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June 02, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
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It looks like he's just making shit up to try and save this $1 billion dollar fugazi now.  Why he's wrong:

Why proof of stake has no value:

Since Satoshi did not solve the Byzantine generals problem, this means confirmations are completely arbitrary.  So why are two confirmations more useful in Bitcoin (PoW) than one?  Because it's an open entropy system where over a period of time, it's either unlikely or statistically impossible for someone to maintain a monopoly on block validation when there's no upper limit to confirmations.

Recursive systems like proof of stake tend to permanently monopolize block validation by design, with no real fault or state recovery to fix it once it goes off the rails.  The act of introducing interest compounds this problem even more.  This makes a proof of stake confirmation essentially worthless due to being a bounded entropy system.

On top of being worthless, proof of stake is also a permissioned ledger.  The purpose of mining in Bitcoin is to create a permanent decentralized exchange peg, which thus results in a permissionless system.

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June 02, 2016, 07:51:58 PM
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R0ach scrapping the bottom of the barrel now folks. Nothing to see here.

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June 02, 2016, 08:58:32 PM
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Quite logical continuation around this person.
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Vitalik is fortunate he's got big money behind him otherwise Ether would have already imploded.
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June 02, 2016, 11:22:37 PM
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June 02, 2016, 11:36:12 PM
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Cool imagine. The cockroaches may scuttle but Ethereum keeps rising.

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June 03, 2016, 12:08:08 AM
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Many comments from the peanut gallery but can anyone actually disprove what r0ach has mentioned about Proof of Stake etc...?
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June 03, 2016, 12:30:29 AM
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Many comments from the peanut gallery but can anyone actually disprove what r0ach has mentioned about Proof of Stake etc...?

Lots of proof regarding PoS being garbage.  Years of proof. 
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June 03, 2016, 01:03:11 AM
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Many comments from the peanut gallery but can anyone actually disprove what r0ach has mentioned about Proof of Stake etc...?

Most ppl don`t care nor understand, his explanation is logical to me, but here many are heavy invested in over pumped ethereum and will write FUD to defend their investment

Let say one group hold 51% and we must be sure they does, with 72M premined ICO, anyone else think they have no full control, the ethereum concept would not be offered to banks if its not like this

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June 03, 2016, 02:35:09 AM
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Many comments from the peanut gallery but can anyone actually disprove what r0ach has mentioned about Proof of Stake etc...?

Lots of proof regarding PoS being garbage.  Years of proof. 

Years of proof?  or  Years of opinion?

It all comes down to which compromises you want to accept and your definition of "decentralization".

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Years of proof?  or  Years of opinion?

It all comes down to which compromises you want to accept and your definition of "decentralization".

The best top devs seem to agree on this. 
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Years of proof?  or  Years of opinion?

It all comes down to which compromises you want to accept and your definition of "decentralization".

The best top devs seem to agree on this. 

demonstrate the POS in a state of compromise then :: PROOF it

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June 03, 2016, 06:44:31 AM
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Many comments from the peanut gallery but can anyone actually disprove what r0ach has mentioned about Proof of Stake etc...?

You seem to be new to this forum and don't know that r0ach is just a trader who understands nothing in tech he pumps and dumps, his memory is not good enough to parrot someone's words (trying to look smart, like in his quote in the OP) without distorting the text. If you asked him to explain that statement in his own words you would get a big portion of bullshit, nothing else can be expected from r0ach.
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June 03, 2016, 08:02:08 AM
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Why is this scamming ? he is expressing his views on the POW and POS, if you don't like what he says don't support his ETH and state your views, let the people think for themselves.

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June 03, 2016, 08:06:50 AM
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so ETH will change from POW to POS ? maybe comeback to POW again ?  Undecided
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June 03, 2016, 08:17:33 AM
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Many comments from the peanut gallery but can anyone actually disprove what r0ach has mentioned about Proof of Stake etc...?

Lots of proof regarding PoS being garbage.  Years of proof.  

Years of proof?  or  Years of opinion?

It all comes down to which compromises you want to accept and your definition of "decentralization".

Decentralized means what we all think it means..
The only people bluring the lines are the ones pushing the boundary of the meaning of the term.
In other words those that are trying to shoe horn things NOT decentralized into being viewed as such.

As the guy said before you they are FUD'ing to protect their investment..
But with YOU i suspect your just a contrarian (Look it up on Wikipedia)

Roach is right and he has not been proven wrong and you all simply threw some shit out to cause a diversion
avoiding what he said (because you can not disprove he statement(s))

And i match your lame attempt at a meme here ETH losers with my own..

Vitalitik Butterin + his greedy moronic ETH shill scam ICO token minions
=
Google Image search... "Pied Piper.jpeg"

Go search for the picture yourself.... i can't be bothered doing the work for you idiots.

I win loser dregs.. gonna meme ? step up your game losers.
Know what league your in douche nozzles.

And i think his little presentation is simply his attempt to bury his way deeper
with more convoluted tech talk.. that is how he gets you douche bags to follow him around.
Ethereum has already been decimated in every way.
It was launched unfairly and manipulated by a group with a massive P&D + hype campaign.
And we all agree it was probably by the ETH team themselves..

After all how in gods name did Butterin get his hands on millions of dollars worth anyway ?
Simple read page 1 of my ETH + Scam topic i made in 2014 ..that shows you right there !
So of course it was the dev team / partners (in crime) doing it.

ICO scam.. what more do you need to know ?

Ohh yea i forgot to mention..
It's not even a currency LOL
It's a Blockchain implementation with a ICO tokens thingy mabobber tacked on.
ETH fuel tokens + D"APPS" have fuck all to do with making a new currency that will get adopted.
It's simply a scheme to produce Bitcoin profits.
Much like URO the piss coin  Cheesy

I have no idea how or why you clowns even push on with all this pathetic ETH bullshit.
You really don't want to give up do ya losers ?

Oh and by the way..

Did Spoetnik's "FUD" put a stop to your "Used by Microsoft" campaign of fraud ?
Seems a ton of you would not shut up about that scammy lies..
And now you never hear one word of it.. or the similar IBM scam lies bit.
I put a fork in your gay ass's and ended your mouthy bullshit.
I have time stamped logs showing i predicted in advance too
that a pile of other coins would copy cat that scam angle and they did !
then..
You guys never mentioned it again around here ..complete silence.
Which is odd because..
I had pointed out 100's of pg's on Polonibox where you all lined up with your spam army with all that.
I also had caught it early on and tried to inform people but was swiftly mouthed off
and banned by the scammers who run Poloniex.
And i told those cunts word for word.. they are mad because i'm messing with their victims they groom.
(by telling them the truth about Microsoft + IBM using ETH)
I can't prove the staff there are behind any coins but i have watched them clearly
Supporting them aggressively.. for a buck $$$
The may not be the pedophile but they are watching as the kid gets diddled.
No less a crime in my books.

Anyway.. Butterin is a scammer idiot fucktard, you couldn't pay me to listen to that crack head.
Sorry "Meth" head ..you can tell by the acne and his weight.

..go buy Butterin more mETH tokens and acne cream you idiot shitcoin'ers  Roll Eyes
He still needs to dump MORE than he already admitted to LOL

ETH shitheads are pathetic losers that make me laugh  Cheesy

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June 03, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
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Many comments from the peanut gallery but can anyone actually disprove what r0ach has mentioned about Proof of Stake etc...?

Lots of proof regarding PoS being garbage.  Years of proof.  

Years of proof?  or  Years of opinion?

It all comes down to which compromises you want to accept and your definition of "decentralization".


...ETH losers...
...his greedy moronic ETH shill scam ICO token minions...
...you idiots....
...I win loser dregs...
...step up your game losers...
...douche nozzles...
...you douche bags....
...dev team / partners (in crime)...
...ICO scam...
...the piss coin...
...you clowns...
...pathetic ETH bullshit...
...ya losers...
...campaign of fraud...
...scammy lies...
...scam lies bit...
...I put a fork in your gay ass's...
...your mouthy bullshit...
...scam angle...
...spam army...
...scammers who run Poloniex...
...those cunts...
...the pedophile...
...Butterin is a scammer idiot fucktard...
...that crack head...
..Sorry "Meth" head...
...by the acne and his weight...
...acne cream...
...you idiot shitcoin'ers...
...ETH shitheads...
...pathetic losers...
that make me laugh  Cheesy


I feel sorry for you my friend.
You seem in dire need for help.


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June 03, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
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Lol talk to me about monopoly after the btc halving. When two Chinese mining farms have over 51% of the  network hashrate. Ill take my chances with POS. BTC was a fucking experiment laughed at by many and it will soon be broken. POW was never going to last forever, not while being decentralized

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Self moderated thread huh.  Very mature.

What a gay bastard

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