selling Bitcointalk accounts shouldn't be allowed..

[ndnh]

Exactly. That's a pointless argument (do people sell their e.g. 'FB accounts' when they need money? Hint: No.).

People who farm FB accounts sell them. There is a significant market for FB accounts, especially FB pages that have lots of likes.

example:
https://buyaccs.com/en/buy-bulk-facebook-accounts.php

Just like they sell bitcointalk accounts. There is a huge difference there.
People buy and sell FB accounts, bct accounts, and just about everything.

The argument is, do they sell it because they need money? (Money in the sense an urgent need of cash) If I know anything, it is done sort of as a "business". Farming activity here = getting likes on FB, then selling it.

None of my friends in RL have ever considered selling their FB accounts lol. Would you sell your personal fb account?

[Lauda]

(do people sell their e.g. 'FB accounts' when they need money? Hint: No.).

While I do agree with you, this is a moot point since it has happened on the forum in the past.

People who farm FB accounts sell them. There is a significant market for FB accounts, especially FB pages that have lots of likes.
example: https://buyaccs.com/en/buy-bulk-facebook-accounts.php

You both got it wrong. Read:

None of my friends in RL have ever considered selling their FB accounts lol. Would you sell your personal fb account?

There is a huge difference between selling your personal Facebook account and farming up likes and whatnot (e.g. accounts with a few thousand "friends") and selling pages. I was referring to the first one. Do you just go out there and sell your personal FB account when you need cash? You don't.

[greyhawk]

There is a huge difference between selling your personal Facebook account and farming up likes and whatnot (e.g. accounts with a few thousand "friends") and selling pages. I was referring to the first one. Do you just go out there and sell your personal FB account when you need cash? You don't.

Perhaps Facebook isn't the best example, because FB has a real name policy and also if you sold your personal FB account then your friends would obviously know it was sold and the account would not be worth much, also if it was reported there is a high chance of the account being banned and you may not want your real name associated with the account after it was sold. But people sell their personal accounts on social media websites where they primarily interact with people they don't know in real life, Twitter is a prime example.

[ndnh]

There is a huge difference between selling your personal Facebook account and farming up likes and whatnot (e.g. accounts with a few thousand "friends") and selling pages. I was referring to the first one. Do you just go out there and sell your personal FB account when you need cash? You don't.

Perhaps Facebook isn't the best example, because FB has a real name policy and also if you sold your personal FB account then your friends would obviously know it was sold and the account would not be worth much, also if it was reported there is a high chance of the account being banned and you may not want your real name associated with the account after it was sold. But people sell their personal accounts on social media websites where they primarily interact with people they don't know in real life, Twitter is a prime example.

Facebook accepts "Baggins" as a last name and even doesn't allow some real names (unless they verify their names iirc).
Anyway guess why that policy is there?

The suggestion is whether bitcointalk should take a similar policy to discourage all these farming and selling. (different policy because bct is not a RL social media website rather a bitcoin forum).

I don't see why Facebook is not a good comparison in this respect. Facebook may take action against buying/selling, proposing that bitcointalk can consider the same.

Do I have an FB account?
Yes.
Do I plan to sell my FB account?
No.
Have I bought my FB account?
No.
Have I bought any FB account?
No.

Same as what we expect an ideal bitcointalk member to answer.

Do I have an bct account?
Yes.
Do I plan to sell my bct account?
No.
Have I bought my bct account?
No.
Have I bought any bct account?
No.

[JesusHadAegis]

But its one way of making money,, maybe there are other questions is, Must transactors involve should have a link on there facebook or other social media accounts. That way we can see if its honest and serious it is more secured and more trust-able that people font want to risk there info with simple scams. Accounts must be at least 1 year old. With many friends. And i think there should be a special way to make an account for dealers. So its easy to identify if its legit or not.

Thats just my opinion. We all know people call always "bend" the rules.

[ancestralport]

But its one way of making money,, maybe there are other questions is, Must transactors involve should have a link on there facebook or other social media accounts. That way we can see if its honest and serious it is more secured and more trust-able that people font want to risk there info with simple scams. Accounts must be at least 1 year old. With many friends. And i think there should be a special way to make an account for dealers. So its easy to identify if its legit or not.

Thats just my opinion. We all know people call always "bend" the rules.

Maybe one per account. Its true but i can just copy a pic from someones fb then use it as mine. Its easy now to fake many things. Even the transac history can sometimes be faked.. mine only is that we should just trade with people who got positives trust but i think rare to see them selling accounts. Maybe one per account

[greyhawk]

Facebook accepts "Baggins" as a last name and even doesn't allow some real names (unless they verify their names iirc).

Once enough people report you (for anything, not just having a fake name), then you will be asked to provide Facebook your ID. It has happened to me countless times. It is a Facebook policy that you use your real legal name. https://www.facebook.com/help/112146705538576

If you're having trouble entering a name, change your country, language to one that uses that name and then change it back afterwards. That works most of the time.

I don't see why Facebook is not a good comparison in this respect. Facebook may take action against buying/selling, proposing that bitcointalk can consider the same.

Well for one, all of this is in vain as FB accounts are still farmed/bought/sold. And the other is facebook is a RL social media as you call it, very different situation to bitcointalk where a lot of people are anonymous and an identity could change hands without many noticing. People would notice if you sold your FB account right?

[minifrij]

But its one way of making money

It is. So is identity theft. Should that be allowed as well?

Must transactors involve should have a link on there facebook or other social media accounts. That way we can see if its honest and serious it is more secured and more trust-able that people font want to risk there info with simple scams. Accounts must be at least 1 year old. With many friends.

Not to mention how easy it is to buy a Facebook Account with many friends (it was discussed literally 3 posts before yours), what if a member doesn't use social media? Would they have to sign up for it, gain a lot of friends/follows and wait for a year before they could perform any transactions on this forum? If they didn't want to do this, what would stop them posting some random Facebook user's account and pretending it was them?
In addition to this, one of Bitcoin's main principles is that it is anonymous. This is then ruined if everyone has to post all of their personal information just to do something as simple as transact using it.

So its easy to identify if its legit or not.

The account being legit doesn't necessarily mean the user posting it being legit. I am this Facebook user, can I transact now and be trusted?

Thats just my opinion.

You obviously didn't think it through very well. Hope you enjoy your signature payment!

mine only is that we should just trade with people who got positives trust

You should just trade with people you trust after looking at their history on the forum and evaluating their behavior/trade history. Relying on any other factor to make a judgement for you has the possibility to go very wrong (even with personal evaluation it can still go very wrong, see Master-P).

but i think rare to see them selling accounts.

If you're talking about people selling accounts with positive trust, it happens more than you would expect. It is disgusting.

People would notice if you sold your FB account right?

It would depend on how well you went about hiding you buying it.

[ndnh]

Facebook accepts "Baggins" as a last name and even doesn't allow some real names (unless they verify their names iirc).

Once enough people report you (for anything, not just having a fake name), then you will be asked to provide Facebook your ID. It has happened to me countless times. It is a Facebook policy that you use your real legal name. https://www.facebook.com/help/112146705538576

If you're having trouble entering a name, change your country, language to one that uses that name and then change it back afterwards. That works most of the time.

I don't see why Facebook is not a good comparison in this respect. Facebook may take action against buying/selling, proposing that bitcointalk can consider the same.

Well for one, all of this is in vain as FB accounts are still farmed/bought/sold. And the other is facebook is a RL social media as you call it, very different situation to bitcointalk where a lot of people are anonymous and an identity could change hands without many noticing. People would notice if you sold your FB account right?

That is right. I agree with everything. I don't say bitcointalk.org should do that and allow people to use only their legal names lol.

Just suggesting if FB is doing something to prevent it, bitcointalk can too. Granted it won't be 100% effective. But it gives a better impression on the forum.
Two years ago, I was genuinely surprised when I found that account sales aren't officially restricted. To anyone new, it could give a message that it is accepted in the community^[1].

Similarly, there could be additional measures like allowing users to be reported (if there is sufficient reason to believe that the account is purchased/sold, or the owner has undergone a rather sudden change of personality) and even displaying 'the password has been changed recently warning' in a more visible place.



^[1] I agree that not restricting does not mean encouraging, but the difference is when you expect something to be restricted and when you realize it is not being restricted and there are no rules against the same, it gives the impression of being a completely ordinary and 'okay to do' activity.

Right now, if an activity farmer gets away with it, the sale is almost guaranteed.

Disclaimer: I don't have first hand experience in trading accounts. This is just what I think and my opinion. As an ex-campaign manager, I have a reasonable idea on how buying/selling accounts affect spam.



Trading accounts is discouraged. I think we could go one more step.