Are you comfortable with putting your ID online?

[biggbox]

I will only submit my ID if the website we are talking about is reputable and they are contactable and comply with KYC and AML laws.. They have to be responsible for our personal data.

[RodeoX]

NO, no I am not.
One of the reasons bitcoin is superior to other systems is the decoupling of identity and wealth. If you were to break into a typical Amazon account you could steal from that person. You would have their personal information and more importantly their credit card number, exp date and CSV number. That is all an attacker needs. If instead you broke into my Overstock.com account you could see some personal information and what I bought, but that is it. Because I only use bitcoin, there is no information that will allow you to take a Satoshi from me.
As far as I'm concerned the days of putting financial and personal information online are over forever.

[Barbut]

Identity theft/fraud is a big thing nowadays.

So just a question - Are you guys comfortable with going on sites and verifying your ID with you and legal proof? I'm personally not, because on the internet anything can happen.

Before bitcoin, I didn`t put my phone number and my real name on many places. With btc and different wallets, services, casinos.. I started to feel comfortable to do this kind of things. Of course before I do that, I try to inform my self as much as possible about site where I plan to verify with some legal proof. This forum is good for that, I can even say the best in that matter. Simply search about some service, and checking what other people think about that, their experience means a lot to me. Especially if people who comment have a good trust rating.
After that I think again is it good for me to do something like that. This kind of preparation is also good before depositing money on some site.

[jhenfelipe]

It is really uncomfortable to share personal information online. It is because Identity theft/fraud as OP have mentioned is a big thing nowadays. That's why we must be really careful in choosing the websites where we will give a copy of our ID or any other important document of ours.

[RodeoX]

I would add that our identities are not really the issue. Few attackers want our identities. They want our money!
Obtaining an identity is just a step in stealing money. If you use bitcoin then stealing your identity will not help the attacker get your coins.*


*well, ok maybe it is part of a sophisticated fishing attack or something. Never say never in the hacking community.

[philiveyjr]

NO, no I am not.
One of the reasons bitcoin is superior to other systems is the decoupling of identity and wealth. If you were to break into a typical Amazon account you could steal from that person. You would have their personal information and more importantly their credit card number, exp date and CSV number. That is all an attacker needs. If instead you broke into my Overstock.com account you could see some personal information and what I bought, but that is it. Because I only use bitcoin, there is no information that will allow you to take a Satoshi from me.
As far as I'm concerned the days of putting financial and personal information online are over forever.

But I believe a few exchanges would require your ID's because if they want to operate legally(which I am not sure of how many do), then they will need your ID to ensure there is no case of money laundering. This is actually the same for a lot of other online sites involving money(exchanges/ cards/gambling sites etc). How do you register for them without providing your ID if they block your account ?

[robinH]

Wouldn't advice you to, but unavoidable it seems

[Babayega31]

NO, no I am not.
One of the reasons bitcoin is superior to other systems is the decoupling of identity and wealth. If you were to break into a typical Amazon account you could steal from that person. You would have their personal information and more importantly their credit card number, exp date and CSV number. That is all an attacker needs. If instead you broke into my Overstock.com account you could see some personal information and what I bought, but that is it. Because I only use bitcoin, there is no information that will allow you to take a Satoshi from me.
As far as I'm concerned the days of putting financial and personal information online are over forever.

But I believe a few exchanges would require your ID's because if they want to operate legally(which I am not sure of how many do), then they will need your ID to ensure there is no case of money laundering. This is actually the same for a lot of other online sites involving money(exchanges/ cards/gambling sites etc). How do you register for them without providing your ID if they block your account ?

But surely we need to do some research if that exchanges is legit and registered in government so by that we cam really trust them but if the site that we dont know their credentials and asking for my id? Well big no to that i dont want tp have big problem in the future and better we stay away and lets be more carefull for our self in online world

[ardentvolcanoes]

actually no , especially to those website that is very popular or not actually known by the other people and it is very risky and uncomfortable to share your identity online because they will who you are and where you are living .

[teddy5145]

I would never upload my ID on internet, if the site got hacked then your ID including the others are going to spread to dark net

Unless, they keep the IDs at a cold storage, maybe put their HardDrive inside a safe, then and maybe I will upload my ID

and make sure they are legit services that actually requires ID by their government, If the government are not asking for it, No way Im gonna give my ID to the service

[philiveyjr]

But surely we need to do some research if that exchanges is legit and registered in government so by that we cam really trust them but if the site that we dont know their credentials and asking for my id? Well big no to that i dont want tp have big problem in the future and better we stay away and lets be more carefull for our self in online world

Thats a good way, but the problem is a lot of these sites, specially gambling ones, are registered in countries or places like Caracus, where anyone can get a license easily. And if you were to send them your ID, and the owners aren't honest, then there isn't much you can do about it.

[hasiramasenju]

i'm not comfortable to do so but if it necessary i would did it however i was already did it once for verify my account on local exchange because this is the main terms if i want to use my account for withdraw or deposit my money and after that i was never use my personal identity for any sites on internet

[camelson]

100% No, I read above that we can put our ids in big companies. Ill say No to them too because these big companies one day will scam you too and take your Ids too. Probably few site came into the market only for this purpose, to get the identities of people who are working in some field, and they invest alot alot for this purpose. At the backend they are probably started by survey companies or may be intelligence companies.

[samcoin]

My small answer is no , what if the site you put identity in was hacked ? The hackers can use your identity for their special purposes , we know how they sell identities on the dark internet . I feel  my identity is very special thing and  I won't upload it to any site even they give me a lot of money for that .

[newcoins1978]

My small answer is no , what if the site you put identity in was hacked ? The hackers can use your identity for their special purposes , we know how they sell identities on the dark internet . I feel  my identity is very special thing and  I won't upload it to any site even they give me a lot of money for that .

The most do not like it but we cannot help it, in some country's its also a must because of the governments..
I also do not like it because I think if it will be put in the wrong hands they have all our details.

[RodeoX]

NO, no I am not.
One of the reasons bitcoin is superior to other systems is the decoupling of identity and wealth. If you were to break into a typical Amazon account you could steal from that person. You would have their personal information and more importantly their credit card number, exp date and CSV number. That is all an attacker needs. If instead you broke into my Overstock.com account you could see some personal information and what I bought, but that is it. Because I only use bitcoin, there is no information that will allow you to take a Satoshi from me.
As far as I'm concerned the days of putting financial and personal information online are over forever.

But I believe a few exchanges would require your ID's because if they want to operate legally(which I am not sure of how many do), then they will need your ID to ensure there is no case of money laundering. This is actually the same for a lot of other online sites involving money(exchanges/ cards/gambling sites etc). How do you register for them without providing your ID if they block your account ?

But surely we need to do some research if that exchanges is legit and registered in government so by that we cam really trust them but if the site that we dont know their credentials and asking for my id? Well big no to that i dont want tp have big problem in the future and better we stay away and lets be more carefull for our self in online world

Good points both!
It is true that I am exposed at an exchange because they must receive and hold fiat until I buy. And there is the paradox of having to give your identity to meet the legal requirements for obtaining *anonymous money.  You could go with a shady exchange that does not do AML/KYC. However then you are putting your trust in criminals. I don't have a great solution for this. I try minimizing the time I keep a balance at an exchange. I send fiat, buy coins, then withdraw ASAP. When it comes to purchases I simply would not patronize most businesses that require my identity to buy something. Sometimes I have had to, for example when buying firearms, but most places I have bought from don't care who you are when paying with cash or bitcoin. I mean, they have been paid. What difference does it make who paid?

*I know, I know.

[philiveyjr]

NO, no I am not.
One of the reasons bitcoin is superior to other systems is the decoupling of identity and wealth. If you were to break into a typical Amazon account you could steal from that person. You would have their personal information and more importantly their credit card number, exp date and CSV number. That is all an attacker needs. If instead you broke into my Overstock.com account you could see some personal information and what I bought, but that is it. Because I only use bitcoin, there is no information that will allow you to take a Satoshi from me.
As far as I'm concerned the days of putting financial and personal information online are over forever.

But I believe a few exchanges would require your ID's because if they want to operate legally(which I am not sure of how many do), then they will need your ID to ensure there is no case of money laundering. This is actually the same for a lot of other online sites involving money(exchanges/ cards/gambling sites etc). How do you register for them without providing your ID if they block your account ?

But surely we need to do some research if that exchanges is legit and registered in government so by that we cam really trust them but if the site that we dont know their credentials and asking for my id? Well big no to that i dont want tp have big problem in the future and better we stay away and lets be more carefull for our self in online world

Good points both!
It is true that I am exposed at an exchange because they must receive and hold fiat until I buy. And there is the paradox of having to give your identity to meet the legal requirements for obtaining *anonymous money.  You could go with a shady exchange that does not do AML/KYC. However then you are putting your trust in criminals. I don't have a great solution for this. I try minimizing the time I keep a balance at an exchange. I send fiat, buy coins, then withdraw ASAP. When it comes to purchases I simply would not patronize most businesses that require my identity to buy something. Sometimes I have had to, for example when buying firearms, but most places I have bought from don't care who you are when paying with cash or bitcoin. I mean, they have been paid. What difference does it make who paid?

*I know, I know.

Actually here is a great solution suggested by some one on my other thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1515454.msg15253358#msg15253358  . This way you can prevent your ID to be misused, but it would still compromise your personal information.

[RodeoX]

NO, no I am not.
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But I believe a few exchanges would require your ID's because...

But surely we need to do some research if ...

Good points both!
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Actually here is a great solution suggested by some one on my other thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1515454.msg15253358#msg15253358  . This way you can prevent your ID to be misused, but it would still compromise your personal information.

Oh watermarking. Sure why not. In fact going to full "sego" (steganography) likely would not even be noticed. I like it!

[philiveyjr]

Oh watermarking. Sure why not. In fact going to full "sego" (steganography) likely would not even be noticed. I like it!

If by steganography, you mean just a small mark so you know which site it went to , then it sort of is pointless, as a reuse won't be noticed, and you cant prove a leak. A watermark will basically not allow a different business to accept the ID.

[RodeoX]

Oh watermarking. Sure why not. In fact going to full "sego" (steganography) likely would not even be noticed. I like it!

If by steganography, you mean just a small mark so you know which site it went to , then it sort of is pointless, as a reuse won't be noticed, and you cant prove a leak. A watermark will basically not allow a different business to accept the ID.

I'm trying to honeypot that F#@^er !  

Or maybe do both in case he/she has any photoshop skilz?

EDIT: Here is an explanation for Linux users. Every user should at least know how.
https://www.unixmen.com/steganography-in-ubuntu-hide-your-files-inside-an-image/