Are AD campaigners killing Bitcointalk.org ?

[mki8]

Right first things first, i have nothing against someone using their signature for ads, or the forum allowing it.

BUT
i am against people just posting generic replies just for the sake of their ad campaigns.
people just posting same old crap with nothing being informative or helpful
and then these comments just drown the forum in so much dribble that helpful or informative replies cannot be found

The sites admin obviously are not concerned at the moment, as they would lose a lot of traffic if they stopped users running ad campaigns.

but do you wish that people just posting generic replies just for their ads, should be banned.
or maybe admin could charge a membership fee for users to use their signatures for ads

something does need to be done soon,
as it is really becoming a joke how many pointless replies are here

[mki8]

I think that they are killing the forum. People are just talking complete bullshit and I am not exception. But barely anyone would be on this forum if there weren't signature campaigns.

My point exactly, i think it wont be long until bitcointalk is 100% full of ad campaigners,
which will not be good for the forum in the long run,
as people will just lose interest
and if campaigns are all PPI (sorry not looked at type as not concerned)
they will soon change to PPC only
and with no real users here, no ads will get any clicks
and if campaigns are a split of future profits, i dont see why so many think quantity is better than quality in terms of placement
it makes no sense just posting comments just to have more ads plastered somewhere where people are not clicking anyway

its better to have 1 ad (in prime location) that 100 people click,
rather than 100 ads that only 1 person clicks

[mki8]

It's not killing Bitcointalk.org it's a give and take relationship if you ask me. We agree that most of the people here specially the new ones are here for the signature campaign, they want to be paid for their posts, they want to earn. They are being paid Bitcoins and with that, it somewhat helps promote use of Bitcoin to those who don't know the existence of Bitcoin. If they are being paid in USD then its not helping the Bitcoin community.

what they are being paid in is irrelevant

i am speaking about quality of content, over 90% of posts here are just generic dribble
it does not help anyone if any helpful or informative replies are just drowned in a swamp of dribble

can you explain how you get paid PER post ?

such tedious low paid time consuming work does not interest myself so i have had no reason to look into such details,
also if i did have any interest i would not look here for ad placement, but would place ads in much more promonent places where there would also be less competition from other affiliates running the same ads
please do explain the payment structure offered so those of us not interested in campaigns have a clearer understanding,
also how much have you actually earned from how many posts ?

[AGD]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1485646.0

[mki8]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1485646.0

Please explain what the link is for when posting

You can ALREADY ignore users comments by adding them to your ignore list

There is one user that has a big ignore list you can copy
(someone already posted link on your thread)

but all it does is blank out the comment and ads
so you still to go through pages of blanked comments to find helpful replies
which makes it a bit pointless,
they need to add feature to just hide the ignore user completely

Problem you also see is your thread was quickly lost, as ad campaigners not want to post replies,
as they would show how pointless their replies are
(and maybe the fact you started thread in meta section, but i assume the sig ad abuse is site wide here anyway)

[mki8]

That is why some campaign admins do not pay posts with useless contents.

Please explain exactly how you get paid PER post ?

I cannot recall ever coming accross a PPI affiliate system,
if some sites are doing this now, it will be short lived, as PPI can easily be abused,
so it would make no sense to have PPI for your affiliates

[mki8]

If your posts are useless, then you become an untrusted poster.
If you are an untrusted poster, your signature will appear untrusting too.
That is why some campaign admins do not pay posts with useless contents.

That is NOT explaining how you get paid PER post.

User trust only applies to trades here and not post content.
If it did i would be a very busy person.

[mki8]

I think that they are killing the forum. People are just talking complete bullshit and I am not exception. But barely anyone would be on this forum if there weren't signature campaigns.

My point exactly, i think it wont be long until bitcointalk is 100% full of ad campaigners,
which will not be good for the forum in the long run,
as people will just lose interest
and if campaigns are all PPI (sorry not looked at type as not concerned)
they will soon change to PPC only
and with no real users here, no ads will get any clicks
and if campaigns are a split of future profits, i dont see why so many think quantity is better than quality in terms of placement
it makes no sense just posting comments just to have more ads plastered somewhere where people are not clicking anyway

its better to have 1 ad (in prime location) that 100 people click,
rather than 100 ads that only 1 person clicks

I agreee but somehow those who runs ad campaigns are getting more strict with their rules, nullifying those incompetent replies, even banning those ad participant who just spam with non-sense replies.  but somehow as what lemipawa said, it helps the forum somehow by bumping threads and most of those who help out  newbies with their queries are ad campaign participant too. Just like what my reply do to this thread (bumping it) . It is a give and take relationship (mutualism) as the thread being bumped by campaigners, answering queries of newbies and campaigners being paid on the other side.

and this

Problem you also see is your thread was quickly lost, as ad campaigners not want to post replies,
as they would show how pointless their replies are
(and maybe the fact you started thread in meta section, but i assume the sig ad abuse is site wide here anyway)

BUT still nobody is explaing how you get paid per impression/post

also someone tell me how much have you actually earned from ads HERE

One other problem is really, there is nothing really much to talk about that we dont already know,

bumping threads dont help as threads are just full of dribble so if a newbie wants to find an answer they need go through pages of dribble.
most of the questions here are just pointless and usually posted by ad campaigners just so they can reply.

Once you actually know what bitcoin is in a general sense, any news is pretty slow, so the forum is just filled with dribble questions and dribble answers, and even good threads are usually repeated again and again as the first thread on a specific topic is drowned in dribble.

Bitcointalk (and its users) really needs to learn that sometimes less is more.

[mki8]

what they are being paid in is irrelevant

It's relevant because more and more people will be using Bitcoins if Bitcoins will be used as a pay option.
More people using means more people are aware of Bitcoins, no need to go out and hire a good face to introduce Bitcoins to a stranger.

i am speaking about quality of content, over 90% of posts here are just generic dribble
it does not help anyone if any helpful or informative replies are just drowned in a swamp of dribble

If you think the posts that you see are just spam and just trying to increase post count you can always report that to the moderator by hitting that link in the right screen that says "Report to Moderator" and let the moderator delete the post that you think is useless or shitty. Or search for the signature campaign thread and report to the campaign manager so the campaign manager will not count that post that you reported.

can you explain how you get paid PER post ?

Here is the signature campaign thread of betcoin.ag an there you can see how much campaign promoters are being paid https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508097.0

such tedious low paid time consuming work does not interest myself so i have had no reason to look into such details,

I don't mind if the pay is low, I don't mind if the campaign manager will pay me for this post, signature campaign is not my bread and butter. I don't post because I want to earn, I post because I want to share my thoughts. I even received messages from the campaign manager for not meeting the minimum number of posts in a month. No one is forcing you to be interested with signature campaigns.

also if i did have any interest i would not look here for ad placement, but would place ads in much more promonent places where there would also be less competition from other affiliates running the same ads

Where have you been? As far as I know Bitcointalk.org is the best platform to introduce a Bitcoin related product or else there would be no ads in this forum.

please do explain the payment structure offered so those of us not interested in campaigns have a clearer understanding,
also how much have you actually earned from how many posts ?

I thought you are not interested to such a low paying, time consuming work so why ask me to explain to you and how much I actually earned is none of your business.

i find most info elsewhere myself, if you think bitcointalk is informative you may want to use google for other sites
again no clear staement of how ad campaigners are paid by PPI
not even giving an estimate or minimum of earning shows its minor,
i can go use my time to read all affiliate details if i please but my time is worth more than that
the link you provided is not about how much people are being paid but what a constructive post is
reporting posts to site admin does nothing, as they will lose most site traffic if they took any action

again, just typing a lot without saying much

[mki8]

If your posts are useless, then you become an untrusted poster.
If you are an untrusted poster, your signature will appear untrusting too.
That is why some campaign admins do not pay posts with useless contents.

That is NOT explaining how you get paid PER post.

User trust only applies to trades here and not post content.
If it did i would be a very busy person.

They do not allow posts like "thanks", "I agree", or other short and non-sense content.
They are also not accepting users who have low-quality posts.
An example is the sign I am wearing right now.

You can take a look at the thread of my sign campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=907271.0

Thanks for showing how much people are paid,
yes i understand typing, i agree or thanks or short replies get pulled etc.
but most of the replies are just the same but with more words
the reply itself has nothing more to offer and could have been written as a simple I agree
this is the point i am getting at

and really the money being offered...........
unless you are working now for when you cannot later in life then its worthless
if you spend of the satoshis earned within next ten years the reward really does not justify the time spent clogging up the forum with dribble.
it sort of reinforces my opinion that many users here are just kids running such campaigns as they cannot yet earn in real world.
as much easier and less time consuming to just buy what you would earn, as $0.005 per post is just not worth it, unless you hold the btc for 10 years and then maybe
it will be good to see how these campaigns evolve after this halving and in future
i do like the fact that the one u mention has a max of 35 posts per week
but i assume most will max that every week which would mean 30-35 dribble posts
and then i assume they just switch campaign

[mki8]

Dude you just have to deal with it, you can't have the world the way you want it to be. For example, I don't particularly enjoy being with people at parties or family gatherings because of what you call dribble. I'm not interested in talking about the weather or random stuff just for the sake of making conversation but there is nothing to be done about it lest I become a super Hitler and execute every dribbler out there, unfortunately that might well include every human on earth. You just have to deal with it. Add the dribblers to your ignore list, that way you won't see their comments. Simple.

You are speaking like i dont understand the world in which we live lol

i do understand most people just talk dribble all day long mate, and i dont care to listen too

but this site has an owner and admin, and they should realize there is EXCESSIVE dribble here,
with many replies made just for ad campaigns,
the replies are mostly generic and have nothing helpful at all
ok a forum would always have its fair share of dribble
but a forum needs a strong community, which this forum lacks as it is drowned in dribble

If you also actually read the threads comments, instead of just your quick reply to get ad impression,
you would have read i already stated the ignore list is somewhat useless,
as you still need to search through pages of ignored comments to find any useful replies.

[mki8]

If your posts are useless, then you become an untrusted poster.
If you are an untrusted poster, your signature will appear untrusting too.
That is why some campaign admins do not pay posts with useless contents.

That is NOT explaining how you get paid PER post.

User trust only applies to trades here and not post content.
If it did i would be a very busy person.

I already tried to explain it but you deleted it.

All comments are clearly still visible,
and you can clearly see you did not explain anything (just like probably all your posts)

[mki8]

Right first things first, i have nothing against someone using their signature for ads, or the forum allowing it.

BUT
i am against people just posting generic replies just for the sake of their ad campaigns.
people just posting same old crap with nothing being informative or helpful
and then these comments just drown the forum in so much dribble that helpful or informative replies cannot be found

The sites admin obviously are not concerned at the moment, as they would lose a lot of traffic if they stopped users running ad campaigns.

but do you wish that people just posting generic replies just for their ads, should be banned.
or maybe admin could charge a membership fee for users to use their signatures for ads

something does need to be done soon,
as it is really becoming a joke how many pointless replies are here

Well. its business. you might not find bitcointalk a busy forum once you don't see users promoting businesses.
while all of us earns even just few bucks a day. you just have to live with it. imagine the worse thing that could happen so while we can get used to it. get used to it!

 hope you won't find this a generic responce.

i understand people running ads, i get it
but replying just for the sake of replying for your ad campaign is where the problem is as any helpful replies are lost
its a bit like my reply now
nothing helpful, i am just replying to bump thread, and also so i can remove ads but keep your comments

[mki8]

With signature campaigns the forums are not killed but they are given life, as I have saw another forum which was about to die sooner but with some signature campaigns when started it got life again .

doesnt give it life it gives it ads

as i already stated problem with bitcoin forums is that there really isnt that much news on a daily basis
hence the state questions and answers here

[mki8]

It is the duty of signature campaign manager that they keep an open eye on the posts of their campaign members and the moderators also have to note the activities of the posters, so it will be better for both the forum and for the advertisers.

Like i said bitcointalk need to realize less is more sometimes
or they could do with a lot more sticky threads that have already beeaned
so newbies looking for answers can find them


Also
seems one ad poster realized his ad would not be in this thread long so he deleted his own comment

[Semidetached]

Spamming is basically just one or two word sentences. People contributing rational thoughts is not spamming plus all the ad traffic really helps businesses and also the users who post.

[mki8]

it's the opposite, without signature this place would be as good as dead, they bring good traffis which is good

i like to call it traffic and not spammy, i don't see all that spam that people are complaining about, seriously apart from two 3 user that are clearly spamming

all the other are just posting their opinion, if you think that this is also spamming, then you are brain-lost

If you dont see the dribble you must be blind
yes this place would be very quiet without ad campaigners
which is why admin do nothing
but quality is better than quantity
so many posts could be shortened to yes, no, i agree/disagree, what he said etc.
but are just dragged out so the posters comment is seen as constructive (by bots usually just counting characters)

[mki8]

In the start I think it was being destroyed by the signature campaigns but no the managers are more active and keep check on all the posts they get from the posters and also they have now made good rules which are protecting the forum from being destroyed.

admin will only do so much as they also want to keep traffic

[mki8]

Signature Campaigns are helping the users to earn. But the problem is, sometimes the user replies on a thread without thinking if their post will be helpful or if it has sense, they are just thinking of their signature campaign However, I know it will reflect on their account's post quality. There are  also duplicate threads, just the same question asked using different words. But for all of these, I will let the mods and staffs to take the action. What can we do to help them is to not be like that. We must continue posting threads with the best of our knowledge or comment with our honest and helpful opinion.

i think sometimes could be stated as most of the time
so many replies are just generic responses, that could be shorted to 3 or less words
and many replies have no basis for opinion (when talking value, predictions etc.)

[mki8]

Do not generalize every single person here in the forum with ads in their signature space as the same. If you find someome whos just posting irrelevant posts, report it to a mod so they can do something with it. Some people does helps the community here even when they are advertizing. You can use the ignore button also if you don't want to see them. Afaik, there is also a plugin to disable signature in the forum, I can't rememer where to find it but there is someone who made it for people like you who don't want to see ads.

who is generalizing ??
if you read the POLL it states dribble replying

i have nothing against ads etc.
but people posting replies just for the sake of their ad campaign
admin will not take  will lose traffic