I need a help with user "InBitsWeTrust"

[ramadeda]

Hello all
I sent to this user 2 bars of palladium and 1 bar of Rhodium more or less 2 weeks ago. Brt tracking code is 08448006426626
We make an agreement, when I give him the tracking code he tell that he sent me 2 btc and the other 2.15 btc when he got the pack.
Then Btc value has started to grow and this user start to tell me that 1 of the bar pack was not sealed properly and before to pay he wanted to analyze that bar. I say, ok, analyze and then send me my btc. Then, excuses after excuses, he postpone the analisys and finally after more or less 10 days he write me "Can I ship back the bars? The cost for shipping is 60 euro!!".
So now, I don't have any btc and any bars. Yesterday I wait for the tracking code and nothing, and today I think that will be the same.
I really need this money in this period, I know that bars are not fake (I give him the contact of the seller and related serial number) but he act like a baby and I don't know how to have back my goods now.
I have his adresse and his facebook profile.

My question is, if during this week I'll not receive my tracking code and my bars, is there here a lawyer or something else that for 0.5Btc could help me to have back my bars?

I hope that this is the right section to write, if not, please move it in the correct one.

Any help will be appreciated

Thanks a lot!

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[Fortify]

This is why everyone recommends using escrows. You really shouldn't have sent without at least a down payment - especially if he is promising to send right after a tracking number is sent. Not that you should have to, but have you tried renegotiating the price since bitcoin has moved so much over the last few weeks? You obviously had a $ amount in mind for each bar, so what is the btc equivalent of that right now?

Point the user to this thread and state you'll publish their personal details along with the scam complaint if it is not resolved by a specific date (soon). You have already paid the postage fee one way, if they don't want to pay for the bars they have to pay for the fees to get it back to you.

[ramadeda]

Hello, yes, at the end I said him to send me only 3 btc for all (that is less than the value) but nothing, he say that he can't verify the bars (and the days before he can because he say that 60km from his home there was a store that can do that)

I'll send him the link of the page.

P.s. a lawyer from this forum just wrote me a pm and he want to help me, thanks guys, you're a great community!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Open a proper scam accusation here and leave him negative trust.  And don't be careless next time with not using escrow and such. 

[james.lent]

P.s. a lawyer from this forum just wrote me a pm and he want to help me, thanks guys, you're a great community!

Just be careful as that lawyer might just be another  scammer waiting to skim you. Don't think any lawyers can help you to get those bars back. If you have the address then its better that you hire some collectors instead.

[Moneroman88]

P.s. a lawyer from this forum just wrote me a pm and he want to help me, thanks guys, you're a great community!

Just be careful as that lawyer might just be another  scammer waiting to skim you. Don't think any lawyers can help you to get those bars back. If you have the address then its better that you hire some collectors instead.

I can only agree here. A real lawyer would not contact you on this forum unless he is a crook and wants to scam you too. Good luck for you OP, the pest of scammers really is hard to bear. I hope you get your property back.

[ramadeda]

The lawyer is a full member, ThirstyMoon.
What do you mean with "a collector"?

Thanks you all

[merelcoin]

The lawyer is a full member, ThirstyMoon.
What do you mean with "a collector"?

Thanks you all

I have looked trough this user's post history, and searched for "law"... couldn't find a single hit.
This does not mean that it's impossible he's a lawyer, he might be one but just never mentioned it in any thread.
His feedback looks OK.

reference:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=635030
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=635030
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=635030;sa=showPosts

This being said: i'm not a lawyer, but i guess a lawyer could only practice law in the country where he's registered? (i'm not sure about this, but i seriously doubt a US lawyer would be any good in an EU based dispute?).

I'd consider following james.lent's advise, and search somebody reliable from the same country of InBitsWeTrust, sell him the debt so he can go to InBitsWeTrust's home and physically ask him to pay his debt. I'm not sure if this is legal tough, so you might want to ask somebody for advice before selling somebody's personal info.

[ThirstyMoon]

Sorry for any mix-up. I initially contacted OP, while thinking they were both from the UK.

After that I received from OP nonsensitive info regarding that the alleged culprit is from another country in the European Union.

There are usually ways to contact the country's law enforcement in order for them to issue a search warrant, but as you all know crypto currencies are not something looked well upon.

In resume, I can do my best remotely, but it's indeed better to find a lawyer residing in the culprit's country.

[ramadeda]

I'd consider following james.lent's advise, and search somebody reliable from the same country of InBitsWeTrust, sell him the debt so he can go to InBitsWeTrust's home and physically ask him to pay his debt.

Someone never use this method? Someone from Lithuania could suggest me someone?

P.s. he just wrote me that today he will post the tracking number, so I'll keep you updated. Another thing, I trust him less than 0 so I have to analyze bars where they come back for be sure that he doesn't replace my bars with fakes bars (p.s. I have pictures and video of bars did before the shipping so I have some proofs)

Thanks

P.s. a particular thanks to ThirstyMoon

[bitbollo]

I'd consider following james.lent's advise, and search somebody reliable from the same country of InBitsWeTrust, sell him the debt so he can go to InBitsWeTrust's home and physically ask him to pay his debt.

Someone never use this method? Someone from Lithuania could suggest me someone?

P.s. he just wrote me that today he will post the tracking number, so I'll keep you updated. Another thing, I trust him less than 0 so I have to analyze bars where they come back for be sure that he doesn't replace my bars with fakes bars (p.s. I have pictures and video of bars did before the shipping so I have some proofs)

Thanks

P.s. a particular thanks to ThirstyMoon

This "method" is not properly a method, and even if some one use another identity you can make a double error.
So You make a bad error, ramadeda, trust an user without "any proof" for 4 btc!
Yes ok you have a physical address and then? This is not "a collateral" nor an "escrow".
People scam for 1$ why trust another one for 4 btc ?!

[ramadeda]

This "method" is not properly a method, and even if some one use another identity you can make a double error.
So You make a bad error, ramadeda, trust an user without "any proof" for 4 btc!
Yes ok you have a physical address and then? This is not "a collateral" nor an "escrow".
People scam for 1$ why trust another one for 4 btc ?!
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I know man, I was a fucking stupid, but when you need money you became stupid unfortunately.
I saw the other post of this guy and I saw that he made some good business here, for that I give trust to him.
Hope that today he will post the tracking number and I'll receive my bars back without problem. I'll make a video when the bars come back and if I will see something strange I'll post it here.
Fortunately now I solve my money problem, so now I will able to buy a flight to visit Lithuania if it will be necessary, maybe for speak with the local police. If I was stupid, and I'm doing business on the web from a lot of year, other people could have problem and I want to avoid that, I hate these things!

[ramadeda]

I can't see any tracking code here and in Italy it's abot midnight. I will wait until tomorrow then I'll send all the data of this man to you ThirstyMoon

Thanks for the support and have a nice night

[ramadeda]

Ok guys, it's official, this guy is a scammer. After 2 days no tracking code and no response.
I already have the help of ThirstyMoon but from what I understud he's located in Uk, so, if there are some people from Lithuania here, I will offer 0.5 Btc to anyone that could help me to find this person, help me to get back my bars, and put him in front of the law. In addiction I could offer a trip to Venice with a free stay in my apartment for 3 days.
I can live without this money but I'll do that I can do to stop scammer like him.

Feel free to Pm me for more info

Have a nice night,
Ramon

[ramadeda]

IMPORTANT: Keep attenction, this guy bought other account on this forum. If you got a mail from lenikaskestutis@googlemail.com or lenikaskestutis@gmail.com contact me to help me to collect more data possible on this scammer

[merelcoin]

IMPORTANT: Keep attenction, this guy bought other account on this forum. If you got a mail from lenikaskestutis@googlemail.com or lenikaskestutis@gmail.com contact me to help me to collect more data possible on this scammer

Can you tell us which account he bought, preferably with some proof. That way a DT might be able to tag his new account to.

[ramadeda]

IMPORTANT: Keep attenction, this guy bought other account on this forum. If you got a mail from lenikaskestutis@googlemail.com or lenikaskestutis@gmail.com contact me to help me to collect more data possible on this scammer

Can you tell us which account he bought, preferably with some proof. That way a DT might be able to tag his new account to.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1476755.msg14888755#msg14888755

[merelcoin]

IMPORTANT: Keep attenction, this guy bought other account on this forum. If you got a mail from lenikaskestutis@googlemail.com or lenikaskestutis@gmail.com contact me to help me to collect more data possible on this scammer

Can you tell us which account he bought, preferably with some proof. That way a DT might be able to tag his new account to.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1476755.msg14888755#msg14888755

Aah, indeed, there is proof he bought an account, but it's impossible to know which one. Luckily it was only a potential member account

[teddy5145]

IMPORTANT: Keep attenction, this guy bought other account on this forum. If you got a mail from lenikaskestutis@googlemail.com or lenikaskestutis@gmail.com contact me to help me to collect more data possible on this scammer

Can you tell us which account he bought, preferably with some proof. That way a DT might be able to tag his new account to.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1476755.msg14888755#msg14888755

Aah, indeed, there is proof he bought an account, but it's impossible to know which one. Luckily it was only a potential member account

Maybe we can ask the seller nicely which account he gave to InBitsWeTrust
I'm sure he would love to prevent another scam attempt in the future
The seller is still active and reachable, after that we can ask DT to tag the ID

[TECSHARE]

OP, in the future FYI, I do escrow for a 1% fee, and I am well versed in metals trading. Sorry to hear about your loss. With high value items it is always a good idea to use escrow.