Please dont let bitcoinstore fail, your action is needed just about now.

[Mosper]

You asked for evidence and it is abundant enough that clicking a random page gave it to me. I am actually kind of stunned that you seem to not realize this is axiomatic.

You also only address the counter-point I made that cannot be addressed by finding one guy posting one thing on the forum.

So, thus far your mental armory consists of post hoc reasoning, personal attacks, and faulty logic.  Please, I encourage you to continue amusing me.

Also, I'd like to inquire about your signature.  Why say you are a bitcoin lobbyist when you neither understand nor support bitcoin?

I am legitimately stunned. I don't repeat myself for the sake of others inability to comprehend. Enjoy your ignorant bliss lol.

[mccorvic]

I am legitimately stunned. I don't repeat myself for the sake of others inability to comprehend. Enjoy your ignorant bliss lol.

Translation: Mad and can't defend position outside of quoting some guy one time.  Super rad. 

I can tell you, I'm not stunned at your inability to defend your position.  I'll accept that and expect you to no longer post the same arguments without additional evidence in this thread.

[Mosper]

How do you see yourself in the context of this conversation lol?

[NegativeNancy]

You asked for evidence and it is abundant enough that clicking a random page gave it to me. I am actually kind of stunned that you seem to not realize this is axiomatic.

edit: You're trolling right? You aren't actually THIS clueless?

Don't use words you don't understand. Your "theory" is immediately disproven by the fact that the bitcoinstore has already received over 200k USD in orders...ALL IN BITCOIN.
http://blockchain.info/address/1JqjoFF8QZwidrTbfnihGHDeu16pbLia1q

If you had actually read the thread instead of "randomly clicking" it, you'd know this.

You are excellent evidence for much more stringent newbie requirements.

[Mosper]

You asked for evidence and it is abundant enough that clicking a random page gave it to me. I am actually kind of stunned that you seem to not realize this is axiomatic.

edit: You're trolling right? You aren't actually THIS clueless?

Don't use words you don't understand. Your "theory" is immediately disproven by the fact that the bitcoinstore has already received over 200k USD in orders...ALL IN BITCOIN.
http://blockchain.info/address/1JqjoFF8QZwidrTbfnihGHDeu16pbLia1q

If you had actually read the thread instead of "randomly clicking" it, you'd know this.

You are excellent evidence for much more stringent newbie requirements.

How does that disprove anything I've said exactly? My lord some of you are dumb as rocks. This is amazing.

[Dargo]

I think getting goods and services exchanged in Bitcoin is important. Even pass-through services like this one are good because they add to the list of things that you can buy with BTC (= making BTC more useful and desirable = greater incentive for "pure" BTC transactions).

Unfortunately, I can't really help this particular site reach its goal, mainly because it doesn't seem to have anything I particularly want to buy.

I'd like to buy something too, but I'm having the same problem. I wonder how smart it is to have a Bitcoin store that only sells electronics. Yeah, Bitcoiners love electronics, but they also tend to be already loaded to the gills with electronics. For the things of type x that they sell, I either already have a thing of type x that I'm happy with and not looking to replace, or simply don't need that kind of x, or they don't have an x with the features I'm looking for. As much as I'd like to support this, I'm not going to just buy something I don't want or need to do so.

Otherwise, I don't have a problem with spending some coin into the rally, it's smart to take some profits along the way, and a great way to do this is just to buy some things you need rather than purchasing fiat. We *will* have some pullbacks along the way, so one will have an opportunity to replenish coins.   

[Herodes]

I'd like to buy something too, but I'm having the same problem. I wonder how smart it is to have a Bitcoin store that only sells electronics.

Roger Ver does electronics, it's what he's good at.

[Dargo]

I'd like to buy something too, but I'm having the same problem. I wonder how smart it is to have a Bitcoin store that only sells electronics.

Roger Ver does electronics, it's what he's good at.

So it's obviously smart from that standpoint. I was just thinking while I poked around the store that I'd probably have an easier time finding something to buy if it wasn't all electronics - I'm pretty well covered in that area. I need to buy a birthday gift soon though, so maybe I can find something for that.

[jubalix]

The http://bitcoinstore.com/ front page's counter puts them at 12% of the needed goal of 850k in sales during the first quarter, the goal is needed to keep them at their current pricing. It is by far the most ambitious push for bitcoins mainstream acceptance we have so far seen. I myself have bought 364$ worth of sdd hardrives. Recieved them and am pleased with how everything went. Im browsing to find something more I could use as we speak, but I can only do so mch. If you care about bitcoin, have some and need any electronics now is the time to act. The counter currently stands at 110,964 / 850,000$. They are beating all or nearly all their competitors in prices, simply because their profit margin stands at what normally goes to creditcard companies.

Seeing the counter as low as it is makes me sort of feel ashamed for this community. We really can and most certainly should do better.

[disclamer: the poster is in no way more affiliated with bitcoinstore than being a customer, who cares deeply about their venture succeeding.]

The time to act is now.

deeply concerned

- Isokivi

People are not about to start spending btc when it is going up like this...! or until it stabilizes

[Spaceman_Spiff]

The http://bitcoinstore.com/ front page's counter puts them at 12% of the needed goal of 850k in sales during the first quarter, the goal is needed to keep them at their current pricing. It is by far the most ambitious push for bitcoins mainstream acceptance we have so far seen. I myself have bought 364$ worth of sdd hardrives. Recieved them and am pleased with how everything went. Im browsing to find something more I could use as we speak, but I can only do so mch. If you care about bitcoin, have some and need any electronics now is the time to act. The counter currently stands at 110,964 / 850,000$. They are beating all or nearly all their competitors in prices, simply because their profit margin stands at what normally goes to creditcard companies.

Seeing the counter as low as it is makes me sort of feel ashamed for this community. We really can and most certainly should do better.

[disclamer: the poster is in no way more affiliated with bitcoinstore than being a customer, who cares deeply about their venture succeeding.]

The time to act is now.

deeply concerned

- Isokivi

People are not about to start spending btc when it is going up like this...! or until it stabilizes

I am not telling anything new here, but you realize you can just buy extra bitcoins when you spend them, right?

[J.Socal]

Heres my thoughts.Too much stuff.Keep it simple have a few items of each product. Like 1 page.I like to see reviews,so maybe post  links or something so we can see reviews on the product your selling.Make sure each product has 4-5 star reviews.Other stuff you might look into is sneakers,shoes.Jordan retro are a good line that always sell.

[Dargo]

I am not telling anything new here, but you realize you can just buy extra bitcoins when you spend them, right?

No because as soon as you part with some coins, for sure price will zoom up 50%!  

Though I must admit that I spent 50 BTC back when price was at $6, and now regretting that. But if I had bought them back shortly after, it would have been fine.

[Spaceman_Spiff]

I am not telling anything new here, but you realize you can just buy extra bitcoins when you spend them, right?

No because as soon as you part with some coins, for sure price will zoom up 50%!  

The trick is to buy them before you spend them  
I know, I know, my bitcoin-fu is strong  .

[BIGMERVE]

The trick is to buy them before you spend them  
I know, I know, my bitcoin-fu is strong  .

That's exactly what I did today.

[joecooin]

I have only read a quarter of the posts in this thread but that is enough for me to jump on the wagon, so therefore:

If I don't see hamburgers and beers being worth 10k of Euros in Bitcoin being sold at ROOM77 in Berlin in april I will shut the fucking place down.

And it is all going to be the fault of the community and you guys will feel guilty for the rest of your lifes for being the reason why Bitcoin failed. So you better move your butts over here and eat and drink like hell!

Got me!?

Joe

[silverfuture]

Those aren't necessarily going to offset nice and equal like that. It isn't even likely that the number of sales lost, due to value people are holding out for, will match up the value BTC actually lands at.

You have a couple things in your argument here:
1. You're working from the assumption that bitcoinstore is losing sales from customers not wanting to spend money due to "deflation".  Unless I missed it, you haven't provided any evidence of this outside of just saying that's the case.  It might seem right in your gut, but you are making the claim and thus need to provide some shred of evidence.  And no, you can't base your argument on pure speculation alone because that's not an argument.

2.  You are assuming people aren't smart enough to convert USD to BTC.  If I need to buy a computer and can save 10% value by buying from bitcoinstore with BTC over USD at amazon, I'll just buy some BTC with USD and then make the purchase.  I haven't bought a computer, but I have done this exact thing for other items from a variety of bitcoin stores. 

Well said. 

[Rincewind]

You are assuming people aren't smart enough to convert USD to BTC.  If I need to buy a computer and can save 10% value by buying from bitcoinstore with BTC over USD at amazon, I'll just buy some BTC with USD and then make the purchase.  I haven't bought a computer, but I have done this exact thing for other items from a variety of bitcoin stores.

Not that I want to be the one to pee in your Cheerios, but you do realize that a lot of people think paying 400% for a TV at a Rent-A-Center is a good deal because it's the only way they can fit a 60" Samsung into their budget without a line of credit. The average Joe Schmoe is just fine paying 150% for a PC upgrade at Best Buy because they don't even know NewEgg exists, let alone how to swap a hard drive or a video card.

I think you're really overestimating the average user.

As the prophet George Carlin once said, "Think of somebody you know that you would consider to be of average intelligence. If that's average, then realize that half the people in America are dumber than that."

[ab8989]

I find it quite funny that just after the great mccorvic-Mosper debate there comes several other posters to provide evidence to the case.

Dargo, jubalix, Spaceman_Spiff all pondering the issue of bitcoin increasing value and adjusting their behaviour with the purpose of not losing bitcoins in this situation.

I am fully confident they are all just trolling and saying stuff they don't really mean.

[mccorvic]

Not that I want to be the one to pee in your Cheerios, but you do realize that a lot of people think paying 400% for a TV at a Rent-A-Center is a good deal because it's the only way they can fit a 60" Samsung into their budget without a line of credit. The average Joe Schmoe is just fine paying 150% for a PC upgrade at Best Buy because they don't even know NewEgg exists, let alone how to swap a hard drive or a video card.

I think you're really overestimating the average user.

As the prophet George Carlin once said, "Think of somebody you know that you would consider to be of average intelligence. If that's average, then realize that half the people in America are dumber than that."

Well, I was taking the argument in context of potential bitcoinstore customers and not the world population in general.  Yes, people are unbelievably dumb and I know for a fact that many Americans can't tell the difference between a web browser and a rock.

I find it quite funny that just after the great mccorvic-Mosper debate there comes several other posters to provide evidence to the case.

What's funny is that I don't even necessarily disagree with his conclusion, just the way he was going about trying to argue it.

[Spaceman_Spiff]

I find it quite funny that just after the great mccorvic-Mosper debate there comes several other posters to provide evidence to the case.

Dargo, jubalix, Spaceman_Spiff all pondering the issue of bitcoin increasing value and adjusting their behaviour with the purpose of not losing bitcoins in this situation.

I am fully confident they are all just trolling and saying stuff they don't really mean.

Actually, I only read the last comment before replying.  I missed The Great M-M Debate of '13.  I totally meant what I said.

That being said, its possible that some people will think: I won't spend my bitcoins, they will be worth more in the future. But unless converting fiat to bitcoin and buying stuff with bitcoin subsequently is more expensive than buying it with fiat (thus, in absence of a better price with bitcoins), they are acting stupidly.  More experience in dealing with bitcoins will generally diminish stupid behavior (somewhat).