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March 07, 2013, 06:12:40 PM
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How can a bunch of small deposits be transferred when they exceed the file size allowed by bitcoin qt ?

a million transfers of .0000001btc ?
transfers of too small a fraction are not allowed either  Cry

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March 07, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
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How can a bunch of small deposits be transferred when they exceed the file size allowed by bitcoin qt ?

a million transfers of .0000001btc ?
transfers of too small a fraction are not allowed either  Cry

Add funds to the wallets.
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March 07, 2013, 06:21:44 PM
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and just how does that correct the problem ??

you still have the .25 btc of .000005 peices in your wallet and now more bit coins
but you still can't do anything with the ,.25btc of small pieces

How can a bunch of small deposits be transferred when they exceed the file size allowed by bitcoin qt ?

a million transfers of .0000001btc ?
transfers of too small a fraction are not allowed either  Cry

Add funds to the wallets.

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March 07, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
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How can a bunch of small deposits be transferred when they exceed the file size allowed by bitcoin qt ?

You can compose a transaction manually using Raw Transactions  (but make sure you know what you are doing ... and spend every bit of the input except for whatever you want to go as fees otherwise the miner gets the unspent balance).  Make sure to pay sufficient fees (e.g., 0.001 for or much more if the size exceeds 10K).   Then you will want to wait until that transaction gets included in a block before you use the change from that transaction  in any other transaction.
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Raw_Transactions

It isn't normal to end up with a whole lot of these miniature payments.  So you probably want to consider whatever actions are causing you to end up with them and consider if that activity is worth the pain caused.

Another approach would be to export just the private keys for Bitcoin addresses you have with any amounts above a threshold (e.g., 0.0002 BTC) (worth about a penny) and then import just those into a new, empty wallet.   There still might be dust transactions associated with those, but other addresses with a balance below a penny would no longer be harming you.

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March 07, 2013, 07:04:46 PM
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thats kind of what I thought
but were do you get the rawxfer app ?? and whats its syntax ??
the writeup in the link is as clear as mud


How can a bunch of small deposits be transferred when they exceed the file size allowed by bitcoin qt ?

You can compose a transaction manually using Raw Transactions  (but make sure you know what you are doing ... and spend every bit of the input except for whatever you want to go as fees otherwise the miner gets the unspent balance).  Make sure to pay sufficient fees (e.g., 0.001 for or much more if the size exceeds 10K).   Then you will want to wait until that transaction gets included in a block before you use the change from that transaction  in any other transaction.
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Raw_Transactions

It isn't normal to end up with a whole lot of these miniature payments.  So you probably want to consider whatever actions are causing you to end up with them and consider if that activity is worth the pain caused.

Another approach would be to export just the private keys for Bitcoin addresses you have with any amounts above a threshold (e.g., 0.0002 BTC) (worth about a penny) and then import just those into a new, empty wallet.   There still might be dust transactions associated with those, but other addresses with a balance below a penny would no longer be harming you.


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March 07, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
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So you probably want to consider whatever actions are causing you to end up with them and consider if that activity is worth the pain caused.

You can bet that activity is gambling. Just look at the OP's signature: is participating and actively promoting a ponzi scheme. XD

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March 07, 2013, 07:16:47 PM
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THANKS for your NON help
that real solved the problem
fyi its 2-3 yrs of receiving free mico-coins online
so far it;s cost me almost 1btc spending all the micro free bits

anything paying less than 3 decmial place (.001) is promoting a screw job

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So you probably want to consider whatever actions are causing you to end up with them and consider if that activity is worth the pain caused.

You can bet that activity is gambling. Just look at the OP's signature: is participating and actively promoting a ponzi scheme. XD

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March 07, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
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anything paying less than 3 decmial place (.001) is promoting a screw job


Going forward remember this statement above. 

Here's about the only profitable way to spend these transactions:

Take your 1 BTC payment and your .0000002 payment.  When you want pay someone .03 BTC make a transaction that draws from the 1BTC and the .00000002 payment and pays out the .03 and the .97000002 as change then your .00000002 is incorporated into an input you can spend.  Repeat when you want to send some one .05 btc and you'll have .92000004.  If the coins are old you can get away with no fee.  If the coins are new then there will still be a fee but it won't be more because of the extra input.   

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March 07, 2013, 07:43:58 PM
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I don't think so
I think the .03   is taken from the 1btc
and the .00000000002 and .97 remain ib your wallet

after time you end up with lots of small pieces


anything paying less than 3 decmial place (.001) is promoting a screw job


Going forward remember this statement above. 

Here's about the only profitable way to spend these transactions:

Take your 1 BTC payment and your .0000002 payment.  When you want pay someone .03 BTC make a transaction that draws from the 1BTC and the .00000002 payment and pays out the .03 and the .97000002 as change then your .00000002 is incorporated into an input you can spend.  Repeat when you want to send some one .05 btc and you'll have .92000004.  If the coins are old you can get away with no fee.  If the coins are new then there will still be a fee but it won't be more because of the extra input.   

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March 07, 2013, 08:05:41 PM
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So what is the max file size for the wallet allowed by bitcoin qt ?
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March 07, 2013, 08:41:36 PM
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Bitcoin wasn't designed with satoshi dice's various spams  in mind. That being said, you have two options that I see.

Export the private keys and import them all to one wallet. Send another bitcoin or two to this wallet and then send the whole amount to an address generated by bit address.org or similar.

Or you could send 0.1 bitcoins to all the wallets in question and then send all of those amounts to a generated address. Might cost more in fees.

Or maybe we could just stop spamming the blockchain with a goddam game. Just a thought.
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March 07, 2013, 08:52:31 PM
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Which part of you can't transfer those fractional pieces don't you understand ?
adding to the wallet does nothing for the pieces problem
you still have all those pieces in your wallet


quote author=Severian link=topic=150291.msg1597479#msg1597479 date=1362688896]
Bitcoin wasn't designed with satoshi dice's various spams  in mind. That being said, you have two options that I see.

Export the private keys and import them all to one wallet. Send another bitcoin or two to this wallet and then send the whole amount to an address generated by bit address.org or similar.

Or you could send 0.1 bitcoins to all the wallets in question and then send all of those amounts to a generated address. Might cost more in fees.

Or maybe we could just stop spamming the blockchain with a goddam game. Just a thought.
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March 07, 2013, 09:04:06 PM
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It sounds like just another way that satoshi dice takes coins.

Bitcoin wasn't designed with satoshi dice spam in mind. There's no warranty in either Bitcoin or SD so what's the problem?
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March 07, 2013, 09:06:59 PM
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At this point all I can see is every time you receive btw
transfer them to MtGox maybe adding a fraction of a btw to what you send and use all those XXXX pieces to pay the transfer fee

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March 07, 2013, 09:10:15 PM
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JUST wher do you see anything about " satoshi dice" in this thread !!!!!

Speculating and off topic comments ARE NO HELP


It sounds like just another way that satoshi dice takes coins.

Bitcoin wasn't designed with satoshi dice spam in mind. There's no warranty in either Bitcoin or SD so what's the problem?

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March 07, 2013, 09:20:16 PM
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As has already been pointed out, there are only 2 financially reasonable ways combine all that dust into a single output:

You can either learn how to create raw transactions, send a single large value transaction to the wallet, and then use raw transactions to repeatedly sweep up the dust until it's all gone.

Or

You can import all the private keys to MtGox.  Let them take care of sweeping the addresses into their combined wallet, and then send a single transaction back to your wallet at the same value as the total of all the dust.

Since MtGox does not pay transaction fees when sweeping bitcoins from an imported private key, it may take a long time for some of the swept bitcoins to confirm.
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March 07, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
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JUST wher do you see anything about " satoshi dice" in this thread !!!!!

Speculating and off topic comments ARE NO HELP


It sounds like just another way that satoshi dice takes coins.

Bitcoin wasn't designed with satoshi dice spam in mind. There's no warranty in either Bitcoin or SD so what's the problem?

Your scrounging for tons of "free coin" sites are basically the same as satoshi dice dust spam and is the reason you've having these problems.

You're effectively picking up pennies from the ground for years and then plunking down a big bucket of loose change and wondering why it's difficult to spend your money.

Your choices are limited and all of them will probably require paying a significant transaction fee to consolidate your dust. Or you could just print out your wallet keys and put it in a safe place for another time and create a whole new wallet.
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March 07, 2013, 09:28:02 PM
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RESTATING the obvious is another very helpfull comment   
NOT !!!

I know what caused the problem SOWHAT

this thread is about how to correct it



JUST wher do you see anything about " satoshi dice" in this thread !!!!!

Speculating and off topic comments ARE NO HELP


It sounds like just another way that satoshi dice takes coins.

Bitcoin wasn't designed with satoshi dice spam in mind. There's no warranty in either Bitcoin or SD so what's the problem?

Your scrounging for tons of "free coin" sites are basically the same as satoshi dice dust spam and is the reason you've having these problems.

You're effectively picking up pennies from the ground for years and then plunking down a big bucket of loose change and wondering why it's difficult to spend your money.

Your choices are limited and all of them will probably require paying a significant transaction fee to consolidate your dust. Or you could just print out your wallet keys and put it in a safe place for another time and create a whole new wallet.

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March 07, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
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as I said earlier raw xfer is the way

can anyone just point me to he rawxfer app

As has already been pointed out, there are only 2 financially reasonable ways combine all that dust into a single output:

You can either learn how to create raw transactions, send a single large value transaction to the wallet, and then use raw transactions to repeatedly sweep up the dust until it's all gone.

Or

You can import all the private keys to MtGox.  Let them take care of sweeping the addresses into their combined wallet, and then send a single transaction back to your wallet at the same value as the total of all the dust.

Since MtGox does not pay transaction fees when sweeping bitcoins from an imported private key, it may take a long time for some of the swept bitcoins to confirm.

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March 07, 2013, 09:32:16 PM
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just a quick question which probably isn't going to help the OP directly.  

Is this problem due to the wallet design or is it due to the way that the block is designed?

Would it be possible to transfer them all to one new wallet without paying a fee?

The reason I'm asking is that while these micro payments are a pain now, if the value keeps going up as expected, these tiny payments are going to be worth something and could well become the usual value people have in their wallets - unless the wallets can't handle such small values - best find a solution now before it becomes a major issue!


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