selling Bitcointalk accounts shouldn't be allowed..

[defcon23]

i really think about selling Bitcointalk accounts shouldn't be allowed ..  these kind of deals encourage scams , spam signatures, etc..
from a while now we can see marketplace section of the forum spamed with these kinds of offers, and i think this desserve Bitcointalk comunity...

once again , it's just a personal feeling , but i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one thinking in this way ..
sure, selling accounts is allowed by the forum rules.. but at my humble opinion, it shouldn't.

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[cryptoheadd]

I totally agree.
Mostly all of the sold accounts are either used for sig spamming or scams.

[redsn0w]

Trade of bitcointalk.org forum accounts will never be 'banned', it's not about 'should not be allowed' ... it's about that the staff isn't a police station and it's work is moderate the forum content.

[BitHodler]

I also don't like accounts getting sold but whatever we do or say, it will continue as it's not against the forum rules.

I personally can't understand that some one is really willing to sell an account for very cheap as it cost so much time to build it up.

Well, we can't do anything about it. Just don't spend much attention to it when you see account sale threads. Just skip them.

[koshgel]

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

[Lauda]

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

That point does stand, however the situation would be different. When you think about it, right now there is nothing stopping you from involving in these trades (there are no 'risks', apart from possibly getting scammed by either the buyer or seller). In the case where account sales were disallowed (a bannable offense) there would be no more sales on the forum (they'd have to try to engage in these trades somewhere else) and now a certain risk factor would be present (anyone who gets caught doing account sales would be permanently banned). This would reduce the amount of trades by a noticeable amount.

[CryptoBrother]

ofc it should be allowed. people need high ranked accounts for sig money making.
don't cry op baby. jest deal.

[defcon23]

ofc it should be allowed. people need high ranked accounts for sig money making.
don't cry op baby. jest deal.

yeah ... good exemple !  : that's precisely against this kind of trolls ( like you ), than sales of account  shouldn't be allowed ...  you're a great ( perfect ) exemple what  i want say..
thank you  

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

That point does stand, however the situation would be different. When you think about it, right now there is nothing stopping you from involving in these trades (there are no 'risks', apart from possibly getting scammed by either the buyer or seller). In the case where account sales were disallowed (a bannable offense) there would be no more sales on the forum (they'd have to try to engage in these trades somewhere else) and now a certain risk factor would be present (anyone who gets caught doing account sales would be permanently banned). This would reduce the amount of trades by a noticeable amount.

  yeah Lauda.. this make sense.. indeed.

[Evildrum]

The real question is why a topic like this is not closed and merged with the others that are currently active!
Seems to be what is done on other topics in the forum or we driving a optic campaign to make it appear like a issue is more dire?

The flawed thinking is one begots the other when it comes to selling of accounts,signature spam and scamming.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

ofc it should be allowed. people need high ranked accounts for sig money making.
don't cry op baby. jest deal.

yeah ... good exemple !  : that's precisely against this kind of trolls ( like you ), than sales of account  shouldn't be allowed ...  you're a great ( perfect ) exemple what  i want say..
thank you  

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

That point does stand, however the situation would be different. When you think about it, right now there is nothing stopping you from involving in these trades (there are no 'risks', apart from possibly getting scammed by either the buyer or seller). In the case where account sales were disallowed (a bannable offense) there would be no more sales on the forum (they'd have to try to engage in these trades somewhere else) and now a certain risk factor would be present (anyone who gets caught doing account sales would be permanently banned). This would reduce the amount of trades by a noticeable amount.

  yeah Lauda.. this make sense.. indeed.

I'm sorry, did that really make sense to you?  Lol

Fuck account sales.  It should be a permaban offense.  In lieu of that, buyers and sellers should get painted by DT members.

[Lauda]

The real question is why a topic like this is not closed and merged with the others that are currently active!

I do agree that there are quite the number of threads on this subject already. Report it and see what happens.

I'm sorry, did that really make sense to you?  Lol

Why would it not make sense? Should I clarify once more? Here: Currently there is no risk when you are engaging in account trades as you are free to do so. You might get marked by a DT member if you get caught, but that is all. In the case where account sales are bannable, anyone who engages in trades risks getting a permanent ban. It's as simple as that?

It should be a permaban offense.

I wouldn't mind that.

[Bit_Happy]

I've never bothered to make extra accounts, but the thought did cross my mind.
This forum is an interesting experiment in free markets, and the results are not always pretty.
"Let the children play"

[poptok1]

There should be a mechanism that resets (deletes) the positive trust only, when password and email for the account are changed during 24h window.
This simple gimmick would help to solve scam possibility problem. Of course to some extent but still.
However I don't see anything wrong in dealing with accounts. Those higher level ones are really hard to score so they have to be worth something.
And as to spamming, this eventually is spotted and eradicated by campaign managers, and sometimes by users themselves as some campaigns offer bounty for reporting spammers.
Point out the luck in my logic if you care    

[koshgel]

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

That point does stand, however the situation would be different. When you think about it, right now there is nothing stopping you from involving in these trades (there are no 'risks', apart from possibly getting scammed by either the buyer or seller). In the case where account sales were disallowed (a bannable offense) there would be no more sales on the forum (they'd have to try to engage in these trades somewhere else) and now a certain risk factor would be present (anyone who gets caught doing account sales would be permanently banned). This would reduce the amount of trades by a noticeable amount.

Badbear has said that pushing the account trades outside the forum would be more apt to scamming. You would reduce seeing account trades on the forum but I don't think that would stop account sales or minimize it that much.

[Quickseller]

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

That point does stand, however the situation would be different. When you think about it, right now there is nothing stopping you from involving in these trades (there are no 'risks', apart from possibly getting scammed by either the buyer or seller). In the case where account sales were disallowed (a bannable offense) there would be no more sales on the forum (they'd have to try to engage in these trades somewhere else) and now a certain risk factor would be present (anyone who gets caught doing account sales would be permanently banned). This would reduce the amount of trades by a noticeable amount.

This would also have a lot of unintended consequences.

It would cause the prices of accounts to fall dramatically, which you will say is a good thing, but you will fail to consider the fact that this will make it cheaper for a scammer to attempt to scam with a purchased account and will lower the threshold that a scammer will need to steal before buying an account will be NPV positive for a scammer.

If a purchased account is going to get banned once it is found out that it is purchased then it will quickly have zero value. The problem with this is that this will encourage people to scam with a purchased account because if they are caught trying to scam, then the negative trust they will receive will likely have zero effect on the value of the sold account. As it stands now, if you buy an account, use it for whatever honest purpose then you can potentially resell it for something of value, and if the account gets negative trust then it will lose that value.

It will cause people to become more complacent and trusting of established accounts, which would make it easier for scammers into tricking people into sending btc/things of value without taking any kind of precautions.

All of the above will also encourage people to scam via buying accounts, which will only exaggerate the above problems. 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

That point does stand, however the situation would be different. When you think about it, right now there is nothing stopping you from involving in these trades (there are no 'risks', apart from possibly getting scammed by either the buyer or seller). In the case where account sales were disallowed (a bannable offense) there would be no more sales on the forum (they'd have to try to engage in these trades somewhere else) and now a certain risk factor would be present (anyone who gets caught doing account sales would be permanently banned). This would reduce the amount of trades by a noticeable amount.

This would also have a lot of unintended consequences.

It would cause the prices of accounts to fall dramatically, which you will say is a good thing, but you will fail to consider the fact that this will make it cheaper for a scammer to attempt to scam with a purchased account and will lower the threshold that a scammer will need to steal before buying an account will be NPV positive for a scammer.

If a purchased account is going to get banned once it is found out that it is purchased then it will quickly have zero value. The problem with this is that this will encourage people to scam with a purchased account because if they are caught trying to scam, then the negative trust they will receive will likely have zero effect on the value of the sold account. As it stands now, if you buy an account, use it for whatever honest purpose then you can potentially resell it for something of value, and if the account gets negative trust then it will lose that value.

It will cause people to become more complacent and trusting of established accounts, which would make it easier for scammers into tricking people into sending btc/things of value without taking any kind of precautions.

All of the above will also encourage people to scam via buying accounts, which will only exaggerate the above problems. 

Typical loggorhea from quickscammer.  By this logic there would be less monetary incentive to farm accounts, and that is a good thing.  But we don't really know until it happens, do we?  And until then, as I have argued before,  account buyers and sellers should be negged till it hurts.

[_Miracle]

I would prefer accounts not be sold or transferred as well.
Realizing that accounts can be sold, changed the way I viewed the forum.

[Fraxinus]

There's no way around it either way,so it's not worth discussing.Account selling will always be an active topic and there will be people buying and selling accounts,either here or somewhere else.That's the current state.

[Baby Rage]

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

even if the mods could make the sale of an account extremely difficult. That would just hike up the price of the accounts and make them far more sought after.

[ndnh]

Realizing that accounts can be sold, changed the way I viewed the forum.

Yeah

This topic is brought up way too often and the conclusion is that admins/mods can't stop the black market trade of these accounts.

even if the mods could make the sale of an account extremely difficult. That would just hike up the price of the accounts and make them far more sought after.

which will reduce sales and bring the cost up for scammers. I say, yeah