IBM takes a leap to 7nm

[Mr. Kashif]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2946124/ibm-reveals-worlds-first-working-7nm-processor.html

Whao! When I was reading this I only had one thing in mind. How efficient our miners will be with this advancement. Hats off IBM.

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[Prelude]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

[dogie]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Or it becoming worthwhile for any manufacturer to stump up what, $10M to have a go at 7nm.

[Mr. Kashif]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Well, thinking about it in an optimistic way. If someday in a year or two if we get to see some hardware running on Asic boost as well as 7nm tech. It'll be like next level of efficiency in mining and network hashrate of aboth 10Eh/s. But only if IBM is generous enough to share some details on their 7nm. 

I really hope from the bottom of my heart that this happens.

[dropt]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Or it becoming worthwhile for any manufacturer to stump up what, $10M to have a go at 7nm.

Meh, people have been claiming this since BTC asics first showed up.  It took just over 3 years to go from 130nm to 14/16nm.   This space is so full of retards I think it's quite possible someone is going to start working on 7nm as soon as tools are available.

[RocketSingh]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Well, thinking about it in an optimistic way. If someday in a year or two if we get to see some hardware running on Asic boost as well as 7nm tech. It'll be like next level of efficiency in mining and network hashrate of aboth 10Eh/s. But only if IBM is generous enough to share some details on their 7nm. 

I really hope from the bottom of my heart that this happens.

That would be the ultimate form of mining centralization. Hope that never happens. Because IBM will never open source their design.

[Mr. Kashif]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Well, thinking about it in an optimistic way. If someday in a year or two if we get to see some hardware running on Asic boost as well as 7nm tech. It'll be like next level of efficiency in mining and network hashrate of aboth 10Eh/s. But only if IBM is generous enough to share some details on their 7nm. 

I really hope from the bottom of my heart that this happens.

That would be the ultimate form of mining centralization. Hope that never happens. Because IBM will never open source their design.

Indeed centralization is an issue but still, it can restore home mining to an extent.

[dogie]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Or it becoming worthwhile for any manufacturer to stump up what, $10M to have a go at 7nm.

Meh, people have been claiming this since BTC asics first showed up.  It took just over 3 years to go from 130nm to 14/16nm.   This space is so full of retards I think it's quite possible someone is going to start working on 7nm as soon as tools are available.

That's a terrible example. How long did it take us to actually release 16nm after it was 'available' and even after everyone announced their chips, 18 months?

[Mr. Kashif]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Or it becoming worthwhile for any manufacturer to stump up what, $10M to have a go at 7nm.

Meh, people have been claiming this since BTC asics first showed up.  It took just over 3 years to go from 130nm to 14/16nm.   This space is so full of retards I think it's quite possible someone is going to start working on 7nm as soon as tools are available.

That's a terrible example. How long did it take us to actually release 16nm after it was 'available' and even after everyone announced their chips, 18 months?

A year max. 

[dogie]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Or it becoming worthwhile for any manufacturer to stump up what, $10M to have a go at 7nm.

Meh, people have been claiming this since BTC asics first showed up.  It took just over 3 years to go from 130nm to 14/16nm.   This space is so full of retards I think it's quite possible someone is going to start working on 7nm as soon as tools are available.

That's a terrible example. How long did it take us to actually release 16nm after it was 'available' and even after everyone announced their chips, 18 months?

A year max. 

It was late 2014 when companies started announcing chips to arrive early 2015. It was May 2016 by the time we had public delivered 14/16nm.

[sidehack]

And how long between when the first foundry announcements of "16nm is possible" and the first actual marketable chips coming down the line? There was a thread on here a year ago about IBM moving into 7nm. How long is it going to take to make it work once they solve the problems with 10nm, which will probably come after they figure out how to make 14/16 more reliable for mass production?

[dogie]

And how long between when the first foundry announcements of "16nm is possible" and the first actual marketable chips coming down the line? There was a thread on here a year ago about IBM moving into 7nm. How long is it going to take to make it work once they solve the problems with 10nm, which will probably come after they figure out how to make 14/16 more reliable for mass production?

[Unacceptable]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Well, thinking about it in an optimistic way. If someday in a year or two if we get to see some hardware running on Asic boost as well as 7nm tech. It'll be like next level of efficiency in mining and network hashrate of aboth 10Eh/s. But only if IBM is generous enough to share some details on their 7nm. 

I really hope from the bottom of my heart that this happens.

That would be the ultimate form of mining centralization. Hope that never happens. Because IBM will never open source their design.

Indeed centralization is an issue but still, it can restore home mining to an extent.

Wow,how the hell will this help home miners?? You think you will be able to buy these as soon as they are made?? Or even be able to afford them??

Think again,ONLY Bitmain & Avalon are dumb enough to sell to home miners,all others are doing what with ANY miners they make??

Lets see...what are they doing....what are they doing....Oh selling to the highest "bidder" or self mining,thats right..................

[Mr. Kashif]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Well, thinking about it in an optimistic way. If someday in a year or two if we get to see some hardware running on Asic boost as well as 7nm tech. It'll be like next level of efficiency in mining and network hashrate of aboth 10Eh/s. But only if IBM is generous enough to share some details on their 7nm. 

I really hope from the bottom of my heart that this happens.

That would be the ultimate form of mining centralization. Hope that never happens. Because IBM will never open source their design.

Indeed centralization is an issue but still, it can restore home mining to an extent.

Wow,how the hell will this help home miners?? You think you will be able to buy these as soon as they are made?? Or even be able to afford them??

Think again,ONLY Bitmain & Avalon are dumb enough to sell to home miners,all others are doing what with ANY miners they make??

Lets see...what are they doing....what are they doing....Oh selling to the highest "bidder" or self mining,thats right..................

Bruh! I'd like to answer your query with just one quote. "In an era of mining gold openly. The one who earns the most is the one who sells the shovel." Hope this helps you understand what I'm trying to say.

[jwinterm]

7nm is wild, especially when we're talking the size of nm is around 8 atoms in size (based off hydrogen atom), technology continues to impress me.

This is really impressive. On these dimensions you start to get to the point where the doping of the silicon in the channel is provided by a single phosphorous atom, and the electron's wave function is delocalized over the entire device. So, not exactly quantum computing, but kind of quantum computing.

[philipma1957]

well 10nm bleed/leak at the moment due small walls so to speak.

7nm will be worse.

intel's  14nm cpus overheat and fail more then the previous generation

so asic mining will not be doing 7nm anytime soon.

no one knows how good the 14-16 nm are yet.

no less the 10nm 

then the 7nm

we had 28nm from bitmantech twice  the s-5 then the s-7  .

So s-5 release was Nov 2014

S-9 release was June 2016 that is 19 months

same clock would be Jan 2018  for the 10nm

same clock would be Sept 2019 for the 7nm

So For now I worry about the s-9's coming to me on tues the 14th of june

[NotFuzzyWarm]

7nm is wild, especially when we're talking the size of nm is around 8 atoms in size (based off hydrogen atom), technology continues to impress me.

This is really impressive. On these dimensions you start to get to the point where the doping of the silicon in the channel is provided by a single phosphorous atom, and the electron's wave function is delocalized over the entire device. So, not exactly quantum computing, but kind of quantum computing.

If ya read the entire article and the link to the more detailed Ars Technica http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/ one you will find that they are not using just Si.

"Creating a working 7nm chip required moving past pure silicon, IBM revealed. IBM—working with GlobalFoundries, Samsung, SUNY Polytechnic Institute, and others—carved the transistor channels out of silicon-germanium (SiGe) alloy in order to improve electron mobility at such a small scale. Intel has also said 10nm will be the last gasp for pure silicon chips."

Along those (Intel) lines, from the same Ars Technica article, " Earlier this week, a leaked document claimed that Intel was facing difficulties at 10nm and that Cannonlake (due in 2016/2017) had been put on hold. In theory, 7nm should roll around in 2017/2018, but we wouldn't be surprised if it misses that target by some margin."

[toptek]

Nice, but we're years away from seeing that in a miner.

Or it becoming worthwhile for any manufacturer to stump up what, $10M to have a go at 7nm.

Meh, people have been claiming this since BTC asics first showed up.  It took just over 3 years to go from 130nm to 14/16nm.   This space is so full of retards I think it's quite possible someone is going to start working on 7nm as soon as tools are available.

they all ready have someone in the bitfury post about chips  posted a paper on it and  the tools are there it won't be long, I guess long is a mater of terms or how one see time.


or above my post he posted it ,

[philipma1957]

7nm is wild, especially when we're talking the size of nm is around 8 atoms in size (based off hydrogen atom), technology continues to impress me.

This is really impressive. On these dimensions you start to get to the point where the doping of the silicon in the channel is provided by a single phosphorous atom, and the electron's wave function is delocalized over the entire device. So, not exactly quantum computing, but kind of quantum computing.

If ya read the entire article and the link to the more detailed Ars Technica http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/ibm-unveils-industrys-first-7nm-chip-moving-beyond-silicon/ one you will find that they are not using just Si.

"Creating a working 7nm chip required moving past pure silicon, IBM revealed. IBM—working with GlobalFoundries, Samsung, SUNY Polytechnic Institute, and others—carved the transistor channels out of silicon-germanium (SiGe) alloy in order to improve electron mobility at such a small scale. Intel has also said 10nm will be the last gasp for pure silicon chips."

Along those (Intel) lines, from the same Ars Technica article, " Earlier this week, a leaked document claimed that Intel was facing difficulties at 10nm and that Cannonlake (due in 2016/2017) had been put on hold. In theory, 7nm should roll around in 2017/2018, but we wouldn't be surprised if it misses that target by some margin."

Yeah I read intel had 10nm issues big time.

Frankly the i5 6600k  with 14nm  was my first ever intel cpu to fail .. I did a bit of research and it seems to have overheating issue more so then prior generations.

My gut feeling is  14/16 nm will be around longer then prior chips.

and that we may stop at 10nm    not 7nm .

or skip 10nm altogether  and jump to 7nm as the alloy will be better.

but I am not a chip guy you are.

[jwinterm]

I didn't actually read the article and was just kind of talking outta my ass 

I actually thought Intel was already using SiGe for their chips in production now, and that for future nodes they were considering III-Vs for the n-channel and pure Ge for the p-channel.