's reply to mine.I'll answer you on his behalf anyway.Unofficial one.

so the thing is Roger Ver probably wants to make clear the issue, so he can make a strategy on bitcoin. simple thought.

Again due to bad quoting I could understand the above part.No Roger Ver just wants to store those bitcoins in his ass while coming up with all the bullshit opinions on how to make bitcoins better.As Gmax said,if he'd be actually interested in dong something helpful,he'd donate 1/3 of what he has to the core developers.Every scene as dramatic cunt in it,Roger Ver is for Bitcoin.

[Carlton Banks]

He's also good friends with another dubious "freedom" outfit: the Liberty Radio Network (who have a history of making bizarre mistakes during "liberty" activism, e.g. recently they were excommunicated from a local "liberty" organisation for advocating sex with children)

That's quite a charge. He needs to respond to it.

Entirely true, search "Ian Freeman Free State Project pedophile" and then search "Roger Ver Ian Freeman Free Talk Live", and the evidence will be nice and high in the results.

I'm generally skeptical of Randian libertards, as I have yet to meet one who would actually want to live in the world they argue for. Recently I challenged my local neighborhood libertard in a thought experiment. Since he always says "private property is the foundation of wealth and modern capitalism", I told him that logically he would favor a world where EVERYWHERE is private property. He bit this hook, and hilarity ensued...

I quite like the philosophy, they're essentially coming at political philosophy from the right angle, even if it's extreme to the point of fetishism. It sometimes goes totally bonkers though, like suggesting that babies owe their mothers rent for time spent in the womb, and I'm not entirely convinced that concurrently competing governance within a given area wouldn't end up with a similar outcome to today, but with all the death and theft just meted out in several different ways. But when you consider the escalating trend of technology replacing so much human involvement and decision making (gubermint jobs inclusive), waning government influence seems a natural by-product anyhow. Reality isn't going to take much convincing if it turns out we don't really need these bureaucrats, it will simply happen naturally.

[iCEBREAKER]

He's also good friends with another dubious "freedom" outfit: the Liberty Radio Network (who have a history of making bizarre mistakes during "liberty" activism, e.g. recently they were excommunicated from a local "liberty" organisation for advocating sex with children)

That's quite a charge. He needs to respond to it.

I'm generally skeptical of Randian libertards, as I have yet to meet one who would actually want to live in the world they argue for. Recently I challenged my local neighborhood libertard in a thought experiment. Since he always says "private property is the foundation of wealth and modern capitalism", I told him that logically he would favor a world where EVERYWHERE is private property. He bit this hook, and hilarity ensued...

So you stumped him with the old "BUT ZOMG WHO WILL BUILD THE ROADS?" canard?

Rand got a lot more right than she got wrong.  And I love how she is still able to give Marxists painful allergic reactions, causing them to wail upon contact with Objectivism.

Would you want to live in a world where EVERYTHING is public property?

[TheMage]

and why should Laudas opinion matter.
he doesnt know C++. and has never read a line of bitcoin code.

he loves core, he really loves blockstream and he thinks segwit is the perfect dream unicorn he had always wished for as a kid... just a shame that its not actually working as a bitcoin feature right now so all of them 'segwit is perfect' mantras are useless, because so far its not even part of bitcoin, and still in testing on its own altcoin.

even when it is implemented as part of bitcoin, it wont become active for many many more months. so dont expect any logical capacity increases any time soon.. only expect delays, excuses and fairy tale dreams of perfection.

What an asinine statement. There are a quite a number of individuals within the crypto ecosystem that contributes a tremendous amount without knowing C++ or core. I personally have not done any coding in years and couldnt right now even if you asked, but that doesnt stop me from contributing.

Roger Ver is "Bitcoin Jesus"!
Everyone knows that.

https://www.google.com/#q=roger+ver+bitcoin+jesus

I've always personally loathed this apparent self given title. My only comment about Rodger since this thread is about him is that yes he may have done some good in the past, but his personality and actions speak as an opportunist (which in today's age is 90% of crypto users it seems). He's in it mainly for himself, and investments are really about ROI.

Because Roger Ver is among those a few people that really understand bitcoin's potential. Programmers seldom look away from their technical worries, they care about how the car works, but are not able to see where the car is going

The blocksize debate is not a technical issue, it exposed several long existing problem of bitcoin: Mining centralization, development centralization and lack of consensus based decision making mechanism regarding protocol change. And what core programmer is doing is to make these problems worse, their solutions create more and more centralization incentive, especially in R&D. If bitcoin is centralized in the hands of a few guys, government and law enforcement will take down them in a couple of hours, then the whole system will just collapse like e-gold or liberty reserve

You just said its not a technical issue, then proceeded to list a number of technical issues (along with socioeconomic issues). It is in fact a technical issue, but its crosses multiple disciplines in science and engineering in order to resolve. Honestly the discipline that is best equipped to come up with a solution (or at least point it in the right direction) would be a systems engineer.

I dont disagree with your last statement.....well entirely at least. The only thing I would add is that regardless of what people may say there needs to be some level of centralization to guide people in order for the system to work effectively. Otherwise there would mass chaos with millions of crypto users using multiple version of Bitcoin core, each one syncing up with their own blockchain.

[chennan]

the only thing i know is that Ver and guys like him get rich some million dollars more with this recent bitcoin pump

most of us hoarders dont actually bother checking the price that regular anymore. im pretty sure Ver doesnt check it more then once a day or week... definitely not more then once a day.


knowing Vers hoard is based on 2011-2013 prices he knows he is in profit no matter what small price drama happens, 10% swings are meaningless.. so are 1% swings
we would all go insane if we were to be checking it regularly to see one minute its $550,000 hoard, next minute its $548,000 next minute its $552,000

so overall. the price drama is meaningless on the short term

Also, it makes since that is the case because of the fact that he held out on his stash for so long.  If he were to have jizzed his pants at the fact that it went up to $10 a while ago and sold everything, he wouldn't have the fortune he has acquired today... I guess lesson to be learned is that if you believe in something you gotta stick to your guns.

[dooglus]

Also, it makes since that is the case because of the fact that he held out on his stash for so long.  If he were to have jizzed his pants at the fact that it went up to $10 a while ago and sold everything, he wouldn't have the fortune he has acquired today... I guess lesson to be learned is that if you believe in something you gotta stick to your guns.

Exactly this. As a result he didn't gain a million dollars in the recent price increase. That would only be the case if he sold his BTC for USD. And why would he do that if he believes in the future of Bitcoin?

[bitpop]

Ver is a clown who pumps eth on r/btc

[alani123]

Roger Ver bought into Gavin's marketing fad from the time that XT was still a thing. His statements indicate that he geniounely believes that a bigger block size is the only solution to the scalling problem and that it would open up bitcoin for mass adoption. To me, this mindset sounds like fud mixed with massive euphoria, definitely not in touch with reality. From Ver's recent goofs, it became obvious that he doesn't even know how bitcoin transactions work, and even went as far as to advocate for feeless transactions... It's not worth your while to take this guy seriously.